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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:13:16 PM

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I just belive that people should explore what they want, not how it fits in with society's lables.

I think hetero, bi, and homo should be abolished.
They're redundant.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:16:18 PM

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Nice fantasy-but how will you deal with the reality?

I'd like to see criminals and stupid people dissapear from the face of the earth too. Shall I hold my breath, waiting for it to come true?

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:16:43 PM

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I think that some people are forgetting the tolerance REALLY means "I can accept different versions of the same views as correct"

I don't have to accept anyone's version of anything if I feel it is untrue or useless info for me. These boards are not only for group hugs and those who love each other and agree at all times. I do tend to distinguish self from folks like you in that even though I disagre with you frequently, and can think of many negative adjectives with which to describe angry folks, I control myself, and refrain from that.

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Rather than "Being tolerant means you must agree with MY personal views." (We refer to this as being "sychophantic", rather than tolerant)

I saw your name right after mine, and decided to umblock you just to see if you were still obsessed with me, and sure enough, lol.
I LOVE YOU AND CAN TOLERATE YOU JUSTATOP, you seem to care so much about me, my psyche, and that of people with whom I agree.
Hugs and kisses.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:18:24 PM

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Reality?

I will choose not to lable mysefl, and hold myself in to any specific shape.
Where it all takes me is where I will go.
And I will not waste my time trying to define everything around me. I choose to enjoy, not question.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:18:29 PM

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I'm obsessed with you?

What strange planet did I wake up on this morning?

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:19:57 PM

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This is becoming rather rudundant, I will agree that you feel the way you do.

Enough said, futility rules.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:24:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

This is becoming rather rudundant, I will agree that you feel the way you do.

Enough said, futility rules.

Oh lordy lordy, how he hath spoken *rolls eyes*

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:26:55 PM

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....I have ceased to try and define my sexuality, because during my search for where it is that I fit in, I've realized that we are all just sexual creatures hung up on useless lables.

What we engage in sexually should not dictate our sexual orientation.
If sexual orientation even exists.

"Sexual orientation" is actually a fairly recent invention in our cultural history (late 1900s). Before that there were simply sex acts with either the same sex or opposite sexes and those acts in themselves did not define a person. In many cultures homosexual acts have been seen as a vice, like drinking or smoking. One would certainly have to drink or smoke more than a few times in order to be called a "drinker" or a "smoker". The same was once true of same-sex behaviors and "bisexual" wasn't even a concept. Nowadays any sexual contact with same sex makes you either "gay" or "bi". I have no objections to the current usage except that as with any labels we shouldn't try to force every single case into one neat category when the individual might just not fit well into any existing label.

It's really best to let people label themselves and not force a label onto them which they do not feel applies. The same is true for labels like "Dom", "sub", "Master", "slave", etc. It's perhaps a bit presumptious to tell someone they can't use a particular one of those labels because they don't meet a certain qualification, but it's outright hubris to tell someone they have to use one of those titles because you feel it applies. Sexual orientation shouldn't be any different.

The Kinsey's made a scale from 0-5 (or was it 7?) where people are rated on homosexuality. They objectively quantified each number and asserted that very few people are 0's or 5's.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:27:34 PM

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At least,I know when to quit-be well guy.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:30:05 PM

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There are many, many threads on this site pertaining to dangerous forms of play. This should be at the top of the list. I for one, have no desire now, have never, and believe it is unlikely that I ever will want to have sex with another man. For some dommes, who love edge paly, there can be scenes where he/she could render the sub/slave incapable of resisting through bondage and other means. I can see where a domme could if she desires, place a man in inescapable and severe bondage, use an "O" ring gag, and then have a man enter the sub's mouth with his penis. Although the sub may not do anything to further arouse the preditor, the after effects could be disasterous.

Um, what happened to consentuality? Even in seemingly 'forced' situations (as what people are talking about here), there is consent at the core.
Sounds like the 'cases' you keep referring to are about rape and abuse, especially by your use of the word predator.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:34:58 PM

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Kasia,

Guess I should have read the thread completely before posting my former comment. You expressed what I was thinking quite well.

Thanks,
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Are you talking about plain rape? If you are, I find it odd putting it in front of people who always point consensuality as a must in whatever they do.

If you are saying that mature and relatively sane male subs are so fragile that they are going to willingly try something and then "flip" and kill themselves - excuse me but I simply dont believe that. Please do quote that "hundreds of case studies".

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:37:04 PM

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At least,I know when to quit-be well guy.

Well I'm glad that the people responsible for trying to abolish racism didnt share your desire to quit.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:40:10 PM

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I DO know when to quit encouraging drama-you're blocked.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:48:34 PM

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lol. I shall weep, no doubt.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:54:54 PM

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Karbon,
By any logical definition, or explaination, if you enjoy having sex with a woman, and also enjoy having a man's dick stuck in your mouth or up your ass, you're bi-sexual. Your rude comments and denying your sexuality, or more to the point trying to defend it, is actually meaningless to most of us that are able to form an opinion. I would suggest that both you and Iron Bear meet somewhere that is mutually acceptable, and start a mutual admiration society. I like the fact that you accuse me of trolling. personally, I don't care if you suck every dick in Canada, and one small one in Australia. Your friend, as I'm sure many here have figured has an authotative opinion on every subject. I don't need to feed his ego, and I surely don't need to respond to any more of your inane garbage. Have fun doing what you enjoy doing, but please don't attempt to villify it to us here. As I will won't respond to him on any subject again, I now won't try to explain logic to you. Case closed.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 2:58:39 PM

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I guess Kasia should have read it through too. Nowhere did I say, imply, or mention the key word here. Willingly.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 3:02:04 PM

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Karbon,
By any logical definition, or explaination, if you enjoy having sex with a woman, and also enjoy having a man's dick stuck in your mouth or up your ass, you're bi-sexual. Your rude comments and denying your sexuality, or more to the point trying to defend it, is actually meaningless to most of us that are able to form an opinion. I would suggest that both you and Iron Bear meet somewhere that is mutually acceptable, and start a mutual admiration society. I like the fact that you accuse me of trolling. personally, I don't care if you suck every dick in Canada, and one small one in Australia. Your friend, as I'm sure many here have figured has an authotative opinion on every subject. I don't need to feed his ego, and I surely don't need to respond to any more of your inane garbage. Have fun doing what you enjoy doing, but please don't attempt to villify it to us here. As I will won't respond to him on any subject again, I now won't try to explain logic to you. Case closed.

lol, so much for blocking me.

I dont understand why you are lashing out at us. Accusing me of denying my sexuality which is way off from what I was saying (I apologize that you havnt realized that yet), and attacking the size of my friend's penis (which is a total cop out when you dont have a decent argument).
Sure you can call me rude, but I think you need to re-read some of the things you've posted in this thread, instead of focusing on my "inane garbage".

Oh and please stop acting like you're the good guy and we're the bad guys, there is not good or bad, this is just a debate. You really should relax, you're not getting any younger.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 3:08:06 PM

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Settle down kids...

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 3:11:14 PM

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By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion.

IMO, when people judge & label others, its very often more of a reflection on themselves than on the object of their judgement.

Consider that in vanilla/redneck society, a LOT of femdom activities would be cause for labelling.
Want to be forced into panties? Your GAY.
Want to have your mouth fucked by stilleto heel? Your GAY.
Want to be tied up and fucked in the ass by a strap-on cock? Your GAY.

So, realsummissive, since you listed forced crossdressing in your profile, by many people's standards, you are simply GAY. Get used to it.

And there is the problem with black and white thinking - it often defies a reality that is much more complex and/or subtle. But hey, its easier not to have to think about things.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 3:11:18 PM

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