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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 6:31:02 AM   
SummerWind


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ORIGINAL: Zensee

First I have to stop smearing my brains all over the roads or becoming a vegetable burden on the public trying to do so.
Then I have to stop being flung from the drivers seat of my car, turning a minor collision into something much worse.
THEN I have to stop harming others with my addiction to nicotine.
NOW I can't kill animals and brandish their bodies at sporting events!

WFT is the world coming to? If I want inconvenience and injure others or needlessly kill innocent creatures, I should be able to do so as and when I see fit!


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I would expect a "big brother needs to watch over and protect me from myself and others" mentality from the dopes in the Middle East or even Canadians..........oops

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 6:36:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SummerWind

I would expect a "big brother needs to watch over and protect me from myself and others" mentality from the dopes in the Middle East or even Canadians..........oops
 That makes me question the mentality of someone who feels the need to insult others simply because they disagree over perspectives. I'm totally for seatbelts and seatbelt laws btw.

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 6:38:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can understand seatbelt and helmet laws for those under 18, but I think, as an adult I shouldn't have someone telling me what I have to do. 

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 7:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's the way the guys in Philly with the wigs in the 1770's intended our government to be.....

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 7:19:31 AM   
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[/quote]  That makes me question the mentality of someone who feels the need to insult others simply because they disagree over perspectives[/quote]

Hey sweety - where I'm from that's humor.....

Too many rules.................. and too damn sensitive......

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 7:24:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember recently reading a study that refuted the seatbelts ave lives mantra.  I've also survived a wreck where mine saved my life and one where not wearing one saved my life.  I can deal with seatbelt laws even though I don't like them.
Helmet laws are even a more touchy subject as there are groups who will be more than happy to show anyone who asks pictures of those who died because of wearing a helmet or because someone tried to remove that helmet after an accident.  When I had a bike, I wore a helmet unless I was trail riding on my way to go fishing.  It was my choice and if I get another bike, it will be my choice to do so again. 
Maybe people would be happier with a different law.  "You will not be kept alive at the expense of society if you are not wearing specified safety equipment when an accident occurs."  Then there are no vegetables in hospitals because they weren't wearing their seatbelt for anyone else to pay for. (There is some amount of sarcasm in that) 

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 7:39:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know...... there are reasons that I find many (if not all) of the recently passed laws concerning Protecting Me From Myself to be bogus.

When I was a kid, my parents owned vehicals that didn't even HAVE seatbelts.... but gee, we not only survived, we thrived. (And hell, we got left in the car when mom ran into the c-store for 3 minutes, with the car running, without seatbelts.... and didn't get carjacked, and didn't kill ourselves mucking about with the transmission and putting the car in gear - because we knew if we didn't behave while mom was in the store, she'd make us wish we hadn't been born when she got back to the car!)
 
We didn't have Nintendo and Sega and Gameboy and PS3 (or cable TV, DishNetwork, computers) and all that crap... we got our butts sent outside to play... in the street.... we not only survived, we thrived, and without *gasp* getting kidnapped  (though no doubt there were days when our parents wished we would be!  I know with my folks it wasn't "stay where I can see you" it was "be back by supper.")
 
we went Trick-or-Treating in our own neighborhood - not the local shopping mall, zoo, and college campus activities center.... and we not only survived, we thrived (without our parents being paranoid that someone was going to poison us unless - you count the bellyaches from to much candy in to short a time we gave Ourselves!)
 
Our mothers smoked and drank while pregnant with us... and we not only survived, we thrived, and turned out to be intelligent (well, ok, Some of us turned out to be intelligent - some turned out to be Sheeple, but that seems to be what our government Prefers, so maybe the Sheep were being born to the non-smokers and non-drinkers!)
 
We got spankings when we misbehaved or acted disrespectful of our parents... and we not only survived, we Thrived (not only did we Not turn out to be mass murdering psycho-sociopaths we turned out to be better people because there was a wee bit of Discipline instilled in our lives!)
 
There's a country song out (yeah, I know, a lot of ya detest country music.. but hey, at least it Is music, rather than simply rhythmic noise) that mentions a lot of things of this nature.  "We were born to mothers who smoked and drank, our cribs were covered in lead based paint.... no helmets on bikes, no seatbelts in cars ... yet still - Here we Are"
 
I believe it was Jefferson who stated - and rightly so - "Those who would sacrifice liberty for a bit of safety, deserve neither liberty Or safety."

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 8:40:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Some rules save lives. The safety belt rule is a perfect example of that. If you don't want to abide by the rules, don't: just be ready to deal with the consequences.




Actually,seat-belts weren`t the 1st outrage .

The signs of the heavy hand of our tyrannical government came years before,with laws about food quality and purity.


There were the new fangled fancy laws that prohibited the marketing of narcotics and hard drugs like heroin from Sears and Roebucks and patent medicines were made to show efficacy and safety.Damm government!!!

New,intrusive laws requiring a saw-bones to get training and a license before calling himself a doctor .Talk about squashing entrepreneurship,jesus,when will it end?.

Then there was that fascist law saying that your product had to do what it claimed and some nazi-like laws saying that banks had to keep only one set of books and had to follow basic guidelines.Fuckers!

Then that ugly law requiring a drivers license ,smashed all us poe-folk into dust.How did we survive?

It`s a slippery slope,indeed...


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Kittin makes a good point.

If you want to be a scofflaw,fine.Just be prepared for the consequences.

If you don`t want to wear your seatbelt,then live with your face being sliced off as you hurdle through the windshield and pay for your own care after the permanent head injury.Take the ticket for not wearing it w/out the crybaby act.

Same with helmets.If you`re dumb enough to ride at high speeds w/out one,don`t come crawling to the government to be cared for when the medical bills bankrupt you.

As for smoking,keep your fucking disgusting stink out`a my air.If fact,smoke two cigs at once in a closed closet for all I care.Just don`t cry over the taxes you pay to compensate the government for the cost of caring for smokers.





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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 8:57:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

Ya know...... there are reasons that I find many (if not all) of the recently passed laws concerning Protecting Me From Myself to be bogus.

When I was a kid, my parents owned vehicals that didn't even HAVE seatbelts.... but gee, we not only survived, we thrived. (And hell, we got left in the car when mom ran into the c-store for 3 minutes, with the car running, without seatbelts.... and didn't get carjacked, and didn't kill ourselves mucking about with the transmission and putting the car in gear - because we knew if we didn't behave while mom was in the store, she'd make us wish we hadn't been born when she got back to the car!)
 
We didn't have Nintendo and Sega and Gameboy and PS3 (or cable TV, DishNetwork, computers) and all that crap... we got our butts sent outside to play... in the street.... we not only survived, we thrived, and without *gasp* getting kidnapped  (though no doubt there were days when our parents wished we would be!  I know with my folks it wasn't "stay where I can see you" it was "be back by supper.")
 
we went Trick-or-Treating in our own neighborhood - not the local shopping mall, zoo, and college campus activities center.... and we not only survived, we thrived (without our parents being paranoid that someone was going to poison us unless - you count the bellyaches from to much candy in to short a time we gave Ourselves!)
 
Our mothers smoked and drank while pregnant with us... and we not only survived, we thrived, and turned out to be intelligent (well, ok, Some of us turned out to be intelligent - some turned out to be Sheeple, but that seems to be what our government Prefers, so maybe the Sheep were being born to the non-smokers and non-drinkers!)
 
We got spankings when we misbehaved or acted disrespectful of our parents... and we not only survived, we Thrived (not only did we Not turn out to be mass murdering psycho-sociopaths we turned out to be better people because there was a wee bit of Discipline instilled in our lives!)
 
There's a country song out (yeah, I know, a lot of ya detest country music.. but hey, at least it Is music, rather than simply rhythmic noise) that mentions a lot of things of this nature.  "We were born to mothers who smoked and drank, our cribs were covered in lead based paint.... no helmets on bikes, no seatbelts in cars ... yet still - Here we Are"
 
I believe it was Jefferson who stated - and rightly so - "Those who would sacrifice liberty for a bit of safety, deserve neither liberty Or safety."


What you really missed out on,honey,was the lead paint.

It`s making a comeback though,on kid`s toys.

Bush is doing all he can to restore the freedom to eat lead paint again.

Don`t worry,help is on the way.


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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 9:05:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		1960's.Less cars on the roads.Speed limit on highways was lower.Kids could be left in the car for a bit because it was less likely they would be grabbed, unlike today when carjacking is a common event.Halloween candy didn't have to be xrayed. I could go down an entire list but hopefully that makes my point. The world has changed from those days of 'Oh golly we can do what we want when we want'. Yes I think the laws have gotten silly and overdone in many areas and I do see personal rights as a highly endangered species but IMO fighting about seat belt laws is even sillier.There are other things I worry about.

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 10:12:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		t: Luigi's pizza, may I take your order ?
w: I'd like a pepperoni, sausage and mushroom, large
t: Fine, now all I need is your med ID number
w: What ?
t: We are not allowed to sell you pizza with processed meat on it unless you cholesterol is under 170
w: What ? 
t: Yes and if your BMI is out of shape we can only send you a small veggie pizza, unless you can prove you are not eating it alone.
w: What ?
t: OK so what is your medical ID number, so I can process your order.
w: 292-4457822
t: I'm sorry that number does not show up in the database, did you possibly make a mistake ?
w: Nope, that's what it says
t: Well then what are the last four digits of your social security number ?
w: For a pizza ?
t: The law is the law
w: OK 4459
t: AHA Mr Jones, the database shows your number to be 292-4457882, and it says your cholesterol is 195, sorry we can't put pepperoni on your pizza
w: Well what can you put on my pizza then ?
t: Alfalfa sprouts, BHA and BHT, ascorbic acid, viagra, aluminum silicate or sodium benzite
w: Then what about anchovies ?
t: Sorry sir, too much salt for you.
w: How about fried chicken then ?
t: We normally don't put chicken on pizza, but under regulations we are only allowed to sell you chicken that is boiled for four hours.
w: Doesn't sound too tasty.
t: Well we all have to do our part to improve people's health, and prolong life
w: What good is it to prolong life if I am sitting here with plenty of money in my pocket and can't order a fucking pepperoni pizza ?
t: You should put all that money in the bank sir, so you don't get robbed
w: Why fucking bother ? Rob me because apparently my money is no good anyway
t: We are sending an ambulance over right away sir
w: Why
t: You are obviously imbalanced and in need of help, please call Luigi's pizza again after you get out. Remember to tell your doctors to update your medical profile so we know what foods are safe for you.

THAT is where we are headed.

T

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 10:26:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: orfunboi

No one said you couldn't needlessly kill innocent creatures, they said you can't stand on the ice and swing the body around your head at a hockey game.


LOL

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 10:29:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Fuck...I love to twirl octopii (?).  What ever shall I twirl in my free time now?


Ditch that chest  hair, and I'll help you find something.....

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 10:31:07 AM   
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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 10:31:50 AM   
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tell the government to fuck off and go on strike until they stop treating us like 2 year olds and let us do with our bodies as we damn well please.


This is what the Darwin awards are for, no?

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 10:32:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		       I always get a kick out of the more left-leaning posters suddenly deciding it is ok for people to face the consequences of the choices they make...  Consistency, folks, consistency...

      The last bad accident I was involved in was one where I wasn't wearing my seat belt.  Good thing too.  Of course, I told the investigating officer and ER personnel I had it on, but every one of them knew I was lying.  I was in a '69 pickup with lap belts.  If I really had been wearing it, I'd have been hurt a lot worse, maybe in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. 



       It ends when we decide enough is enough.  In other words, no time soon.      

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 11:01:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you really want to keep this up ? Because I can see where it is going, colletivism vs individualism.

I am responsible for my actions, I and I alone. Therefore nobody tells me what to do.

But if you take anything, insurance settlement, anything, you are laying the cost on the collective. You are making others responsibkle for a bad turn in your life. When you do that in any form, you confer power to others over your actions.

If I am to pay for your follies, I have every right to regulate your actions to prevent such follies from occurrung, as a result NYC regulates what kind of oil your fries are cooked in, and even though something is needed to regulate the other greedy MFs they just buy off the regulatory agencies. The system does not work.

1890 : Dammit boy, when you climb that tree hold on, it cost two dollars to get you stitched up down at the doc's. We can't be spending that kind of money.

1990 : My son is dead because the law is not enforced. That truck was doing almost 65 in that 60 MPH zone when he ran out in front of it. I am suing for a million dollars.

Progress.

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 12:28:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      I always get a kick out of the more left-leaning posters suddenly deciding it is ok for people to face the consequences of the choices they make...  Consistency, folks, consistency...



It's amusing how you raise bipartisan hell at the earliest possible occasion - even if the subject at hand has absolutely nothing to do with bipartisan politics  .



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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 12:46:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

Ya know...... there are reasons that I find many (if not all) of the recently passed laws concerning Protecting Me From Myself to be bogus.

When I was a kid, my parents owned vehicals that didn't even HAVE seatbelts.... but gee, we not only survived, we thrived. (And hell, we got left in the car when mom ran into the c-store for 3 minutes, with the car running, without seatbelts.... and didn't get carjacked, and didn't kill ourselves mucking about with the transmission and putting the car in gear - because we knew if we didn't behave while mom was in the store, she'd make us wish we hadn't been born when she got back to the car!)
 
We didn't have Nintendo and Sega and Gameboy and PS3 (or cable TV, DishNetwork, computers) and all that crap... we got our butts sent outside to play... in the street.... we not only survived, we thrived, and without *gasp* getting kidnapped  (though no doubt there were days when our parents wished we would be!  I know with my folks it wasn't "stay where I can see you" it was "be back by supper.")
 
we went Trick-or-Treating in our own neighborhood - not the local shopping mall, zoo, and college campus activities center.... and we not only survived, we thrived (without our parents being paranoid that someone was going to poison us unless - you count the bellyaches from to much candy in to short a time we gave Ourselves!)
 
Our mothers smoked and drank while pregnant with us... and we not only survived, we thrived, and turned out to be intelligent (well, ok, Some of us turned out to be intelligent - some turned out to be Sheeple, but that seems to be what our government Prefers, so maybe the Sheep were being born to the non-smokers and non-drinkers!)
 
We got spankings when we misbehaved or acted disrespectful of our parents... and we not only survived, we Thrived (not only did we Not turn out to be mass murdering psycho-sociopaths we turned out to be better people because there was a wee bit of Discipline instilled in our lives!)
 
There's a country song out (yeah, I know, a lot of ya detest country music.. but hey, at least it Is music, rather than simply rhythmic noise) that mentions a lot of things of this nature.  "We were born to mothers who smoked and drank, our cribs were covered in lead based paint.... no helmets on bikes, no seatbelts in cars ... yet still - Here we Are"
 
I believe it was Jefferson who stated - and rightly so - "Those who would sacrifice liberty for a bit of safety, deserve neither liberty Or safety."


And I believe that it would have been incredibly simple to Google who actually said that...which is the whole point... people who expect everyone else to inconvenience themselves (by carrying uninsured Motorists coverage, and pay extra for medical care, and hire someone to scrape helmetless and seatbeltless speeders off the road... ) so that the 'rebels'won't have to inconvenience themselves in the least little bit.

That isn't being a rebel, it is being a free rider on society's coattails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

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RE: When will it end?...... - 5/24/2008 1:47:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		       It's hardly partisan politics, Kitten.  It's fundamental world-view, or, as Termy put it, collectivism v. individualism.  The discussion isn't which of those is right, but how we place them into balance.  I see us sliding deeper into the nanny-state.  I'm not thrilled with the prospect.

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