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FullCircle -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:39:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight Why would they make them homegrown. Who is going to believe that a bunch of rednecks from Arkansas or Alabama got their hands on a nuke? Where did the French get the nuclear weapon from? quote: What others read into something is not always what is there. I remember a story about a college professor who was teaching about the symbolism in one of Robert Frost's poems. One of the students wrote to Mr Frost to see if the poet would explain it in a way that he could understand. Mr Frost traveled to the college to inform the professor in front of all of his students that the stated symbolism was not there nor had it ever been intended and that the student who had written him had seen it for what it was.... a pretty poem. When I read poetry at school the teachers would insist they knew exactly what the intent of each word meant as if there was only one correct interpretation. Obviously I always knew this was rubbish but no one could ask D H Lawrence what the poem meant so they largely got away with it. Even if you could ask D H Lawrence he'd never tell you what his writing meant, it's for each individual to find their own meaning in it. That's why it is amusing when you see a poet being all coy about a meaning to his work because maybe you see something quite clever he never actually intended. This is why it is important to try to not produce material that can be interpreted in a negative way. The fact I've found this meaning proves either the writers of this film aren’t being careful enough or may even be encouraging misinterpretation that they can laugh off when asked directly but really intend the dark meaning to be discovered by others. No one can say for sure hence the problem.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:45:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle You'll find the majority of Russian's wouldn't change what happened in 1990, it made a lot of Russian's super rich and a lot of them poor. The rich Russians are the ones you hear complaining about the Indiana Jones film. To say these people have an inferiority complex is stretching belief just a little considering they have the financial clout to buy out a lot of US companies whole. So far they have limited their activities to British Football teams but I hope you are going to start learning the Cyrillic alphabet Mr Smith. I saw this American film recently called ‘Next’ where the villain was French and it had Nicolas cage in. In this film the French wanted to plant a nuclear bomb in the US for some strange reason. Why the French; because they didn't agree with the Iraq war? Also do you remember the film ‘Gone in 60 seconds’ had a criminal Brit in because all criminals in the US are British. It was highly amusing. Actually the plot of that movie was terrorism based. And as we know, terrorists do not come from any "one" country. They exist everywhere. I saw a lot of henchmen in that film that were decidedly NOT french. Oh and lets not forget the trouble that France had recently with the muslim rioters and such. I'm sure those muslims spoke french.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:46:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight Your last twoconclusions about the French and British villains in the other films was such a stretch that you must have pulled a muscle. Guess what? There are British criminals hence the reason that they have a police force. Not EVERYTHING that the rest of the people in this world do is politically motivated. Sometimes, movies are just made to ENTERTAIN. People who have to look for some dark political bullshit under every rock need their heads checked and should be medicated. No kidding. Next they'll come at us saying that Star Wars: A New Hope was about the Bush administration.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:47:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Hollywood has trotted out the next potential foreign foes for its upcoming blockbusters: 1- Le Beaver, from Canada, played by Celine Dion. 2- Kangarooney, an Austrailian that possesses the body of 60 Mintutes correspondent Andy Rooney. 3- The Siesta Squad, a team of Mexican super-villains. Actually, Aussies are covered. The 'double agent' from Indiana Jones 4 was an Aussie.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:48:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Level Hollywood has trotted out the next potential foreign foes for its upcoming blockbusters: 1- Le Beaver, from Canada, played by Celine Dion. 2- Kangarooney, an Austrailian that possesses the body of 60 Mintutes correspondent Andy Rooney. 3- The Siesta Squad, a team of Mexican super-villains. I cringed when I saw the below advertised it is in such bad taste and is going to upset a lot of people. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481536/ Actually, that movie was hilarious. And the only ones I can see being upset by it are the uber-fanatical right wingers.

FullCircle -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:49:32 PM)
They would be French Algerians and have a slightly less western look to them than the French people in that movie, from memory.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:50:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle [:D] There are British criminals in Britain and American criminals in America. Just answer me why the French wanted to plant a nuclear bomb in Mr Cages film? Them damn mercenaries, they’ll work for anyone. You would have complained if the criminals had been Spanish, Irish or Lithuanian. The fact is that the bad guys in the film were French. So what? Every country has wackos and this author portrayed his as being French. I think its a case of you wanting to make something out of nothing. You want there to be something bad so you find it. No kidding. There's a movie coming out in September starring Liam Neson called "Taken." It's a FRENCH movie about an American girl and her friends who are kidnapped while traveling in Paris and sold into slavery. Her father, an AMERICAN ex CIA operative hunts them across the country, using old skills to their fullest. Seems to me, if the French see fit to make themselves into the bad guys, then who are we to argue?

FullCircle -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:53:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 No kidding. Next they'll come at us saying that Star Wars: A New Hope was about the Bush administration. If we are having a them and us type discussion, we are not having it. I didn't think everyone had made their mind up about all topics already, renders debate rather useless. Goodnight.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:53:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Hollywood has trotted out the next potential foreign foes for its upcoming blockbusters: 1- Le Beaver, from Canada, played by Celine Dion. 2- Kangarooney, an Australian that possesses the body of 60 Minutes correspondent Andy Rooney. 3- The Siesta Squad, a team of Mexican super-villains. he he he he he he he ...say no more.

kittinSol -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:54:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Actually the plot of that movie was terrorism based. And as we know, terrorists do not come from any "one" country. They exist everywhere. I saw a lot of henchmen in that film that were decidedly NOT french. Oh and lets not forget the trouble that France had recently with the muslim rioters and such. I'm sure those muslims spoke french. The people you are talking about are French citizens, born in France, their parents were born in France too, for the most part. So yeah, they speak French, although not the kind of linguo I'll teach you when we finally sit down for your lesson [8D]. The media has seized upon their religion as yet another Islam-bashing opportunity. And what a field day they're having [8\|] . Fin de l'interlude.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:55:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle We are looking at it from two opposing sides because you are asking why not the French and I am asking why the French? There are other more realistic candidates for mass murder. Why the French, why not the Russians the Australians, the Canadians? Remember we are talking about people with access to a nuclear bomb, the French government supposedly doesn't know some of it's nationals have obtained a nuclear weapon? They have no lists of mass murdering French nationals to share with you? Realistic? In....Hollywood? Surely you jest. Oh....I think it was totally unrealistic that IronMan could be clipped by the wing of a Raptor and not blow the plane, and himself up in the process. Can we just get a lil more realism from Hollywood? Sheesh. And I seriously don't think a biochemical accident will make someone turn green and grow really big when they are angry. Gosh hollywood....how about being realistic and just showing the accident killing Bruce instantly, like it would really happen in "real life." And a drunken superhero willingly going to prison? Come on! That's totally unrealistic on MANY fronts. There are no superheros that can fly and if there WERE, they surely wouldn't DRINK. Gosh I wish Hollywood would be more realistic. [8\|]

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:58:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Actually the plot of that movie was terrorism based. And as we know, terrorists do not come from any "one" country. They exist everywhere. I saw a lot of henchmen in that film that were decidedly NOT french. Oh and lets not forget the trouble that France had recently with the muslim rioters and such. I'm sure those muslims spoke french. The people you are talking about are French citizens, born in France, their parents were born in France too, for the most part. So yeah, they speak French, although not the kind of linguo I'll teach you when we finally sit down for your lesson [8D]. The media has seized upon their religion as yet another Islam-bashing opportunity. And what a field day they're having [8\|] . Fin de l'interlude. And perhaps the guy who wrote the movie just picked that type of character out of his hat. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my dear.

FullCircle -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 3:59:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Realistic? In....Hollywood? Surely you jest. I don't mind films being unrealistic but they should try not to shoot themselves in the foot by casting aspersions about other nations.

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:00:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 No kidding. Next they'll come at us saying that Star Wars: A New Hope was about the Bush administration. If we are having a them and us type discussion, we are not having it. I didn't think everyone had made their mind up about all topics already, renders debate rather useless. Goodnight. You're right. It is useless to debate the "hidden meaning" of a movie when there likely is none. You didn't right it, and I didn't write it. Some guy who makes a living writing movies wrote it. Whether or not he has a vendetta against a country or not, we'll never know. However, I seriously doubt there was some dark, smoke-filled room with a committee sitting around wondering what country they could villify next.

kittinSol -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:00:29 PM)
Entertainment nearly always means mediocrity. Poor plot, appalling acting and desperate dialogues. The fun's disappear out of silly movies: they're just a giant commercial now, an excuse for selling brands via product placement [X(] .

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:01:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Realistic? In....Hollywood? Surely you jest. I don't mind films being unrealistic but they should try not to shoot themselves in the foot by casting aspersions about other nations. Again. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Watch "Taken" when it comes out. (You can fly to France and see it now, since it came out there first, being a FRENCH MOVIE and all. The bad guys in that movie? Yep, they're french.)

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:02:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Entertainment nearly always means mediocrity. Poor plot, appalling acting and desperate dialogues. The fun's disappear out of silly movies: they're just a giant commercial now, an excuse for selling brands via product placement [X(] . That's what Transformers ended up becoming, since all the "autobots" were GM vehicles. I still had fun watching it though. It was funny, action-packed, and just kicked ass. Hell, even the morning news seems to have a sponsor these days.

FullCircle -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:06:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Again. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Watch "Taken" when it comes out. (You can fly to France and see it now, since it came out there first, being a FRENCH MOVIE and all. The bad guys in that movie? Yep, they're french.) You don't understand what I'm saying sorry. The bad guys probably would be French in a French film because they see no reason to cast the bad guy as someone else to win popularity to a home audience.

kittinSol -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:06:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my dear. Si tu le dis, mon chéri, si tu le dis... [:-]

Smith117 -> RE: Indiana Jones makes Russian communists see red (5/26/2008 4:10:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my dear. Si tu le dis, mon chéri, si tu le dis... [:-] I do say so, sweetie. [:D]

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