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subtee -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/28/2008 2:54:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I suppose I'm showing myself to be the old fart that I am, but to me, mentoring is primarily a one on one think.  It can be very intense and time consuming.  For that reason, I generally don't "mentor" much any more.  I find the limited time and energy I have is best used in broader forums and my participation in them has greatly decreased as my health deteriorates.

How old a fart?  Well, I guess you'd just have to ask Telemachus about my relationship with him.


Old fart? Bah. Please give Telemachus my regards...wonder if he's busy?

Thank you




JohnWarren -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/28/2008 6:21:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

Old fart? Bah. Please give Telemachus my regards...wonder if he's busy?

Thank you


He's busy admiring the tapestry Mom just finished and playing grab ass with Dad.




metalmiss -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/28/2008 6:22:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: derfrewop
A top who is worried about losing control, scared of harming a sub by going to far or other ways of horribly screwing up is the only one who can be trusted. If you are not worried about these things, you are a menace to anyone you top.


derfrewop,

Having read your response to my post, not just once, but in fact twice.. It seems clear to me that you have actually completely missed my point.

i am not questioning the fact that it is best to be cautious at all times during play, this is just common sense. Personally, i wouldn't consent to playing with anybody whom i considered to be "over confident."

There is a world of difference between taking care not to cause harm and being "terribly afraid" of "loosing control" and
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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan
simply giving in to the thrill and rush.


Any top who has reason to be "terribly afraid" of giving into that hasn't the self control to play safely at all in my opinion.




Sundowner -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/29/2008 1:25:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Here are the connundrums with mentors...those who most need them seldom seek them, those who do seek them often don't need one, those who most seek to mentor often have the least to offer and those with the most to offer seldom mentor.


Nah - I disagree. I love mentoring (in the sense of spending time with a young girl who's instinctively sub and taking her further down the path into new areas). It's soooooo satisfying to see, and share, that beautiful awakening (for both, not just the dom). Helping a horny girl become a horny slut, enjoying the changing relationship where she wants you to own her, not fuck her, is decidedly pleasing. So, whilst it's fun playing with an "experienced" sub, I seek to mentor and I reckon I have at least something to offer; and not just in the bedroom.

Mind you I think it helps that I know I don't know enough about this scene! [sm=smile.gif]





BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/29/2008 1:32:04 AM)

Up front if you are a mentor you shouldn't be looking to get in their pants or do most do this to do so,I would guess thats the very reason..To teach and not to fuck is how I approach those that ask for help..my two cents and betting my views  are much different then many ...bounty




SimplyMichael -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/29/2008 7:38:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sundowner

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Here are the connundrums with mentors...those who most need them seldom seek them, those who do seek them often don't need one, those who most seek to mentor often have the least to offer and those with the most to offer seldom mentor.


Nah - I disagree. I love mentoring (in the sense of spending time with a young girl who's instinctively sub and taking her further down the path into new areas). It's soooooo satisfying to see, and share, that beautiful awakening (for both, not just the dom). Helping a horny girl become a horny slut, enjoying the changing relationship where she wants you to own her, not fuck her, is decidedly pleasing. So, whilst it's fun playing with an "experienced" sub, I seek to mentor and I reckon I have at least something to offer; and not just in the bedroom.

Mind you I think it helps that I know I don't know enough about this scene! [sm=smile.gif]


Sundowner,

While you seem like a great guy what you  are describing to me sounds like a relationship, not mentoring, which is fine.  I don't think you do it as a predatory act but I know there are those who do.  "honey I don't want to fuck you but I need to teach you how to suck cock for your future master" is an all too common form of male dom/female sub "mentoring".

My issue with you calling it mentoring is that it then creates legitimacy around having sex with your "trainee" and while they may leave you better than you found them that is not true for many others.  If you were the "worst" form of mentor, I probably would just drop the issue but you are probably one of the better ones and thus my objection to calling what you do mentoring.

Just kidding but we need a new label...how about DeFlowerer or Initiator?....LOL!




SimplyMichael -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/29/2008 7:45:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

Up front if you are a mentor you shouldn't be looking to get in their pants or do most do this to do so,I would guess thats the very reason..To teach and not to fuck is how I approach those that ask for help..my two cents and betting my views  are much different then many ...bounty


Bounty, I am curious about something.  Since we eroticize power and being a mentor/teacher carries with it a great deal of power how do you or do you avoid romantic attachment?  Do you allow yourself to play with your trainees after you have stopped being their mentor?

Taking a new submissive and mentoring tends to form their image of what is good and bad, right and wrong in the scene.  You become the standard in many ways by which others are judged (and thus fall short) and your imprint on them almost guarantees your ability to play with them if you so desire.  That is why I have always said Dom/submissive mentoring is a bad idea.  I wonder how many who are for it would still be for it if the women were randomly assigned and were less than "attractive" to them?

The reason I avoid mentoring one-on-one with submissives is the ones who seek me out seem to be ones who want a relationship with me that I am unwilling to grant and look to mentoring as a back door into a relationship that is otherwise unavailable to them.  I am always willing to sit down at an event in some quiet corner and talk one-on-one or respond to emails but spending private time together I tend to avoid for that reason.  If they are at all attractive to me I avoid it even more because I know my weaknesses...




Sundowner -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/29/2008 10:17:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
...

what you  are describing to me sounds like a relationship, not mentoring

we need a new label...how about DeFlowerer or Initiator?....LOL!



Woops - I'm slightly lost now. What I enjoy is what I think of as mentoring ("A person who provides guidance and recommendations to a more junior person for courses of action and behavior." is a typical definition) and it certainly includes a relationship. So as an example - a girl who knows she likes to be treated firmly, even roughly, during sex and who fantasises over being raped. She's never been in bondage, she's never suffered pain and she's never been owned. Knowing (tolerably well) what those three things are like and gradually exploring them with her over a period, finding that she begins to discover she gets off on being a slut and helping her in that direction; ending up with a distinctly desirable slave. That I find hugely enjoyable and satisfying.

It takes patience (spanking firmly when you'd prefer to whip harshly) but it's great fun, it's a relationship and I think of it as mentoring (not de-flowering).

Bear in mind whenever I refer to a girl, it means someone who has a pussy, regardless of age. 

(And thank you sir for your courtesy). [sm=smile.gif]




SimplyMichael -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/29/2008 2:53:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sundowner

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
...

what you  are describing to me sounds like a relationship, not mentoring

we need a new label...how about DeFlowerer or Initiator?....LOL!



Woops - I'm slightly lost now. What I enjoy is what I think of as mentoring ("A person who provides guidance and recommendations to a more junior person for courses of action and behavior." is a typical definition) and it certainly includes a relationship. So as an example - a girl who knows she likes to be treated firmly, even roughly, during sex and who fantasises over being raped. She's never been in bondage, she's never suffered pain and she's never been owned. Knowing (tolerably well) what those three things are like and gradually exploring them with her over a period, finding that she begins to discover she gets off on being a slut and helping her in that direction; ending up with a distinctly desirable slave. That I find hugely enjoyable and satisfying.

It takes patience (spanking firmly when you'd prefer to whip harshly) but it's great fun, it's a relationship and I think of it as mentoring (not de-flowering).

Bear in mind whenever I refer to a girl, it means someone who has a pussy, regardless of age. 

(And thank you sir for your courtesy). [sm=smile.gif]


For the sake of argument, you and I are having a drink in the yacht club and in walk two gorgeous identical twins, you take one home and mentor her and I take the other home as my submissive.  What exactly would the difference be with what they "learned"?

The only difference I hear is that you call what you are doing mentoring and I call what I am doing fucking, or am I missing something?




Sundowner -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/30/2008 12:55:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


For the sake of argument, you and I are having a drink in the yacht club and in walk two gorgeous identical twins, you take one home and mentor her and I take the other home as my submissive.  What exactly would the difference be with what they "learned"?

The only difference I hear is that you call what you are doing mentoring and I call what I am doing fucking, or am I missing something?


Situation 1. Both girls are innocents, you and I are experienced. You and I are both mentors if, having gone home and introduced them to spanking we see our girls again and introduce them to floggers and we expect to see them again and in due course move to singletails. (Or whatever other activity turns them on). It is perfectly permissible for fucking activity to take place during the mentoring.

Situation 2. Your girl is experienced, mine's innocent. I'm mentoring, you're fucking.

Situation 3. Both girls are experienced. You're fucking, I'm wishing I was younger and could fuck better and I'm hoping my girl isn't wishing she was with you.




LadyHugs -> RE: Mentoring/Apprenticeships (5/31/2008 8:34:29 AM)

Dear IvyMorgan, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In regard to your original post; I believe you to be very normal.
 
One can be a Sadist and yet struggle with society's boundaries of what Sadism is or is not--the fact that you are aware that you are able to 'hurt' someone is the sanity needed to practice consensual Sadism on a willing masochist.  It is that fine line that is in need of definition as well as to see through other's who identify as Sadist, as to acquire many levels of application of pain, discomfort and how the body is involved in all of this; to include the emotional dangers of Sadism; those who are not able to speak when in their zone or flying--all these little nuggets of information and knowledge other seasoned Sadists can help point out and advise, problem solve and hopefully add to your basket 'per se' as to the wide variety of Sadism.  Passive, sensual, intense and or suggestive--all skills no different than mastering an art form.
 
How one manipulates pain as to manipulate the endorphins and adrenaline; the pheromones and how the beauty of the mind, body and senses create the recipe to achieve the heights where you direct and then return that person back into a position of 'grounding.'
 
I am of the hope, that you will be able to find someone in England.  If you have the ability to join some of the Collarme.com chat rooms; there are several Dominants in England that visit the #subs_for_Domme; to which they may best advise; and I would not pass over the opportunity to the lads who visit that channel from the UK as well. 
 
IF I want to look for a mentor, I would find someone who can detail explain what is taking place, not just showing the skills but, show you the skills and then place the whip, cane, the single tail, the dragon tail, the quirt--or whatever instrument/tool in your hand and work with you until you find the correct skill for you--to tweek the skill as to be fluid and not tense in execution of 'said' skill.  In addition, I would also wish my mentor to know anatomy, how the nerve bundles connect into the sensation and the pathway to the reactions; to which pain manipulation plays a part of the electrical response, such as involuntary responses and the voluntary responses.  Further, I would look at the mentor's ability to answer question whenever they offer themselves in thought, reflection, interaction or in resources.  I enjoy the 'open door' policy with any of my students and or former students.  Learning never stops--it is a life long endeavor.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




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