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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:27:41 AM   
DomAviator


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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi



Save the word games... you tried to equate homelessness with not being a legal resident for voting purposes...


And you can pour all the syrup you want on that pile, it still isn't going to turn it into pancakes.... there is no legal mandate that 'the homeless' cannot vote, no matter how badly you may want to stop them.


Sure we stop them. Exactly where are their voter registration cards mailed to? "Third Park Bench On Left"? LOL  They need to register with an ADDRESS at least 30 days prior to the election. "Under the bridge in the old refrigerator box" doesnt cut it with the postal service or the board of elections...

Furthermore - NOBODY has answered this question.... Without ID, exactly HOW do we stop the democrats from printing the voter rolls and busing in dregs to say they are me and cast my McCain vote for Banannarama? Hmmmmm? Am I not "disenfranchised" if I get to the poll and they say Mr. ________ you already voted! Assuming that even then I show ID and they let me vote anyway - who do they take the vote away from? At best, even if they let me vote again after mine was stolen, it will have been cancelled out! This can all be avoided by SHOWING ID. If people dont have it, fuck them...

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:30:00 AM   
Alumbrado


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  General Delivery is a great choice for you if carrier service or a PO Box is not an option. Your mail will be held at your Main Post Office for up to 30 days and can be conveniently picked up at any retail window. This is also a great option if you don’t have a permanent address. To find your Main Post Office, please contact your local Postmaster.



http://www.usps.com/receive/choicesfordelivery/receivemailinotherplaces.htm


And since I've said that I think the requirement to ensure that only elegible voters actually vote is Constitutional and workable against voter fraud, and since the question that no one is answering is my question, you pretending I'm defending something  that I didn't is as disingenuous as your claim that it is illegal to ever be without any ID.

What's so hard about sticking to facts to support something?

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:33:08 AM   
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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:37:24 AM   
Alumbrado


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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:40:29 AM   
slaveboyforyou


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Who is Banannarama?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n6chxpEINs

This must be it, because he certainly wouldn't making a racial slur about Obama.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:42:06 AM   
DomAviator


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If you do not have a Texas driver's license or a social security number, you will be required to present identification when you vote in person or enclose a copy of such identification with your ballot if you vote by mail. Instead, you may enclose a copy of one of the following with this voter registration application. Identification includes: a current and valid ID; a copy of a current utility bill; bank statement; government check; paycheck; or other government document
that shows your name and address.
 
Oh how unreasonable LOL However, it certasinly seems to put out the homeless....

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:42:44 AM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Yeah,I`ll ask Dick,next time I run into him.lol

Wow ,I anticipated see`n those colored link thingies.

But alas,there are as many links as there is integrity in your posts.

I`ve seen you argue both sides before.Maybe you`re bored or like stirring the pot or whatever.lol  

And,you want to play all outraged and stuff when you`re called on it?

lol


Project much?


You don't have to provide links to your claims that voter fraud in Chicago is a nonexistent urban myth, or that the history books detailing the Holocaust are 'BS and vile propaganda' or that someone must hold a private pilots license to join the military to fly....

But my referencing a well known fact and a well known book is being 'called? 



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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:48:23 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		 Many use a church , the Salvation Army or similar outfit for mailings and other needs.Many use a family member or friend`s address for mailing.Some people will get a PO box or a private mail-box service.

Many many homeless,are not bums(many of whom are veterans,btw,a fucking shame)living lavishly under a bridge.

Many many homeless are families.Elderly people who`ve run out of luck,people who actually have a job but not enough income to have their own place,people who have gotten sick and lost their home,etc,etc,etc.

It`s no fun ride.And these folks,b/c of there circumstances,shouldn`t lose their chance to vote and be counted.

Everyone has a vote.One vote,if they wish to cast it.It`s nobody`s business meddling or interfering with it or someone making their vote.

If you have a compelling reason why more restrictions should be placed on voters,let`s hear it.

Preventing a non-existing problem, is not a reason.

Would you take a vaccine for a bug that didn`t exist,just b/c someone(a do-gooder) wants to prevent that non-existing bug from possibly infecting you?

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:50:51 AM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/vr17.pdf


If you do not have a Texas driver's license or a social security number, you will be required to present identification when you vote in person or enclose a copy of such identification with your ballot if you vote by mail. Instead, you may enclose a copy of one of the following with this voter registration application. Identification includes: a current and valid ID; a copy of a current utility bill; bank statement; government check; paycheck; or other government document
that shows your name and address.
 
Oh how unreasonable LOL However, it certasinly seems to put out the homeless....


Getting desperate?  First you cited a law that you claimed made it a crime to be without ID at any time, and it turned out to say something else entirely, then you made the false claim that one had to have an domicile to get a voter registration sent to them... now you claim that a list of things accepted as ID means that no one can vote without having a home?

And you are still non-responsive on support for your claim that vagrancy and lack of money are a legal bar to voting.

Add to that the high school level debate tricks of straw arguments, and I have to ask if you are just having fun spouting nonsense to twit people?
Say so, and I won't waste my time bothering you with any more requests for facts.


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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:51:05 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		It's important to make sure there's no confusion over what people mean. I wouldn't want to draw the wrong conclusion, which is something you seem to indulge in quite regularly. As far as I'm concerned, that particular matter's closed: I completely understand now that there was a joke made about an eighties pop band competing for the presidential election.  


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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:54:48 AM   
Owner59


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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Ahhh, the infamous KittinSol  'Look at Me!!!' non sequitur derail... I wondered when you were going to ge tired of seeing others engage in relevant discourse and start up.



Wow,lol talk about a "look at me " moment.lol


~be the reed that bends to the wind........shhhhhh........~

lol

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 11:55:14 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Voting is our right,our birthright and part of what makes up our liberties and freedoms. It was there and established long before any of us breathed air.


Prima facie - WRONG

Voting rights can, and are revoked if there is a felony conviction.
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Today, all mentally competent adults have the right to vote with only one exception: convicted criminal offenders. In forty-six states and the District of Columbia, criminal disenfranchisement laws deny the vote to all convicted adults in prison. Thirty-two states also disenfranchise felons on parole; twenty-nine disenfranchise those on probation. And, due to laws that may be unique in the world, in fourteen states even ex-offenders who have fully served their sentences remain barred for life from voting.
  • An estimated 3.9 million Americans, or one in fifty adults, have currently or permanently lost the ability to vote because of a felony conviction.
  • 1.4 million persons disenfranchised for a felony conviction are ex-offenders who have completed their criminal sentence. Another 1.4 million of the disenfranchised are on probation or parole. 
  • 1.4 million African American men, or 13 percent of the black adult male population, are disenfranchised, reflecting a rate of disenfranchisement that is seven times the national average. More than one-third (36 percent) of the total disenfranchised population are black men.
  • Ten states disenfranchise more than one in five adult black men; in seven of these states, one in four black men is permanently disenfranchised.
  • Given current rates of incarceration, three in ten of the next generation of black men will be disenfranchised at some point in their lifetime. In states with the most restrictive voting laws, 40 percent of African American men are likely to be permanently disenfranchised.

Source: http://www.hrw.org/reports98/vote/usvot98o.htm 
Keep in mind - I didn't do a lot or research for this and that is a 1998 reference - I doubt the current numbers are lower.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:00:53 PM   
Owner59


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Merc,you know what we`re talking about here......

You get points for effort, though.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:01:26 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's important to make sure there's no confusion over what people mean. I wouldn't want to draw the wrong conclusion, which is something you seem to indulge in quite regularly. As far as I'm concerned, that particular matter's closed: I completely understand now that there was a joke made about an eighties pop band competing for the presidential election.  



It isn't closed until you show where you got the idea that I made such a joke...otherwise it is just you hopping on Owner's bandwagon to distract from his inability to back up his assertions.  And doing so when such haters have been backed into a corner seems to be a regular habit of yours.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:05:24 PM   
Owner59


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~shhhhhhh~


lol

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:06:32 PM   
orfunboi


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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi



Save the word games... you tried to equate homelessness with not being a legal resident for voting purposes...


And you can pour all the syrup you want on that pile, it still isn't going to turn it into pancakes.... there is no legal mandate that 'the homeless' cannot vote, no matter how badly you may want to stop them.


I never mentioned homeless. Someone said you didn't have to be a resident to vote, and I pointed out that you did. As far as the homeless go, I was homeless and I still needed ID. In fact I needed ID more often then, than I do now. I guess it was lucky that the agencies were and are there to help me get that ID.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:06:48 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Ahhh, the infamous KittinSol  'Look at Me!!!' non sequitur derail... I wondered when you were going to ge tired of seeing others engage in relevant discourse and start up.



Wow,lol talk about a "look at me " moment.lol


~be the reed that bends to the wind........shhhhhh........~

lol



Saved by the derail, hmmm?

OK, let's look at you instead... starting with your holocaust history is vile BS claim you've been avoiding explaining for quite some time, up through your last two bogus claims.

Or you could just admit that you are here to hijack as many threads as you can in the promotion of polemic zealotry, and that anyone who questions that is going to always be on the opposite side from you.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:15:03 PM   
Alumbrado


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I never mentioned homeless. Someone said you didn't have to be a resident to vote, and I pointed out that you did. As far as the homeless go, I was homeless and I still needed ID. In fact I needed ID more often then, than I do now. I guess it was lucky that the agencies were and are there to help me get that ID.




DA's claim,

"Homeless people dont need to vote - they dont have a residence in the precinct / district / etc... RESIDENCY is a requirement for voting."

KS's rebuttal:

"Wrong. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781452.html The great majority of states have no durational residency requirements. Since when did the Constitution introduce the idea that voting rights were to be means tested? "

You claimed that "from the above article.

"Note, for all states, in order to register to vote, an applicant must be a U.S. citizen, a legal resident of the state, and 18 years old on or before election day."


Legal residency for voting purposes is not dependent on not being homeless.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:20:00 PM   
Owner59


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ORIGINAL: orfunboi

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi



Save the word games... you tried to equate homelessness with not being a legal resident for voting purposes...


And you can pour all the syrup you want on that pile, it still isn't going to turn it into pancakes.... there is no legal mandate that 'the homeless' cannot vote, no matter how badly you may want to stop them.


I never mentioned homeless. Someone said you didn't have to be a resident to vote, and I pointed out that you did. As far as the homeless go, I was homeless and I still needed ID. In fact I needed ID more often then, than I do now. I guess it was lucky that the agencies were and are there to help me get that ID.


Define "resident".

Many ~US citizens~ ,vote from abroad by absentee ballot.

"I was homeless and I still needed ID. In fact I needed ID more often then, than I do now. I guess it was lucky that the agencies were and are there to help me get that ID."

This is the whole point of tying voting  to a required~state issued, photo ID~.


To knock out voters from demographics, that primarily vote democratic.



To make it harder for those people to vote.If republicans suffered under these law,it never would have been brought up.

This is just one part of an overall dirty tricks effort by republicans to gain or hold power.

Running on the merrits or issues that  matter to people, is not their forte.

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Notice how republicans aren`t keen on election fraud?

Probably because of all the republicans in jailed,prosecuted,busted for it.

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RE: Partisan voter supression law gets vetoed by Kansas... - 5/22/2008 12:26:08 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		BTW for all those citing a "right to vote for president" find it for me please where the constitution recognizes it?
It does not exist anywhere in the US Constitution. According to the US Constitution WY could determine that their electors will be selected by dropping  3 cow pies out of an aircraft and the three people they landed nearest to will cast the electoral votes for president.

So for all the hue and cry about there being a constitutional right to vote, I say CITE.
Because I'm contending that there is no such right enumerated in the US Constitution.
The only thing the US Constitution says is that the states shall when they recognize the right to vote not discriminate based on ABCDEFG.

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