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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 5:25:05 PM

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......let me see if i have this correct........having travelled abroad is seen as a potential security risk? Given that the POTUS has a significent influence on US foreign policy wouldn't it be a good thing if they've seen a bit of the world? To suggest otherwise seems a tad, well, xenophobic.

No, they are to put it politely, blowing smoke. The concern is the amount of influence that could be exerted on a clearance holder by people overseas.. so if say, the applicants Mom with whom he was close were still in an area of the world where she could be held hostage, that would be a problem... Having any close relative living overseas is cause for more investigation.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 5:44:06 PM

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The concern is the amount of influence that could be exerted on a clearance holder by people overseas.. so if say, the applicants Mom with whom he was close were still in an area of the world where she could be held hostage, that would be a problem... Having any close relative living overseas is cause for more investigation.

Yes in addition to kidnapped mommies, the foreign influence concern extends to other relatives such as a half brother who is an African war lord and Idi Amin wanna be, and a cousin who is trying to overthrow the legitimate democratically elected govt of Kenya in favor of an Islamic state and who herds christian men women and children into churches to be burned to death ... You know people like Obamas half brother Abongo Obama or his cousin Raila Odinga, both of whom are such radically muslim anti-American pieces of shit that George Bush probably has a Predator Drone looking to take them out...

In all seriousness, while the list is not published I would not be at all surprised if Odinga was on a "kill on sight" CIA target list and he sure as hell belongs there... The question is under an Obama presidency would he stay there??? Or would US troops be committed to help bring Sharia law and an Odinga headed dictatorship to Kenya...

That foreign influence is one of MANY security concerns with Obama...

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 6:01:46 PM

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Yay! More and more people are saying that: it's fantastic :-) .

Isn't it? I practically cheered when the news said he had the nomination.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 6:04:03 PM

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 6:05:13 PM

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While the concerns expressed might be reasonable, snd worth some attemtion The President is actually not subject to a background investigation. i believe that as a public figure under the scrutiny of the press and the other side, almost anything that would cause him to fail such a check would come under public scrutiny. If the country chooses to ignore any concerns and put someone in office anyway, they are agreeing to waive their own concerns.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 6:22:08 PM

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By the way.....I never knew you were french.....

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 7:06:37 PM

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We all have our crosses to bear :-) .

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 7:37:03 PM

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend-I'm gonna vote for him.

Yay! More and more people are saying that: it's fantastic :-) .

And as I have stated, I'll vote for a rotting artichoke before I'll vote for a Repubiclan. I don't understand how anyone can say the Repubs are not the party of white privelege and corporate rule with a straight face. It's just beyond me.

Let's make it simple. Those who say they won't vote for Obama, since Hillary didn't achieve her ambitions, don't give a shit about the Democrat platform. They give a shit about Hillary. They will vote for McCain and all the Repubs stand for before they'll vote for "the Nigger".

Oh, they'll mask it with babble about "experience" (like GWB had any, hahahaha) or try and manufacture some wrongdoing for the upcoming swiftboating (Rezko), but they will conveniently forget the Keating Five and the fact that McCain has never, AFAIK, drawn a paycheck from the private sector. McCain ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer; he got to his rank in the military through his old man. Someone more worthy was bumped for his ass.

Then there's his junkie wife, stealing drugs from her own charity, which McCain's spin machine couldn't cover up. All while Johnnie was pontificating about executing drug dealers and users. What a piece of shit.

You naysayers want a reason to vote FOR Obama? How about he will appoint bi and non-partisans to his cabinet, and use actual intelligent people as advisors, and not "Pioneers" whose only qualifications are raising money?

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:05:14 PM

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As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition.

Can you provide a cite to back up your assertion that 'if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition? You've made a statement of fact, so it shouldn't be a problem to prove its veracity.

Thanks.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:19:36 PM

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You naysayers want a reason to vote FOR Obama? How about he will appoint bi and non-partisans to his cabinet, and use actual intelligent people as advisors, and not "Pioneers" whose only qualifications are raising money?

That answer works great. i am not pulling anyone's leg. The follow up questions need to wait for some decisions to happen on Obama's part. But in many posts, this is as close as anyone has gotten to answering "why should i?" thanks.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:20:45 PM

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We all have our crosses to bear :-) .

Perhaps, though in your case, I'd be curious to know if you have a maid's uniform to wear....er....bear.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:22:20 PM

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Yay again!!!

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Perhaps, though in your case, I'd be curious to know if you have a maid's uniform to wear....er....bear.

No, but I can pour a beer in the bare.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:30:47 PM

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Yay again!!!

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Perhaps, though in your case, I'd be curious to know if you have a maid's uniform to wear....er....bear.

No, but I can pour a beer in the bare.

Make it a rootbeer and I'm in.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:34:31 PM

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Gasp! You don't mess about, do you? Rootbeer... is it that stuff that tastes like cough medicine

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 8:49:30 PM

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As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition.

Can you provide a cite to back up your assertion that 'if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition? You've made a statement of fact, so it shouldn't be a problem to prove its veracity.

Thanks.

For desertion to be a crime, an action has to be filed and show that one is not where they are supposed to be when they are supposed to be there. Otherwise can be absent over leave, which becomes an actionable offense if you miss a role call.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 9:03:10 PM

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Gasp! You don't mess about, do you? Rootbeer... is it that stuff that tastes like cough medicine ?

I never mess about when it comes to naked french women. And rootbeer is good, though I do usually drink pepsi or Dr. pepper. Either will do fine, so long as you're in the buff.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 9:05:05 PM

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As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition.

Can you provide a cite to back up your assertion that 'if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition? You've made a statement of fact, so it shouldn't be a problem to prove its veracity.

Thanks.

For desertion to be a crime, an action has to be filed and show that one is not where they are supposed to be when they are supposed to be there. Otherwise can be absent over leave, which becomes an actionable offense if you miss a role call.

So what, that isn't the crime GWB absolutely positively incontravertibly committed. Try Dereliction of Duty and Failure to Obey a Lawful Order. A decent prosecutor could probably add on a couple more felony charges as well.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 9:23:16 PM

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Again, the person who gave the lawful order, or assigned him a specific duty has to show, or claim that he failed to follow or perform the duty. If You are referring to the 60 minutes story of 4 years ago, then please get a new song, and don't worry the fellow is not running this year. There was a fair amount of question on the veracity of the "Ironclad proof" offered.

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 9:23:25 PM

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Oh Jesus Christ back to the usual "Bush is a deserter" bullshit I see. A clue to those talking out of their asses... In the military, if it isnt in your jacket then it didnt happen! PERIOD. The military keeps records on EVERYTHING. They can probably fire up the computer and see how many rolls of toilet paper were used in my OCS class. If nobody can find these records of bush's desertion it is BECAUS HE DIDN'T.

Furthermore, bush was in the RESERVE not active duty. The notion that you have to do "one weekend a month and two weeks a year" is incorrect. Unless called to active duty you do NOT have to do "one weekend a month" you have to do X # of points per year. Essentially a saturday on drill contains two training sessions etc... NOW If I attended a funeral as an officer to present a flag- that counted as one of my required training sessions. If I went and sat at an airshow Fri - Sun that bought me 6 points and I could blow off saturdays for the next 3 months.... If I went to a HS or college to talk about careers in Naval Aviation on a monday morning - thats still a drill period and I get pointed for it. When I was serving on drilling reserve status - my unit was three states away and they were fucking lucky to see my face there once every 5 months. HOWEVER, I was NEVER "AWOL" (or more correctly "UA" or "Failure to Report" or "Missing Movement".) because I was AHEAD on points. In fact I was soooooooooo fucking far ahead on points that they promoted me!

Now if Bush was NOT charged, and no documents exist to prove that he was, then he was CLEARLY ahead on points and thus was not obligated to report. Remember - 12 months is only 24 days a year of drill... Picking up 24 funerals, airshows, flybys at a ballgame, pep talks at a highschool, weekdays flying patrols etc is not hard to do... Go spend a week on active duty somewhere and you picked up 14 training periods clearing your weekends for 3-1/2 months... I picked up an assload of creditable reserve time teaching groundschool to cadets in the NSSC or at NJROTC units... If I didnt want to go fly a Navy jet I could have said fuck it and not shown up for my drills for over a year at a time cause of the points I accumulated.

Nobody covered up for bush. No senior officers broke the honor code to cover for a slacker. No dessertion occurred etc... As for his failure to take a flight physical - pilots are volunteers. Quit any time. You still have obligated service but you dont HAVE to fly. If I got scared, lost it, whatever I could have walked in and handed in my wings, got myself a pair of black shoes, and transferred to surface Navy any time... So Bush didnt take a flight physical - no biggie if he wanted off flight status. Lots of guys do that by choice or circumstance.... One thing is for damn sure. NOBODY "lost" records or ignored anything or covered anything up. It just doesnt work that way. The time I went to mast for reporting back to the ship drunk and pantsless and asking the OOD for "Permission to cross the patio daddyo" is in my jacket LOL

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RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? - 6/5/2008 9:38:59 PM

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DA I'm not calling him a deserter I know the evidence does not support it but his jacket does contain incontravertible proof of his felony and it is covered by the charges of Dereliction and Failure to Obey. Namely his loss of flight status. It was definitely his duty to maintain his flight status and he was definitely under orders to get a physical before losing flight status. That he didn't get the physical and did not maintain flight status definitely makes him derelict in his duty and definitely means he failed to obey a lawful order.

If you're honest you'll say what would happen to any military pilot who lost flight status because he refused to get his annual flight physical.

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