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ORIGINAL: alwaysUnderYou

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion.

IMO, when people judge & label others, its very often more of a reflection on themselves than on the object of their judgement.

Consider that in vanilla/redneck society, a LOT of femdom activities would be cause for labelling.
Want to be forced into panties? Your GAY.
Want to have your mouth fucked by stilleto heel? Your GAY.
Want to be tied up and fucked in the ass by a strap-on cock? Your GAY.

So, realsummissive, since you listed forced crossdressing in your profile, by many people's standards, you are simply GAY. Get used to it.

And there is the problem with black and white thinking - it often defies a reality that is much more complex and/or subtle. But hey, its easier not to have to think about things.

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

I guess Kasia should have read it through too. Nowhere did I say, imply, or mention the key word here. Willingly.

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorSeven
Remember that everyone has the right to their own perspective and opinion. It is considered against the TOS to attack someone for their personal opinions.

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ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorSeven
Remember that everyone has the right to their own perspective and opinion. It is considered against the TOS to attack someone for their personal opinions.

Thank you, ModeratorSeven.

When I started this thread, I wanted to hear differing viewpoints ON the topic. It started out well, and quickly turned bad when several posters decided not to accept the choices/opinions of others.

I would hope that everyone would agree that we are all entitled to respectfully voice how we feel on the topic. The redundancy here, in trying to force others to believe how one feels is nonproductive and turning into a soap opera of attacks.

Would be nice if folks could state their own opinion, and not always try to change other's, or demand that others conform to their way of thinking.

No one opinion is right thinking, as I see it, and bashing folks for their view is unproductive, although (I hate to admit it) occasionally entertaining.

Eye opening, on many levels, to say the least.

K

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

Definition aside, there can be, and would be serious ramifications involed in what many state as "forced" bi-sexuality. If a dominant female were to require a submissive to have sex with another man for her pleasure, the end result could be that the sub finds it so humiliating that he takes drastic measures. I can quote hundreds of case studies where after having a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex, a person found it so disgusting, and revolting that they ended their life. Unfortunately, the after feelings can only be experienced after the fact.

There are many, many threads on this site pertaining to dangerous forms of play. This should be at the top of the list. I for one, have no desire now, have never, and believe it is unlikely that I ever will want to have sex with another man. For some dommes, who love edge paly, there can be scenes where he/she could render the sub/slave incapable of resisting through bondage and other means. I can see where a domme could if she desires, place a man in inescapable and severe bondage, use an "O" ring gag, and then have a man enter the sub's mouth with his penis. Although the sub may not do anything to further arouse the preditor, the after effects could be disasterous.

For those of you that do not have a problem with this form of play, I can see where it may be very erotic, but for those that would be repulsed, it may not be a good idea to go there. That's why open and honest communication is essential.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
I think one of the most benificial aspects of the CM Forums is the diversity of opinions posted. I do feel however that when some one posts a professional View, that it is reasonable to expect that to be supported with some form os explanation of qualifications. We have a good many people here who have professional backgrounds and this just adds to the value of their opinions.... By and large, I find that the advise and help offered here is excelent.

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ORIGINAL: lord_of_Z

I think if you see a cock in yer face and you get turned on to the point of an erection, yer bi. men have to be turned on to get hard , can't fake that and so what if you are bi. in the life style we live in , no one will judge you anyway. I have had my cock sucked by another man at the request of my girlfriend and I enjoyed it but never had the inclination to suck one, is that weird or what?

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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

You should listen to the mods realsubmissive.

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive
The only perfectly sensable statements on this thread were posted by the Mod.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
(from a Grizzly who has never stated he did Deep Sea Diving for profit ~ If you were as claustrophobic as I am you'd understand why......

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

I guess the next logical question in the order of this logic would be: How many times would one have to sleep with another man before he would be classified as gay. How many times would a woman have to have conventional sex with a man, and make love to another woman before she would be classified as lesbian, and how many times would one have to have sexual relations and enjoy them before they would be classified as bi-sexual. Anyone has the right to call themselves what they wish. That's fine. The original question posted here was "isn't someone seeking bisexual experience....bi-sexual? The textbook answer as well as the clinical answer is yes. Then everything got out of hand. If someone is forced, which means against their will, to have an encounter with the same sex, that doesn't make them bi-sexual, or gay. Karbon stated that he routinely has sex with other men, and that does make him bi-sexual if for no other reason he isn't being "forced". It was a simple answer to a simple question. Next, we get the ones that have to know one's credentails if they give a professional opinion. I don't usually talk about anything personal in my life on here, but I made an exception, which I may regret. I'll have nobody to blame but myself. The only perfectly sensable statements on this thread were posted by the Mod.

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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy
Ironbear: You're right, ignorance is not worth my time, thats why I live in Canada.

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Seriously though...isn't someone seeking bisexual experience...bisexual????

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"Veni, vidi, vici. (I came, I saw, I conquered.)"

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