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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 9:50:19 AM   
sambamanslilgirl


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ORIGINAL: Tygra

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

what's wrong stating "i'm submissive and not a doormat" in a profile? 

from a male pov, you have NO clue about what we as women go through here. you don't see or read the crap that's typically sent to a slave's/submissive's inbox/bulk mail. wannabes and wankers with their "on your knees now, bitch, suck my cock and call me Master" to "i have this fantasy of you being naked and chained so i can fuck you all day/night long ...what do you think?" messages (and this is the tamer stuff - i'm sure others can tell you some that were crude and downright disgusting) to scammers and their marriage proposals.  sometimes we need to have a nasty attitude in our profiles to separate the weeds from the flowers. 

so yes, it's like Burger King and we do have a right to demand to have it our way when searching for a potential dominant/master. we shouldn't have to settle for anything/anyone less if they're not compatible to us. we, believe it or not, have the control until at such time are willing to submit that control to you. 

I totally agree with you!!!


if he read and saw the things as submissive/slave that most dominants do around here, he would totatlly get a different perspective than he does now as dominant.


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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 9:53:23 AM   
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YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THOSE CONTRACTED TO YOU.  Get it?





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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 9:55:01 AM   
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The basic general (not absolute) meaning is a base for the terms and the wider or deeper or fuller definition is determined by those in the relationship. If someone says they are a Dominant then most are going to have a general idea of what they mean. The rest is defined by the person.

The terms sadist and masochist are not generally defined within bdsm as they are elsewhere. The basic part is the starting point, but if you go by the dictionary or psychiatric definitions then most of those who identify as a sadist aren't really sadists and the same with masochists.


Why did I just have a flashback to Bill Clinton trying to explain why getting a blowjob wasn't really sex? 


Ummm...too much caffeine??? Bad for ya you know lol.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 10:03:57 AM   
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I always find this funny. Just because I'm not submissive towards you means that I'm not submissive to anyone, in your opinion.  Which is incorrect. People that I show no submissiveness towards are people where I'm the more dominant person. So, what you're claiming as something lacking in me, could actually be something that is lacking in the other person.

So, here's the reality, if I don't behave in a submissive manner towards you, it's because I don't find you to be a Dominant.


I get this.  There are some people I meet and interact with that I perceive as dominant to me.  However, there are others that I meet who say they are dominant and who may even be in a relationship where someone else submits to them, but they are not dominant to me.  It is really apparent when I perceive them as being submissive. 

What I find amusing is that I perceive his and Alandra's youngest daughter as being dominant to me.  There are so many times that I just have to stop myself from saying "yes, ma'am" when she gives me a command.  I expect some of the big bad dominants would be really twisted up that I see a kid as more dominant to me than they are.  *eg*

On the flip side, I am sure that there are people who do not perceive me as being submissive even though I submit within my relationship.  That doesn't bother me.  I see submission and dominance as a product of the interactions that I am having and not necessarily a part of my overall identity.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 11:03:06 AM   
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This is a lot of qualifying and rationalizing but the fact is you are a slave or not a slave.  You can make up your own definitions for the term but go to any dictionary and there is only one.  Yes, if you are a slave you are a doormat, or any other thing your Owner wants you to be.  While you may have a "mind of your own" it is always subordinate to your Owner's will.  Anything less is not a slave, by definition.


It sounds to me as if your definition of slave is based on the most oppressive examples and while historically that has doubtless most often the case, it's also true that some slave-owning societies enacted laws that gave slaves protection, security and rights.  The slaves didn't have to be whatever the owner wanted, and they weren't always necessarily subordinate to his will - yet, they were still slaves in the truest sense of the word ... that of chattel.  Today, bdsm slaves are not 'chattel' and from that definition, they are not and never can be a slave, period, regardless of their level of submission or resemblance to a doormat.  

I'm pretty sure what you really meant to say in that last line is:  "Anything less is not a slave, by MY definition".  Right?   :)


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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 5:09:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


Why did I just have a flashback to Bill Clinton trying to explain why getting a blowjob wasn't really sex? 
i don't know...i found it pretty clear, actually.


Thank you. I was hoping I was getting my point across clearly.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 5:20:42 PM   
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There are far too many happy grown ups out here to allow my day to be ruined by the few bitter ones.

Hell, yeah.


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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 5:32:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		i did not and do not consider myself a slave and felt i was only a submissive. however, in my current relationship he considers me and calls me his slave. i did ask Master the difference between slave/sub for him and he gave me his answer. based on his answer i am his slave. each person has their own defintion of the words of slave/sub/Master/Dom/Domme. the important thing  to me is what it means to the people involved in the relationship and how they define the terms. it really does not matter what the dicitionary defines these words...communication is the key and any definition of the word is only to give one an idea based on other's people experiences. what someone calls themselves may or may not change over time based on their journey and life experiences. 

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 7:02:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirromancerX

I understand that people have limits,but I find that many of the profiles I read here from those claiming to be slaves are very rude, demanding, even obnoxious, and very unslave like. C'mon folks we have all seen them! "I'm a slave, but I'm not a doormat!" Uh, actually sunshine you kind of are, sorry. Oh and how about "I''m a slave, but don't call me slave or girl. Well, alright then. These examples are not as bad as some I've seen, but you get my point. Now in these persons defense, I suppose over time one might get annoyed by some of the propositions as a slave they receive in a quest here to find a real Master or Mistress. Nevertheless, if you have extreme attitude issues, or want everything your way like Burger King, I would suggest that you are not a slave or that you have learned very little in your years of service.

Either your a slave or you aren't. Perhaps your simply have a fetish for playing the role of a slave or acting out the part of a slave, but last I checked in the dictionary, being a slave had a very specific meaning. Some may say well everyone is different and has different standards , likes, dislikes, etc. True! Yet this simply means that not everyone is a slave and there is nothing wrong with that. A lot of people are simply submissive to varying degrees! Some may be extremely submissive, but not a slave in the true sense of the word. The word "slave" means something very definitive and we need to stop tossing it around so liberally. I myself have been guilty of using the term "slave" loosely. It's too bad we don't have a word that means borderline slave/submissive, slave(but not quite), or slave with limts), because that's what most "slaves" actually are.


You're funny.

Here's the simple truth.  Slavery in the BDSM community is a relationship descriptor. 

Actually - let's try a simpler explanation.  One wife is not answerable to all husbands.  A person who looks to be a wife sifts through all of the potential husbands in various ways - exactly how depends on the potential wife.  Some will seem to fit - those she explores further to narrow it down further.  Eventually she finds the potential husband and they settle in for the real explorations.  Hopefully it works and they live happily ever after.

Once a woman is a wife, she acts however she acts, and as long as she and her husband are together, she is a wife.  She cannot be "unwifely".  She isn't fooling herself, just because some other husband wouldn't have a wife who behaves as she does.  As long as they're married - she's a real, true wife.

Apply that to BDSM consensual slavery.  A person who desires to be a slave narrows the field in their own way.  They narrow it further.  They explore with the one they choose, who also chooses them.  Hopefully it works and they live happily ever after. 

Once a person is a slave, they act however they act, and as long as they and their owner are together in that capacity, they are a slave.  They cannot be "unslavely".  They aren't fooling themselves, just because some other person wouldn't have a slave who behaves as they do.  As long as they are in the m/s relationship - they're a real, true slave.

It's really that simple.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 7:43:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ImpGrrl

Once a woman is a wife, she acts however she acts, and as long as she and her husband are together, she is a wife.  She cannot be "unwifely".  She isn't fooling herself, just because some other husband wouldn't have a wife who behaves as she does.  As long as they're married - she's a real, true wife.

Apply that to BDSM consensual slavery.  A person who desires to be a slave narrows the field in their own way.  They narrow it further.  They explore with the one they choose, who also chooses them.  Hopefully it works and they live happily ever after. 

Once a person is a slave, they act however they act, and as long as they and their owner are together in that capacity, they are a slave.  They cannot be "unslavely".  They aren't fooling themselves, just because some other person wouldn't have a slave who behaves as they do.  As long as they are in the m/s relationship - they're a real, true slave.

It's really that simple.


Nicely said! 

Maam Jay aka violet[A] (whose Master considers her HIS slave according to HIS definition ... and that's the only one that matters to her)

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 8:01:50 PM   
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If you look long and hard enough, you will eventually find a hot slavegirl that will immediately call you Sir, or Master, or whatever you like, and hand over unconditionally obedience because she knows her role is slave and if you are a Master, she should obey you.  Of course, if you were to ever go meet her in real life, you would find her real name was Bubba and she was a fat, hairy truck driver with one hand on his small penis and the other hand on his keyboard typing to you.

Women, by their nature, tend to seek emotional connection before handing over sexuality.  Slave or not, don't expect women to just fall at your feet.  Besides, wouldn't you be suspicious of someone who gave it away to anyone who asked?  eww.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/24/2008 9:13:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		What in the world could be more fun than taking an old word and giving it a shining new meaning that is special to you and the one(s) you love or like? Words and their meanings change over time. Language and words are tools, and sometimes tools need an upgrade, or need to be thrown out entirely and replaced with something else. There is a long history of transforming and re-claiming words for fun, excitement, and even (gasp!) revolution. Words such as slave, man, woman, gay, queer, dyke, etc. can have many meanings, and there is no one right (or twue... hey, there's a new-ish word that has been banging around this site for a while) way of being any of those identities. Words in general have many meanings, and I for one hope to never be held accountable to ALL the definitions of the words with which I identify (eg. Female: "designed with a hollow or groove into which a corresponding male part fits"... Merriam-Webster online... uh, that may work for bolts and screws, but for me... not so much).
If you think there should be another word for someone who is in your mind only a quasi-slave, then create that word, and use it with the ones you love, and maybe it will catch on. Don't impose it on other people though, because that would be just silly.
Granted, I have on occasion been the purpitrator of "my definition is better than your definition" wars, but in short time I saw the error of my ways. Now, so long as someone's use or definition of a word doesn't hurt me, I'll let it be. If it does, well then I'll just re-define the word for myself, or use some other more creative words to fight back.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 6:49:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Slave can simply mean owned person or person previously owned and up for a new owner. Historically slavery has been and meant many things. In some cultures Slaves were owned but otherwise equal to their owners, They were purchased for specialized skills they had and brought to the household. Pharaoh and the Egyptians lost a lot when Moses led his people (primarily owned slaves) out of Egypt. They lost teachers, jewelers, clerks, grooms, farm hands, household servants, advisors etc. an understructure of servants and populace that did the work few others wanted to or had the skills others did not, the majority of which were owned by Egyptians. In other cultures, those captured in war were owned but assimilated into the tribe, village, etc over time adding to the gene pool. Many earned rights as they became part of the family so to speak.

I am my Masters slave, I am not his submissive. It is more a classical meaning of slavery. He decides my usage, has the final word in all things, but that  does not mean I cannot express my feelings on something or speak freely to others. I operate as his Major Domo and agent in some things, have a great deal of autonomy as he has little interest in micromanaging, and therefore chose a slave who could think for herself and work within the parameters set by him.  I am far from a doormat and frankly he would not want me to be one. I bow my head to no other man save him and he has earned that, making it precious to him. Occasionally he would like the "ease" of a submissive, the eagerness to kneel and submit, but so far he says he would not trade me for all the submissives in the world.

I guess I will stay HIS slave.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 9:00:12 AM   
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The word "slave" means something very definitive and we need to stop tossing it around so liberally.

 
Well, that sounds absolutely peachy-keen.  Just exactly how are you going to enforce your rules, on a site that allows absolutely anyone to create an account--for free?

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 9:10:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Look at the profiles of women who advertise themselves as slaves on here.  Hell, just look at those that call themselves submissive, 90% are anything but. 
I always find this funny. Just because I'm not submissive towards you means that I'm not submissive to anyone, in your opinion.  Which is incorrect. People that I show no submissiveness towards are people where I'm the more dominant person. So, what you're claiming as something lacking in me, could actually be something that is lacking in the other person.

So, here's the reality, if I don't behave in a submissive manner towards you, it's because I don't find you to be a Dominant.

Here's the other part of the reality. I'm am owned submissive and have been for over 8 years to the same man. He's an alpha male that inspires my submission.


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how you should treat them when you're not dominating them. 
Everyone has the right to be happy. It's why we've gotten into what we do. The way to get what makes you happy is to be specific about what you want from a relationship. If the relationship does not hold the promise of meeting what you need to be happy, then you move on.

I have no idea of why you think that the "s" type isn't allowed to choose their own relationship.

As for the OP: Bottom line, just because she's a slave, doesn't mean she's your slave. It also doesn't mean that she has behave as a slave to every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along. She gets to decide what relationship she enters, so yes, she does get to have her way before she's owned. She's not your property.

YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THOSE CONTRACTED TO YOU.  Get it?


Uh yeah.  Well if you scroll up a little you'll find me apologizing for that post because it was not well thought out or well written.  Do I need to cut off my hand and send it to you to retract it?

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 9:38:36 AM   
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I won't spend a lot of time on the submissive vs slave aspect of the conversation. I'll just say what many others have said before: If you think you're a slave, you're a slave. If you think you're a submissive, you're submissive. It has nothing at all to do with the "dictionary definition", limits vs no limits etc.

For me, presentation is 75% of your score. I understand people deal with a lot of BS during the search for a suitable mate or dinner companion. I've had my fair share of bad experiences. But if 90% my profile goes on and on about that, I look like a whiney little girl or a self centered bastard. While I admit I am a self centered bastard, I prefer my partners not discover that until they are safely secured to the bed.

I will typically respond "i'm not a doormat" thusly: "I am not interested in wiping my feet on you. However, wiping my mouth on your breasts after eating a mouthful of spaghetti with extra sauce really gets my motor running."
 
Seriously - I drive by profiles which are mostly negative - too much bad mojo to disturb my chi. So when I see "Why does it seem 99% of the dominates here are wannabes?" I take away another 20 points for spelling and move on. There are far too many happy grown ups out here to allow my day to be ruined by the few bitter ones.


well said, SoulPiercer.
when you are sincerely searching there is a lot of chaff to sort through. oh well, it is all part of the process. we all have our stories some funnier than others. even my  most awful stories i choose to find humor in the lesson. it is all in your attitude...i am attracted to positive people...god knows i can have very elaborate pity parties, but i choose to be the only one on the invited list!
i learned a while back it is not my job to define somebody. if they don't have the style of dominance, i seek then they simply are not the Dominant for me. pretty simple stuff.
may we all find our bliss,
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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 9:44:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really like a couple of the earlier responses, because I can relate so completely to them.  There are many who claim to be Dominants, that are completely incapable of sparking a submissive desire within me.  Then there are those, that no matter how much I try, I am incapable of being anything BUT submissive toward them, simply because everything about these individuals screams Dominant.  MMM yummy!  I love those sort.  This can become quite awkward when the Dominant in question is completely vanilla, oblivious to my attraction, and baffled by my attitude toward them.  Ok, it is also an amusing private joke that I enjoy for myself sometimes.  I guess I have a quirky sense of humor that way.

Not to ride the fence, but in one sense, a point made by the OP rings true to me. It has always surprised how rude and offensive some slave or submissive profiles are.  I've always attributed it to more of "the best defense is a good offensive" sort of profile. 

There have been times when I've wanted to shove my foot up some dominants ass, and walk around wearing them like a slipper, because they seemed to think that because I have a tendency toward submissiong, that it was a given I'd drop to my knees and extol all their dom'ly virtues, when in all reality I'd rather operate on myself with a dinner fork than do just that. 

The problem that arises in a text based medium, is you only have words to get your point/needs across.  With no inflection, body language (except in the case of pics!) or tone by which to convey what it is you are truly thinking, some fall back on setting people straight right out of the gate.  Unforuntately, I think this may be a self-defeating way of acquiring what it is one seeks.  Perhaps it was being raised by an Officer in the Military, that has so deeply ingrained within me the value of respect and being polite.  I don't really qualify those who post rude and in-your-face profiles as being slaves or not.  I just shake my head, and m ove on when I come across such profiles.  Then again, I'm not searching for a slave, so I guess I can be nonchalant in my view of how they represent themselves.

Now if only this fence came equipped with a vibrating toy, I might sit it a while longer.

Edited because I have a brand new laptop, and it wants to toss letters in at odd places. Good thing it is so gorgeous, or I might get annoyed with the cantankerous toy.

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 10:13:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I opened my account, I was very nice in my profile description. Immediately I got around 6 PAGES of emails from men, asking, demanding, wanting this and that, some down right nasty and disrespectful. So I kept it nice but put in the first line that I was under consideration and only looking for friendship. They still kept coming and disrespecting me, showing me that most don't even READ your profile before they email you. Finally I changed it and put exactly what I was NOT looking for in the first paragraph. It sounds bitchy but I am tired of getting overloaded with emails asking for things I will not do so I rather just cover it all right off the bat so that it saves me time and headache later. If you want all subs/slaves to be sugary sweet at all times, then make all the Doms be respectful at all times. Make it so we can be nice and still be respected by every one out there, and I'm sure you'll see a lot more sweet profiles. Get rid of all the parasites that use sites like these to find the easily manipulated subs with the sole purpose of abusing them, and we'll all be less abrasive. Make all people everywhere sweet and honest and trustworthy and I promise, we will be nothing but sugar and spice and everything nice. Until then, sorry about your luck.
 
I am a slave, but I am not your slave, nor am I a slave to every man who decides on a whim to send me an email. I do as I'm told by my Master, but that doesn't mean I'm weak or blind enough to obey every one I meet. I offered myself to my Master for slavery because I trust and respect Him completely, not because He sent me an email and told me to. I am strong enough to take care of myself and to defend myself when I am disrespected, and I have expressed permission to do so. I am a slave to my MASTER and Him alone, it doesn't mean that I am advertising myself falsely, it just means that I am an OWNED slave, not a community slave. 

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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 11:43:32 AM   
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RE: You are not a slave and you are not alone! - 5/25/2008 11:44:34 AM   
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Look at the profiles of women who advertise themselves as slaves on here.  Hell, just look at those that call themselves submissive, 90% are anything but. 
I always find this funny. Just because I'm not submissive towards you means that I'm not submissive to anyone, in your opinion.  Which is incorrect. People that I show no submissiveness towards are people where I'm the more dominant person. So, what you're claiming as something lacking in me, could actually be something that is lacking in the other person.

So, here's the reality, if I don't behave in a submissive manner towards you, it's because I don't find you to be a Dominant.

Here's the other part of the reality. I'm am owned submissive and have been for over 8 years to the same man. He's an alpha male that inspires my submission.


quote:

how you should treat them when you're not dominating them. 
Everyone has the right to be happy. It's why we've gotten into what we do. The way to get what makes you happy is to be specific about what you want from a relationship. If the relationship does not hold the promise of meeting what you need to be happy, then you move on.

I have no idea of why you think that the "s" type isn't allowed to choose their own relationship.

As for the OP: Bottom line, just because she's a slave, doesn't mean she's your slave. It also doesn't mean that she has behave as a slave to every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along. She gets to decide what relationship she enters, so yes, she does get to have her way before she's owned. She's not your property.

YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THOSE CONTRACTED TO YOU.  Get it?


Uh yeah.  Well if you scroll up a little you'll find me apologizing for that post because it was not well thought out or well written.  Do I need to cut off my hand and send it to you to retract it?

Gee, overreact much? So, yeah, mail me the hand. We'll have it stuffed and mounted.




< Message edited by OsideGirl -- 5/25/2008 12:09:18 PM >

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