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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 10:37:45 AM

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I ran across a "Dom" referencing a dom bootcamp he had attended for 16 hours. WTF? is that for real? what about "sub" bootcamp, well, that would be absurd, wouldnt it? I think I am going to faint. Sorry, but I guess I thought a Dominant man was born that way, not created in a 16 hour bootcamp. What next?

This is where they learn all the rules and protocol we supposedly don't have.. and someone has found another way to make a buck in the lifestyle with "workshops and classes" so people can be a true master or submissive.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 10:40:43 AM

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No Lotus that's not what they learn.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 10:42:14 AM

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Wow thanks...what a nice compliment!

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 11:35:29 AM

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Make Money????? you know I've really run across very few BDSM/Kink events that made any real money for the producers.
Most of these events are lucky to make costs the first few years and after that the excess proceeds are most often donated to various charities. I looked at the prices they mentioned on the link given and they seem a little higher than normal but then again they are in California where costs are high. Broken down into the size of classes they seem to expect they don't seem to be able to make very much considering the number of cadre. Another reason for the higher costs may be the lack of any vendors who normally pay a fee that defrays some of the operating costs of an event.

Between the ideas that they provide 4 meals, 2 - 2.5 days of classes, facility rental costs, travel costs for presenters, no vendors to help defray costs, the siize of the classes is fairly small, They're lucky if they are breaking even.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 1:56:18 PM

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I believe I'm ok with the idea of mentoring in this field, though I also think there's a very personal aspect to just that, and that's something that is important to me. I prefer to be very 'picky' about whom I choose to draw knowledge from. To be more specific: I'd want to know as much as possible about those that that teach at e.g. a seminar as well as the organizers, and I doubt I would ever attend anything other than something that dealt with just one specific field, like e.g. bondage. That's my personal preferance however.
I think there are also lots of ways to learn, I think it's great to be creative and I would not limit myself from trying new approaches.
That said, I think the commercial aspect has some tricky aspects and that they should not be overlooked. As has been touched upon, every promotion is there to draw in more people and every trick in the book will normally be used. I think it's natural that many will be put off simply by that. Now, a given seminar may have something of good quality to offer, but if there is the feeling that the package is designed to lead you by the nose, very obviously there are people that will react negatively to that. And it's also natural to assume that the rest of it will be just the same. - If I see a concept that appeals to me I would consider it, and if I see something I don't like I will either say so or simply overlook it. -
I also think criticism is a good thing and that it can sometimes be applied in creative and positive ways.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 2:33:00 PM

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So if one of the dom "recruits" isn't passing muster, does Louis Gossett, Jr. take him out in the rain to do sit-ups saying "I want your D-O-R!", while the dom recruit snivels and cries, "I got nowhere else to go!!!!"

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 2:40:35 PM

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Whip that slave like you got a pair mister!!!

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 2:50:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking
I ran across a "Dom" referencing a dom bootcamp he had attended for 16 hours. WTF? is that for real? what about "sub" bootcamp, well, that would be absurd, wouldnt it? I think I am going to faint. Sorry, but I guess I thought a Dominant man was born that way, not created in a 16 hour bootcamp. What next?

It might have some value. These seminars can't all be bogus. I figure if someone want to attend one or more of these things and enjoys them and gets something out of them then more power to them. They are not really my cup of tea. What I really dislike is when the community takes on the mindset that it is necessary to attend these things and see and be seen in the scene for someone to be taken seriously.

You differ little from just about every submissive I have ever met or talked to You have this cardboard cutout image of what a dominant should be and any guy who doesn't fit that image is a wanker or a poser.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 3:57:19 PM

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 4:06:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

No Lotus that's not what they learn.

Cali

My comment was made very "tongue in cheek".

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 4:27:57 PM

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I'm sorry Lotus.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 6:21:06 PM

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I think its a great idea. Anyone know of these types of training camps in New York?

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/30/2008 7:36:06 PM

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what exactly is wrong with making money teaching SM skills?

*sigh*

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 12:41:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: chickpea

Haha, next they'll have submissives accepting resumes from Dominants... excuse me but what degree did you get? PhD? Doctorate? Oh yes, and that's from a very prestigious boot camp school. Aha Hrmmm... and you spent lots of time volunteering at this club? Hrmmmm.. that's quite interesting.

With a lot of advanced techniques I could perfectly understand if a submissive were to ask how, where and/or from whom the Top has learned the necessary skills, especially when it's casual play with someone you don't really know. As matter of fact, I think that would show good common sense on behalf of the bottom.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 12:56:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

what exactly is wrong with making money teaching SM skills?

Absolutely nothing. But some people seem to see that as something particularly evil.

For instance, we just offered a 3 parts bondage workshop (12 hours total - turned ot somewhat more in the end - over three days with each four weeks in between to study an practice) from basics to partioal suspension. These were small group workshops (4 couples) with maximum personal attention. We charged 100 euros for each workshop or 250 for the total package. The participants were all very happy with the small groups, content of the workshops and the fact that they could book it as a series.

But man, the criticism from the SM-scene.... how dare we charge so much money for a bondage workshop.... People just don't understand that a 5 hour workshop takes about 8 working hours for to people, and that with food and drink included and taxes paid not *that* much money actually remains at the end of the day...

Anyway, as said, the participants were more than happy so we may do it again in the future.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 6:04:30 AM

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Ok, I appear to be coming into this thread way late, so forgive me if I'm reiterating what others have said and repeating.

I think this is a kick ass idea for several reasons. I'm sorry to see some of the first few posters 'poo poo' the idea. My reasons are as follows:

Ok, so maybe he's 'born' dominant. That's all well and good, but there are a lot of things you can learn from others. A "Boot Camp Setting" would afford someone who was interested a set timeframe to learn some things if they so chose. Time is most folks enemy these days, and to be able to fit some learning into a specific timeframe works for lots of people.

It's easy to throw on some leather and grab a flogger and look the part, but there's more to it than just saying "Bitch, get me my coffee". I know Sir expects me to be a living, breathing, contributor to our relationship. And when you have that pesky little "R" word, you will always have some little conflicts. Yes, yes, I know, if I were a right good slave and 'really' was pleasing, there would be no conflict. Right. I know many Doms who have benefitted from spending time with other doms to just share ideas and techniques.

And to abcbsex's ponderance about 'what about sub bootcamp' they happen. You actually have to APPLY to go, and the space is limited because they are popular.They are expensive and tend to be located in only bigger cities, so they will require travel for some. And, because the spaces is limited, you can be denied. I've been living a BDSM lifestyle for years and I'm still trying to learn and grow. If you don't learn and grow, you get stale and stagnant.

Ok, so now for a not so surprising editorial comment: It's kind of sad to me, to see these "If he's Dom then why would he need to learn anything?" That's a very novice opinion.

The Dominants that we socialize with, or know virtually and respect, are always learning and teaching others. Sir and I have a very differant relationship than we had 3 years ago when we started seeing each other, and I'd imagine it will continue to evolve as the years pass. Literally, we are differant people to some degree.

Had we not sought out others to learn things, (both soft and hard skills) we might not be as happy.

So, I don't envy those of you who snicker at the idea of going away with other like minded folks and sharing ideas and techniques, who think you've got this thing all wrapped up. This, like life, tends to be a journey, and not an event. Things can happen that will throw you for loops you never dreamed of. If you haven't built a good foundation, you may not be able to handle those bumps that you will inevitably come across.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 6:16:43 AM

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I give you a certificate.....Yes, maybe training/mentoring helps, but a True Dominate(plz no guns here my opinion) learns by watching others, knowing His/Her sub/slave....Communication,communication. Weeds through all that He/She is given in information,experiences and builds from that.

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ORIGINAL: abcbsex

What gets me in the link provided is that they give you a certificate. What about the Dom who has been honing his skills for years, through trial and error, forming his own experience... does a dom like that get a certificate that states how they were overqualified to go through "such and such" training seminar?

From the website I saw, it doesn't look like a bad idea... just bad framing by the marketing guys.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 10:14:44 AM

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 10:31:53 AM

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When ever I read these threads I am quite convinced that many people truly believe dominants are born dominant, jump out of the womb and slap their doctors, rope the nurse with their umbilical cord, grab the scapel, cut and yell out "I AM DOM!"

I stopped reading this thread here......

Namely because I'm dying in laughter at the mental image.

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RE: Excuse me, "Dom bootcamp??" - 5/31/2008 11:19:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Make Money????? you know I've really run across very few BDSM/Kink events that made any real money for the producers.
Most of these events are lucky to make costs the first few years and after that the excess proceeds are most often donated to various charities. I looked at the prices they mentioned on the link given and they seem a little higher than normal but then again they are in California where costs are high. Broken down into the size of classes they seem to expect they don't seem to be able to make very much considering the number of cadre. Another reason for the higher costs may be the lack of any vendors who normally pay a fee that defrays some of the operating costs of an event.

Between the ideas that they provide 4 meals, 2 - 2.5 days of classes, facility rental costs, travel costs for presenters, no vendors to help defray costs, the siize of the classes is fairly small, They're lucky if they are breaking even.

you are 100% correct Archer. almost all the people involved in this learning experience are personal friends of mine. their intent and sincerity in providing a good educational resource, i thinks is commendable. no one is making money on this venture. has anyone actually priced the cost of renting a dungeon for two days? i know exactly how much it cost to rent the dungeon where they hold this class. they are not making money!
the Dominants involved have all have a wonderful sense of humor.....did it even cross anyone's mind that the certificate thingy might be a lil touch of humor.geeezz.....

the Dominants involved have skills...experts (yea, experts..lol) in many aspects of BDSM. there has not been a time when i have been in attendence at a dungeon party that these men are not approached by others to share their knowledge....they like helping others become better in the fine arts of BDSM....what's so wrong with that?

i probably should not have posted to this thread, because i am very biased. they are all very close to my heart and very grateful to them all. they were my mentors, one gave me my first experience with BDSM play and another was the first Dominant who believed in me and my submission and made a place for me in his D/s family.
this ended up being an emotional posting for me....
thanks OP for starting this thread it gave me opportunity to reflect on how blessed i have been in the lifestyle.
i will hush now.

may we all find our bliss,
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