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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
It would be...with apologies...like beth, now that Merc has put so much time and effort into helping beth in her transformation from what she was before she met Merc into what she has become---a transformation desired by both--- through hours of hard work and guidance and nurturing and teaching (that would be shaping and molding and training) , taking herself from Merc and giving herself to someone richer and better-looking.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

beth......huh?????

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
erin,
beth will respond in a moment. In the meantime, consider how animated and angry people get over labels. Something so inconsequential as the submissive/slave debate. What the hell difference would it make if you (not you personally, the collective 'you') were confident with yourself, your self identity, and who you are? The label, and the perception of identity that goes along with it must be important. People will defend it and be personally insulted when challenged, or asked to explain how their actions, and activities are contrary to the generally accepted definitions. The point being - no challenge should matter, unless the label is all you have.

Now - back to beth, who in a few minutes needs to have her foot 'shaped and molded' by the Doctor.

this slave has noticed that for some, the label "Dom/Master" or "sub/slave" IS their kink, and has nothing to do with actually submitting to another's control or authority or exerting dominance over another individual, or their life.
 
not that there is anything wrong with that.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
It would be...with apologies...like beth, now that Merc has put so much time and effort into helping beth in her transformation from what she was before she met Merc into what she has become---a transformation desired by both--- through hours of hard work and guidance and nurturing and teaching (that would be shaping and molding and training) , taking herself from Merc and giving herself to someone richer and better-looking.

CD,
Richer sure - but "better-looking"? How is that possible!

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ORIGINAL: StormsSlave

Mr. Rabbit,

I agree with you in a sense.  If a woman turns herself over to a man as his slave, that's exactly what she did.  I just wonder about the brain of a man who looks at a beautiful woman they desire and instead of saying, "I want to be with that beautiful creature," says, "I want to fix that one up and make her more perfect."  I just don't get it.  However, having had a series of relationships where my partner wanted to "mold me" I ended up leaving because I can never be what anyone else wants me to be.

On the flip side of that, there are a number of areas where I am "willing" toward MyLord, including "dressing up" for him.  I try to always be touchable, clean, soft, and try very hard not to wear things he hates.  This is not a requirement, just my plan to please him.  He asked me to grow my hair long, I am complying, but it was a request, not a command.  He comments that he likes my legs in that dress, I wear that dress again.   However, I don't believe this is a d/s thing as much as a "womanly wiles" thing, imho.

We do encourage one anothers growth and education, as well as "calling each other on it" when we screw up, but it's more a collective effort of making Us better, and less an effort to make ME better.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
erin,
beth will respond in a moment. In the meantime, consider how animated and angry people get over labels. Something so inconsequential as the submissive/slave debate. What the hell difference would it make if you (not you personally, the collective 'you') were confident with yourself, your self identity, and who you are? The label, and the perception of identity that goes along with it must be important. People will defend it and be personally insulted when challenged, or asked to explain how their actions, and activities are contrary to the generally accepted definitions. The point being - no challenge should matter, unless the label is all you have.

Now - back to beth, who in a few minutes needs to have her foot 'shaped and molded' by the Doctor.

this slave has noticed that for some, the label "Dom/Master" or "sub/slave" IS their kink, and has nothing to do with actually submitting to another's control or authority or exerting dominance over another individual, or their life.
 
not that there is anything wrong with that.

Thank you for clarifying. I really did not understand your post beth...it kind of sounded like an over-generalization along the lines of the "One true way"....and that is sooooooo not like anything I have ever seen from you so that is why I asked. I do have to agree with what you have both said.

Edited to add....Hugs and good luck with your foot....hope it goes well.

more power to them.

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ORIGINAL: cirigon

Being shaped and molded is merely a dream for me, that someday someone will observe my potential and capacity for slavery [I dream of this, I truly do.] and recreate me as they see fit.

All is done in love, what else is there?

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: cirigon

Being shaped and molded is merely a dream for me, that someday someone will observe my potential and capacity for slavery [I dream of this, I truly do.] and recreate me as they see fit.

All is done in love, what else is there?

if it is done in love..then it is perfect. That makes shaped and molded sound a lott better.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Life is a game of wheels within wheels within wheels..and nothing is ever as simple as it might seem.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
obviously subs sign up for different reasons, one of them being they like the sound of the label.  it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation, their preferred relationship orientation, their innate talents, abilities, personality, spirituality, experience, prior training or working dynamics of the relationship they are in.
 they agree to the label, and expect an egalitarian relationship, where they will dictate and negotiate terms and don't need to change a thing about themselves, their behaviors or how they spend their time.  their counterpart also agrees to their label, and attaches the complimentary label to themselves, with the expectation that it will be an egalitarian relationship as well.
 everbody's happy...no harm, no foul.

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ORIGINAL: cirigon
Being shaped and molded is merely a dream for me, that someday someone will observe my potential and capacity for slavery [I dream of this, I truly do.] and recreate me as they see fit.
All is done in love, what else is there?

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

And what seperates the girls from the women, is when they run when you ask them if they are "useful".
 
 And not just for sex.