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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 11:00:56 AM   
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      “If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.”~W.C. Fields 
I’m interested in hearing your thoughts about quitting BDSM, the lifestyle, D/s, M/s, however you term it. Specifically, I’d like to hear your story if you’ve returned to a “vanilla lifestyle” and then come back to BDSM. What caused you to go vanilla? What drove you to return? What was the interim vanilla experience like for you? Do you ever again feel like quitting? 
 Thank you for whatever you’re comfortable with sharing.
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If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then change your ammo.....

girl has never quite and come back...so there really is not reason to post expect to say that BDsM (the lifestyle) is not something that one starts and stops...its ingraned into the soul...its part of you...living breathing...its like being pagan... girl practices witchcraft (witch craft is a craft like knitting and sceneing, its a skill set one learns) but girl is always sprititual and her faith is a part of her as she moves through her life....being a slave (masachist, switch, bisexual, what ever) is the same...it moves with her in everything she does....
just 2 more cents to add to the throng.....

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 11:38:09 AM   
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I've quit the lifestyle before, tried being more vanilla like, really did not work out so well.  

I've been mulling things over a lot lately.  Not an issue of being in/out of the lifestyle.  I just need to be with somebody who is Open minded, into the Kink and sex, and who's personality and my domly personality can manage to work together well.

Guess what I'm trying to express, I don't think it's a matter of being in or out of the lifestyle, as much as it is being with somebody who is a match.

I do know this, I'm not gonna try to shove certain things about myself into a closet again for the sake of trying to conform to some strange vanilla standard.


Interesting, you and Omega wrote very much the same response:
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OmegaG: So mine isn't really so much a choice of being vanilla or not, it's finding a like minded partner who can appreciate how I function and we both find fulfillment.  If the outlet were to be denied to me entirely, at this point I'd choose to be solitary rather then try to make my square peg fit into the round hole.


May I ask you, Owner, is this the conclusion of your recent mullings? Will this conclusion change your behavior in any way? [Feel free to share or not, as you are comfortable, of course.]

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 11:52:14 AM   
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Poen;

Your post made me tired. I'm so glad you've found Him and you guys are so great together.

Cheers to you both,

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 12:05:22 PM   
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If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then change your ammo.....

girl has never quite and come back...so there really is not reason to post expect to say that BDsM (the lifestyle) is not something that one starts and stops...its ingraned into the soul...its part of you...living breathing...its like being pagan... girl practices witchcraft (witch craft is a craft like knitting and sceneing, its a skill set one learns) but girl is always sprititual and her faith is a part of her as she moves through her life....being a slave (masachist, switch, bisexual, what ever) is the same...it moves with her in everything she does....
just 2 more cents to add to the throng.....

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nuts in times of distress....


See, I understand this, but I mean living without an expression of the dynamic, of that part of yourself, or at least without engaging in looking for someone with whom to realize it.

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 2:18:45 PM   
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May I ask you, Owner, is this the conclusion of your recent mullings? Will this conclusion change your behavior in any way? [Feel free to share or not, as you are comfortable, of course.]


Subtree, my name is Chaz (for those who don't already know).  This account I'd using actually was a secondary account, I can't reopen whiplashsmile and have it link back up to the message boards here.   

I've been mulling a lot of things around lately, just not BDSM, even with Music and work.  Being Diverse, Open Minded and Eclectic has it's advantages and it has it's draw backs at the same time.   BDSM is in many regards similar to different Genres of Music. Anyways, I Love many things and aspects.

I've been mulling around the Pro's and Con's of my past relationships, trying to go ennie, mennie, minny, moe...  Should I go M/s again, Dom Couple, D/s... Just what the hell is my set preference.   In all honestly,  It has very little to do with the type of relationship and more about the actual relationship itself. 

Personally, I tend to get along with either and s or D type.  It's more a question of personality and mentality.  I wish I could say any submissive would do, or any Domme or vanilla girl would do, but that's not the case.

There are aspects of M/s and Dom couple relationships that I really sincerely enjoyed.  A little hard to pick on specific.  Kind of like trying to come up with an honest answer when somebody asks what if your most favorite christmas gift you've ever recieved.  LOL... Sorry, I've recieved many gifts over the years that I've honestly enjoyed.

I know that any relationship I'm in does not magically make me any less DOM.   Trust me, my attempts at trying to Squeeze into some Vanilla reality totally failed me.

Basically, I feel I need to be with a like minded partner, or somebody who's rather adaptive to my Domly Personality.  Yes, I do enjoy one who serves me and is there for me.   Make no mistake I enjoy slaves/submissives,  I also enjoy Dom think tanks and the whole mutual friction and pushing.   Anyways, again it's not the relationship structure as much as it is the personality of whom I'm involved with.

I have very little patience for somebody who's not really all that bright.   For example, one relationship I was in, I came home to smoldering mess in the Oven.  She had taken the pie out of the tin and placed it center rack without anything else under it.   Now, the house was full of smoke, the oven was a mess.   OK, I was upset.  However, I calmly said "Before you cook or bake anything, read the directions and follow them!".   I never once in my life would have thought I would have had to come up with such a Rule for another human being to follow.   I know in her heart, and god bless her soul, she was trying to do something to please me and suprise me with a bite of my favorite pie.  Understanding this really tempered me a lot that day.  But in all honestly, people who are not the sharpest tools in the shed, tend to wear on my patience and understanding. 

I Love artistic and creative minds,  makes a difference in how decor around the house comes to life, clothing worn, mutual interests in Art Galleries or simple appreciation for scenic natural things.  Drawing, Photography, Painting, Music, sculpture work.   If I want to go to places such as Art Gallery, a sculpure park, I don't want to deal with somebody who's all down and out about going places like that.   Need to either be with somebody with a mutual interest, or somebody that enjoys the fact that I enjoy going to places like this and it pleases me.  

So far, I've expressed things that really are more relative to personality or general relationship dynamics.  

Now when it comes down to Kinky BDSM activitities,  I'm best suited with somebody who has similar interests, or again somebody who enjoys that fact that I'm enjoying things I enjoy doing and that it pleases me. 

Yes, I'm wicked nasty man that enjoys doing dirty things to girls.   Yes, I tend to have a high sex drive and when I want sex, I want it.  Tends to work out, that I need to be with somebody who enjoys sex just as much, or somebody who's into being used for sex, because it pleases me and yes, I enjoy it.   A conflict in this department, and I'm just not really a happy camper.

I enjoy many BDSM activities, Bondage, S&M, erotic and sensual.  Yes, I do love rough sex, but that's not the be all of my world.   Yes, I love flogging and spanking somebody, I love being that big bad mean man, face slapping, choking, hair pulling, name calling kinky bastard.   I'll pull out bag full of clothes pins and use them on you, without thinking twice about it. 

OK, I need to be with somebody who won't freak out and take off out the door, when I pull out the Clothes Pins or flogger, or the Restaints and rope.   I want somebody who loves having this stuff used on them, or is willing because it's something I enjoy doing and it pleases me.

There are other things, such as when I come up with a game plan, or a course of action in direction, or the ways of dealing with something, I tend to not change my course.  Kind of like the proverbial  "Through Hell or Highwater" mentality.  I do have an open mind to talk about things, share with somebody my reasoning.   Hence, again, I want somebody who is intelligent enough to make me stop and rethink things, if they honestly feel I'm about to make a mistake.   However, I don't deal well with somebody who challenges me without any basis of logical reasoning behind it.  It really does little to change my mind.  Boils back down to my Domly Nature to want to have the ultimate decision/choice.    So in all honestly, it takes somebody intelligent to challenge me enough.   Somebody who is mindlessly up my ass about something, does not go over well with me.  Trust me!

I do tend to boss, instruct, command, suggest, order, assert myself with other people.   All depends up the position or role I'm in at the time.  Be it work, in a band, a relationship with somebody.  This is just the way that I am.   I tend to get along well with other people that understand that I'm a Dom personality, and that I'm willing to hear whatever they have to say.  In fact, I'm a bit of a feedback junkie, asking questions at times.  I do have my moments, when I'm withdrawn, and I'm in deep thought working a problem or solution out in my mind.   I have started giving direction, when at first people did not see the path I was taking, however once they saw the path, they fully understood it without question.  

I tend to have some method to my own madness.  Please do not fuck with my method nor madness too much.  Please jump in now and again and play with it some.  Even more so when I invite you into my methods and madness for a little Think Tank or brainstorming session. 

Intelligence, creative, mutual interests, or somebody who enjoys pleasing me, somebody who can assert their thoughts relationally, somebody who can respect my space in the order of the universe, One with an Open mind or a willing nature to do things I want to do.

A D/s or a M/s or a Dom couple, or even getting hooked up with a good kinky crazy off the wall vanilla girl.   What's the difference as long as things click together well? 

Has to be somebody that can deal with my Domly nature and ways of doing things.   Sure D/s seems like the most logical fit, but it's not the only option.   I know better, because of my own past realtionships and experiences. 

I do have my own defined ways for what a Master/slave relationship is all about for me. Based on my own experiences thus far.  Do I have to own a slave?  Not really.   Hell, I've seen a number of slave profiles on the other side, and forget it.  I'd rather stay single before having them as a slave.   If they were my slave, I might have to consider beating common sense into them with a flogger or something.   Some serious thought retraining or hell, I might have to study up and learn the fine art of brainwashing.  LOL...

Who knows, I might just encounter a wonderful kinky vanilla girl next week while I'm out someplace. 

Another aspect is physical attraction, I know I need this for things to work as well.

I've been backing up lately, and reflecting upon the personality and other things I feel that make or break a relationship for me, and it's not all about D/s or M/s or Dom couples.   Hope this makes some sense to you.

I have come to realize that there is a lot Fantasy and Fear, involved with interacting with people on CM or other similar websites.   There's a bit of a difference in the air, since the internet explosion as well.   It's a trade off, because it's great to be able to communicate with people all over the world, however many people are less then what they paint themselves to be at times.  Worse yet, some people try to up play and posture their orientations to the Max.   Putting on a good show of being extremely this or that.   The whole human factor and aspects tend to get buried.   Reality of day to day living sort of fades, and people wonder how you can live this lifestyle 24/7.  Mean time, I've been sitting here asking myself how the hell I tried living some half assed Vanilla life for a decade... 

For me personally, I'm just going to be open and honest with anybody about things I like, enjoy, want to do, and who and what I am.  See what happens leaving the door open to vanilla girls, switches, submissives, slaves and even Dommes.

Hope this post makes some form of sense.  Hope this does not blow anybody's mind.   I'm kinda stuck in my Orientation department of being a Dom, something I myself and whoever I've involved with has to deal with.

In terms of my behavior, I've been a little conflicted with myself... I'm starting to settle back down and be a little more at ease.  I do have my own qirks mind you, I can be rather opinionated at times.

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 2:50:03 PM   
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This is really cool of you to share, Chaz. Thank you. I'll be pondering...

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 2:52:24 PM   
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Just over 10 years ago, i stepped away from the lifestyle. i did it out of an all consuming grieg over the loss of my Domina. Her passin nearly destroyed me in many ways.
For 8 years, i lived in a completely vanilla relationship, hiding from what i really am, and that is a complete submissive that needs a Lady to serve and love. Needless to say, that relationship ended a year ago, for the better of the both of us. Now i'm trying to come back to the lifestyle. i feel a touch lost at times right now, definetely scared (my collar was a sense of security to me), but i'm making myself get out there. i've already meet some truly great people in the BDSM community here, and i'm starting to feel much more at ease.
Vanilla for me, with no other flavor added, doesn't work. i have a deep seated need to be collared and owned, to serve, to love, to be loved, to care for and to be cared for, and yes, to be trained and molded into the best submissive i can be for my Domina.
i do understand that people leave the life, i did, but for me, the other life didn't work out too well, it didn't fit with my personality very well.

Sincerely,
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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 3:16:01 PM   
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I'm very sorry for your loss. And happy for you that you've found a definite direction. Welcome!

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 3:36:28 PM   
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It's not quitting.  It's simply moving down the scale until it's the time to move back up it.

the.dark.

I dislike the implications that "down" and "up" have here.

For me I'm in a vanilla based relationship- but I'm still an active switch and enjoy all sorts of kinky activities.  So go figure that.

People do quit all the time- usually it's because they escaped to kink to start with as an external fix, only to discover there is no fix or happy utopia at all.  SOmetimes people yo-yo several times before they begin to understand it's about the internal security, not the external trappings.

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 3:39:27 PM   
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I'm 53. There will come a point where I can't be tied up because my skin won't recover. And where I can't kneel or serve because of various possible physical problems. At that point, what would differentiate us from vanilla?

I know vanilla men who find the physical stuff that many here do repellant for them but they still like being head of the household. Is that vanilla?



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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 3:48:55 PM   
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I think this is more clear than my statement earlier.  I am me, whether or not I engaged in the PHYSICAL activity of bdsm.  I would still cater to my mate, if he was a dominant, or nilla, because it is my nature to cater to my mate.
The physical side of bdsm will find a level for me, even if I am not engaging in activity or a relationship with a partner.  
But I AM still me, and would be me even if I never felt a crop again.
People say they left nilla, or are returning to nilla, or are returning to or leaving bdsm.  But have they changed?  Or has their desire to stimulate an itch changed?
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I'm 53. There will come a point where I can't be tied up because my skin won't recover. And where I can't kneel or serve because of various possible physical problems. At that point, what would differentiate us from vanilla?

I know vanilla men who find the physical stuff that many here do repellant for them but they still like being head of the household. Is that vanilla?




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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 3:53:58 PM   
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Hi there...yes, I did try to 'quit'.  I didn't ~want~ to be submissive anymore.  It was complicating my life- so I just decided to run away from it.  In order to hide from it- I walked right into a vanilla relationship.  What a mess.  I managed to screw up a lot of lives by not realizing what, for me, is a fundamental truth.  Being submissive is part of who I am.  I can't kill it off, bury it- without damaging ~all~ of me in the process.  It's not something I chose, it's something that simply is.  Like it or not, there is no quitting for me.  

I don't have to be actively in a relationship, or seeking out way to express my submission.  BUT, it seems that, in my primary intimate relationships- it is a need, not a want.  I can't be truly myself without the D/s element- and it damages me, and everyone else involved, when I to try to be something other than what I am.  

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 3:57:35 PM   
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It's not quitting.  It's simply moving down the scale until it's the time to move back up it.

the.dark.

I dislike the implications that "down" and "up" have here.

For me I'm in a vanilla based relationship- but I'm still an active switch and enjoy all sorts of kinky activities.  So go figure that.

People do quit all the time- usually it's because they escaped to kink to start with as an external fix, only to discover there is no fix or happy utopia at all.  SOmetimes people yo-yo several times before they begin to understand it's about the internal security, not the external trappings.


Agreed on the whole up and down.  I didn't like it when I said it, and could see it could be misunderstood but its taken until now for me to formulate it properly.  It's more a horizontal scale in my head than vertical althought the vertical goes with your yoyo analagy in a sense.
 
I don't believe people 'quit' because the feelings are still there inside - those fetishes and things that turn people on still exist no matter how much they might deny them but they aren't practising them.  In which case by that analagy, those people who feel they are active BDSMers but who are not in relationships and not practising must be 'vanilla' as well.
 
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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/28/2008 4:53:06 PM   
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I'm 53. There will come a point where I can't be tied up because my skin won't recover. And where I can't kneel or serve because of various possible physical problems. At that point, what would differentiate us from vanilla?

I know vanilla men who find the physical stuff that many here do repellant for them but they still like being head of the household. Is that vanilla?




I don't think so.
If you can't do any of the physical stuff, the mental/emotional is the 'anchor' if you will....
I guess with that line of reasoning, the physical stuff may be our sails; but, I could still serve someone who couldn't do those things, and I hope I could be of use even if I couldn't.
It's what is in your heart, mind and soul, I think...

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/29/2008 6:36:03 AM   
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Hi Wanders, thanks for your story; it is what I am interested in. Your hiatus allowed you to focus and so you didn't feel "other" in living vanilla? It sounds like what the.dark has described: an ebb and a flow, would you say that's right?

There are some very cool Aussies on CM; they're not too scary! I'd be willing to be you'll love it.


Yep Subtee .... I don't feel that I have in the past made a choice to 'be' vanilla and though my involvement at the moment is anything bdsm related is minimal at best I consider myself to still be kinky, just that it isn't able to be outwardly expressed at the moment I guess.... internally though, nothing has changed.  Maybe what I have done isn't so much about quitting as I haven't made a consious decision to not include bdsm in my life, it is more about allowing and needing to have other aspects of my life be a priority for a while.

and yes, I agree about there being some cool Aussies on here so I am looking forward to meeting some of the Melbourne-ites.  :)

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/29/2008 6:52:04 AM   
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I knew you meant sliding from left to right....



I came out as a FemDomme and had a well known profile here on cm. I was overwhelmed by all the contacts.

I deleted that profile and have been now been able to live the life I was seeking. There were too many emails every day in the old profile, too many people, too much to sort through.

I couldn't be 'vanilla' because that would mean not B E I N G who I am. It is a thrill to be surrounded by friends who know me as I am. I am more relaxed and comfortable in my own skin than I have ever been. I know this can evolve and I am open to change...on my terms.  

Just ME

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/29/2008 4:24:02 PM   
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I never put a name to *this* until May of 98..and it was via the internet...I was talking to someone in a *chatroom* and this person said...*hey...you need to be in a bdsm...room*...
 
It was like...huh?
 
I knew that day, by reading up on a  few sites people told me about ...that...it all made  some kind of...sense...looking back over and thru my...life. I always said, that was the day I became *free* in an area of my life I never understood.
 
After many attempts of meeting *some*...and knowing within a few minutes I had been duped, that these people not only were not *what* they said they were but...that they were very inexperienced...again, not what they had told me...
 
 A few years later...I had enough...no more hoping on airplanes...I was curious enough and had a deep hunger to know and learn ...more. So...I moved across the state to the city/s...and was fortunate enough to find a few groups...one local and one group in a near by city...
 
I attended some montly lunches/munches and was fortunate enough to run into a lady right away<she was a switch> who had many yrs of experience and because of the death of a loved one a few years beforehand... she was comming back into the groups again, checking them out. We attended a few more events together, and we stopped going on a regular basis, as I was not impressed with one group and neither was she...
 
So...off I went with her and her friends  who were all Leather Dykes, and...well, if I was going to learn anything I was going to have to go in as a sub/slave..and experience some things that I had never done...had thought about...fantasized about...read about...THOUGHT now way about..and I was going to succeed, no mater what I had to go thru...
 
It was a great oppertunity to learn about...me, but...just what my limits...were.  I was honored to have even been let into their...circle.
 
She taught me all she had learned plus some...I will always have a deep bond with...her. Always...Her friends..I will forever be gratefull to and for...
 
There were times it was a real nightmare -laughs- I was NOT going to give up...It was one of the hardest things I had ever put myself...thru.
 
After a long period of time I began to understand waht she was really doing was teaching me so that I could at some point....top and dominate...her.
 
Talk about....zoom....zoom!
 
That relationship came to an end after 3 years...I moved from the city and went back to a rural area to take care of my grandmother...who at that time was 100 years old...and was placed in a rest home...I was not going to let her die...afraid and alone in a rest home...RIP granny!
 
So...I am in a rural area again, I was not impressed with a few of the groups nor the people that *ran* them...there was to much *swinging* going on...so I figured...screw it..I am done!
 
As I beagn to go thru my toys, getting ready to toss them out, the words of a master I talked to at a munch in North Carolina...beagn to haunt me...He told me he had thrown everything out but his crop at one time, he was done...he walked...away, and here he was back. His words rang in my head that day but...it was not enough...I threw almost everything away, excpet for a pair of cuffs I had bought at The Crypt in Denver in 85<I mean come on they are NICE cuffs>...tossed everything else out and thought ok..I am..done.
 
It took a few years to uncondition myself from the conditioning I had submitted to...those years.I spent time alone...digging into myself, examining myself...Liking some of what I saw, and not at all liking some of the other *things* I was seeing...I worked on changing...me.
 
After 3 years, I figured I may was well...*date*...do SOMETHING! I dated ONE lady...and THAT was so painfull as I tried to talk to her about some of this and like most people she said...your NUTS! Besides...she whined like a little bitch just having her nipples tweaked! Its like..this soooooooooo sucks!
 
Needless to say that romance did not last a long time....
 
Low and behold...I came back online....to see if some of my old friends were around...some were..many were gone...
 
After a year...I took on a girl long distance...we would meet every few months...it was never going to go beyound that and I knew it, no matter what she said...so, I told her it was over last Oct...
 
I dont know much, and hope to never claim to... but I do know I can`t run from who and what I..am. I am ok with that today...Its ok, I am wired different than the majority...tsk tsk
 
BDSM and the lifestyle is not all about who I...am, but...its a part of me...For the folks that it is 24/7...thats great. Live and let live.
 
I can`t see myself ever being actively involved in groups on a regular basis...Groups are only as good as the leaders they have in them and the people that attend...
 
I sure won`t say....never.
 
Whew...at 9 wpm, this was way to time consumming...

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/29/2008 6:08:43 PM   
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Thanks for sharing the story of your journey, ThundersCry. I always enjoy your posts, btw.

Best wishes to you.


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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/29/2008 6:26:56 PM   
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Hi Cjan and I agree, thank you Thunderscry; poignant and just exactly what I wanted to understand with my OP.

You're very kind to share.

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RE: Vanilla is for Quitters? - 5/29/2008 7:36:58 PM   
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I only 'woke up' to being a submissive this year. For 20 years I had vanilla relationships that usually failed because I felt something was missing. During those vanilla years there were two types of sex that mainly excited me.... sex with a man who disliked me (yes, crazy I know) and very rough sex. Now I've figured out neither of those were right either.... but being submissive to a gentle kind Dom has turned out to be the best sex I've ever had in my life. So for me, it's not about quitting being vanilla, or one day quitting BDSM....  it's about being with a man who is compatible sexually, mentally and emotionally.... but I do have a feeling that any future relationships will have to include a generous amount of BDSM.

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