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Leatherist -> RE: Shaping and Molding (5/23/2008 8:51:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

And what seperates the girls from the women, is when they run when you ask them if they are "useful".
 
 And not just for sex. [:D]

That's a whole other thread... but yeah, there are a lot of "submissives" who seem to think any expectation of being useful is unfair and harsh.  It'd be amusing if it weren't so common.


We ALL know that work is a four letter word, and terribly abusive. [:D]



StormsSlave -> RE: Shaping and Molding (5/23/2008 7:56:02 PM)

I posted a quick, glib response previously, cause I was doing a drive-by.  I spent a great deal of time considering this matter, attempting to keep my heart and mind open as much as I am able to do so.

I don't mean to try to impose my thoughts on others.  To each their own, and I don't judge; I'm not qualified.  *I* can only speak for me, and I admit that *I* don't understand.  I am trying, however, so here's what I came up with.

I expressed to My Lord that it is my wish to further my education because I feel that it would increase me as a person and as an income maker.  My Lord's response was, "Let's make that happen, then, Baby."  So, together, we have begun the process of finding a way for me to go back to school.  This was expressed to him as my desire to improve myself, and he will take the reigns in helping make decisions, find resources, and weed out bad ideas.  He will help me better myself, but because it is my desire to do so, and his desire to make me smile.

If, on the other hand, he were to turn to me one day and say to me that he would like to experiment with shaping and molding me, I hope that I would be receptive enough toward him in my trust and devotion that I would at least hear him out.  I would be shocked, since we have discussed this and he's told me why fix what ain't broken.  I do trust him, so I would have to believe that he had the best interests of Us in mind.  I don't know what my decision would be, but I am resolved to keep an open mind about most things.

Mr. Rabbit--To expound, since I was being a sarcastic bitch.  I'm not sure if I've offended you somewhere along the line so much that agreeing with you causes you to not hear me.  (I have in my head a picture of my UM with her hands over her ears going, "La la la, I can't hear you." )

If you have a bone, may I respectfully request you adress me with it on the other side?  I would be more than happy to hear what you have to say, but I don't choose to hijack someone else's thread to discuss the matter.  If you're just being your usual self, I'll take no offense, and get on with my day.  I'd actually like to hear what you have to say.  I think I could learn from you.

Cheers.
edited for spelling



SlaveSubtoserve -> RE: Shaping and Molding (7/2/2008 11:54:34 AM)

for this s. it means She gets hold of my natural submissiveness to Her and through Her rewards and punishments shapes me into the slave She wants- doesn't change my essential self, but just reworks it to Her liking and loving---  using deconstruction approaches such as objectification, etc.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Shaping and Molding (7/2/2008 12:27:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

Ok, I'm really interesting in hearing from both sides of a coin on this one.

For submissive/slave types;
"What does being shaped and molded actually mean to you personally"

For all the Dom/mes out there;
"What does shaping and molding somebody mean to you on a personal level"


For me, it means bringing a submissive individual to the point where we reach common ground about how I want to be served, and how xhe wants to provide service. It is more of a refining of the aspects that are already in place -- polishing the gem that is already what it is... to make it more shiny and improve its value in -my- eyes.

I don't think that there is any value in trying to force someone to be what they are not. It is always interesting to explore new things with someone who hasn't experienced them before, and that's not what I'm talking about -- what I'm talking about is the idea that you can take a person who has experience in the kitchen, has experienced the concept of cooking for someone xhe loves, knows -how- to cook, and hates doing it passionately, and turn them into someone who -adores- cooking just because the Owner says so. My preference is to take someone who already loves to cook, and make it that much more rewarding for them, because they know that I have exquisite taste and they know that they are capable of meeting the desires of my palate in the kitchen -- it elevates them, and brings me joy... and it molds them into a tool that I have obtained to cook for me in the manner that I prefer.

In the same way, I wouldn't try to force someone who is afraid of fire to join me in all-out fireplay -- and if fire was a hard limit, you can bet molding and shaping wouldn't include trying to manipulate hir into a fire scene -- but if I had someone who was inexperienced but curious and turned out to be more interested with each exposure, well, a little molding here... a little shaping there... a little glass-blowing on this end... and you have a great fireplay toy...

Shaping and molding, to me, are more like ..refining. Sometimes, the gap between what we -want- and what a submissive individual can -provide- is just -way- too large... there are those who would try to force that gap closed by manipulating the submissive individual into all kinds of mental, emotional, and physical contortions--but many times, the submissive individual can be broken in the process (or the dominant individual becomes so frustrated that they just ditch the whole process and leave the submissive individual hanging). How much better to start with something close to what you want, and gradually shape, refine, and mold to develop into exactly what you want.

Of course, some folks prefer a sledge hammer to a polishing cloth -- more power to 'em... It's the friction between aspects that makes good heat (or lots of hot air, anyway~!)

Firestorm



SurrenderForMe -> RE: Shaping and Molding (7/2/2008 11:19:46 PM)

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For all the Dom/mes out there;
"What does shaping and molding somebody mean to you on a personal level"


Another freaking item on the list of things I have to define in context and decide on its meaning.



Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Shaping and Molding (7/3/2008 12:31:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SurrenderForMe

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For all the Dom/mes out there;
"What does shaping and molding somebody mean to you on a personal level"

Another freaking item on the list of things I have to define in context and decide on its meaning.

It's a bitch too, ain't it?   






MasterFireMaam -> RE: Shaping and Molding (7/3/2008 2:51:10 AM)

It's not up to me to shape and mold my slaves, nor it is up to anyone to shape and mold me. What IS up to me is the kind of atmosphere I provide so that we can all shape and mold ourselves as we become more self aware.

Master Fire



HalloweenWhite -> RE: Shaping and Molding (7/3/2008 3:29:23 AM)

As a Dom. I see it simply as training You do with Your Submissive/slave.



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