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rulemylife -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 9:20:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

"I specifically asked him in Post 122 why anyone should vote for Obama, and all I got was insulted". 

We keep hearing this crap time and time again but, curiously, I have never heard anyone from the right ask why they should vote for McCain.


So your argument is that because someone else engages in ad-hominem attacks and avoids the issues we all should?  Great, and you wonder why we ended up with George Bush as President?




rulemylife -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 9:23:35 AM)

Yeah, there was also a radio talk show host in St. Louis fired for a similar term.  Have to love political correctness, even when it's neither political nor correct.




mrbob726 -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 10:33:13 AM)

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Personally, I'm sick of the whole primary process already, and certainly not looking forward to the summer of mud that's about to happen. Mr. Obama has almost no record to look at - he was elected Senator from Illinois, and effectively has spent all the time since campaigning - I have seen no accomplishments as a senator. Unfortunately, my candidate isn't going to be on the ballot in November - Mr NOTA (none of the above), so I'll have to vote for the one I think has the cleanest record - Sen. McCain.

edited for spelling




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 12:39:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

"I specifically asked him in Post 122 why anyone should vote for Obama, and all I got was insulted". 

We keep hearing this crap time and time again but, curiously, I have never heard anyone from the right ask why they should vote for McCain.


So your argument is that because someone else engages in ad-hominem attacks and avoids the issues we all should?  Great, and you wonder why we ended up with George Bush as President?
What?




DomKen -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 1:06:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mrbob726
I'll have to vote for the one I think has the cleanest record - Sen. McCain.

That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. McCain has a clean record? Ever heard of Charles Keating and the FHLBB?




kittinSol -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 1:10:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: mrbob726
I'll have to vote for the one I think has the cleanest record - Sen. McCain.

That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. McCain has a clean record? Ever heard of Charles Keating and the FHLBB?


Hey, some people believe in Father Christmas and pixies, you know.




Irishknight -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 1:13:57 PM)

Kitten?  Areyou saying pixies aren't real?[:(]




celticlord2112 -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 1:17:44 PM)

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That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. McCain has a clean record? Ever heard of Charles Keating and the FHLBB?

Clean-est.  As in least amount of crap.

Obama's record is only clean where it doesn't exist.  Everywhere else it IS crap.




DomAviator -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 1:23:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. McCain has a clean record? Ever heard of Charles Keating and the FHLBB?

Clean-est.  As in least amount of crap.

Obama's record is only clean where it doesn't exist.  Everywhere else it IS crap.



Celtic, exactly! As I pointed out in the What if? thread. Barrack Hussein Obama wouldnt even be able to obtain a security clearance needed to be a janitor at many NASA buildings! The man is a walking example of every answer that is wrong on a security clearance application (foreign travel, foreign schooling, relatives who arent US Nationals, associates with radicals etc) and there is no way in hell he could pass a SSBI... Yet he is running for President. Absolutely scary as hell....




mrbob726 -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 2:06:01 PM)

http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/057c1e77-adad-45ae-b11b-251e17be93e2

"After 1999, the only member of the Keating Five remaining in the U.S. Senate was John McCain, who is the Republican candidate in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Before McCain was named the presumptive nominee, The New York Times ran an article on January 28, 2008 revisiting the scandal in addition to some other allegations of inappropriate behavior by McCain. Robert S. Bennett, whom McCain had hired to represent him in this matter, defended McCain's character and was one of many people who criticized the piece. Bennett, who was the special investigator during the Keating Five scandal that The Times revisited in the article, said that he fully investigated McCain back then and suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee to not pursue charges against McCain because of "no evidence against him." Bennett was coincidentally on Hannity and Colmes the night the story broke to talk about his autobiography. On the show, he said that he felt the Committee pursued charges against McCain because, without him, the case would have been entirely against Democrats.[7]. "

Edited to add:

The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform—spearheaded by U.S. Sen. David Boren (D-OK)—but most attempts died in committee. A weakened reform was passed in 1993. Substantial campaign finance reform was not passed until the adoption of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002

In my opinion, no politician has a "clean" record - but Sen. McCain has the "cleanest" of the available choices.




orfunboi -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 3:52:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

"I specifically asked him in Post 122 why anyone should vote for Obama, and all I got was insulted". 

We keep hearing this crap time and time again but, curiously, I have never heard anyone from the right ask why they should vote for McCain.


Maybe the people on the right already know why they should vote for McCain.


So, why should I vote for Obama?




BoiJen -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 4:08:35 PM)

well, let's put it this way...

The biggest and almost only REAL direct power the president has is as Commander In Chief of the US Armed Forces. Given the situation as it is in the middle east and US blood being over there...I'm not gonna vote for a novice in the ways of military experience when there's a decorated war verteran available. GWB had/has no combat experience. He might somewhere in his little brain have some combat training but he has no experience at all.

The presidential veto is easier to overcome than it is for the check and balance system to redirect Presidential military orders.

I'm gonna vote for the guy who's reputation speaks for him. And while it's not the ideal reputation for my world, it's a lot better than the-man-without-the-plan-Obama.

And before anybody starts saying "Jen, you damned republican..." I'm not...I'ma Southern Democrat. I am not racist...ask my ex. I am terrified of the situations Obama would have the chance of putting this country in. I'm not relying on the company either candidate keeps. I'm looking at their choices within their lives that relfect their character and choices as presidential candidates.

boi....
who's got money McCain is gonna kiss the ground Obama walks on...because McCain will win by a landslide




kittinSol -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 4:10:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I am racist...ask my ex. I am terrified of the situations Obama would have the chance of putting this country in.



Is this an admission, a confession, a lapsus, or a typo?




BoiJen -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 4:35:51 PM)

A typo




DomKen -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 9:08:29 PM)

Anybody notice that when the choice was between a Democratic decorated war hero and a non veteran the right wingers made a big deal about how that experience wasn't relevant and then attacked the man's service record while now that it is a Republican decorated war hero and a non veteran the self same right wingers are putting all their stock in military experience?




Alumbrado -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 9:11:21 PM)

Nixon was so too a veteran




DomAviator -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 9:16:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Nixon was so too a veteran


As were Reagan, George H. Bush, and George W. Bush...  




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/4/2008 9:35:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Nixon was so too a veteran


As were Reagan...  



         Oh yes, those long ago days when Hollywood would actually support the U.S. in a war...




KaineD -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/5/2008 4:02:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

Celtic, exactly! As I pointed out in the What if? thread. Barrack Hussein Obama wouldnt even be able to obtain a security clearance needed to be a janitor at many NASA buildings! The man is a walking example of every answer that is wrong on a security clearance application (foreign travel, foreign schooling, relatives who arent US Nationals, associates with radicals etc) and there is no way in hell he could pass a SSBI... Yet he is running for President. Absolutely scary as hell....


Quite frankly I find your attitude disgusting and lacking any real merit.

He has relatives who aren't US nationals?  Oh no!!  *shock*

Here's a shocker for you... so do about 80% of Americans.  Why?  'Cause most Americans when you go into family history aren't of American origin.  Only the 'Indians' are truely native.  How can it be any surprise that an American would likely have aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents living in other countries?

I have relatives in Canada and America.  Does that somehow make my American and Canadian cousins bad people?

"Oh no!  His middle name is Hussein!!  RUN FOR THE HILLS!!"




FirmhandKY -> RE: Does Obama have the Democratic Nomination? (6/5/2008 11:08:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

Celtic, exactly! As I pointed out in the What if? thread. Barrack Hussein Obama wouldnt even be able to obtain a security clearance needed to be a janitor at many NASA buildings! The man is a walking example of every answer that is wrong on a security clearance application (foreign travel, foreign schooling, relatives who arent US Nationals, associates with radicals etc) and there is no way in hell he could pass a SSBI... Yet he is running for President. Absolutely scary as hell....


Quite frankly I find your attitude disgusting and lacking any real merit.

Then you obviously have no experience with SSBI's, nor the security approval process. 

In other words, you do not understand what he is saying, and are basing your attitude on a lack of knowledge and your own prejudices.

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

He has relatives who aren't US nationals?  Oh no!!  *shock*

Here's a shocker for you... so do about 80% of Americans.  Why?  'Cause most Americans when you go into family history aren't of American origin.  Only the 'Indians' are truely native.  How can it be any surprise that an American would likely have aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents living in other countries?

I have relatives in Canada and America.  Does that somehow make my American and Canadian cousins bad people?

"Oh no!  His middle name is Hussein!!  RUN FOR THE HILLS!!"


See my above comments.

Firm




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