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FullCircle -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 4:14:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval
"How to Survive a Disaster"


Plenty of captain Birdseye fishfingers.




NumberSix -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 4:19:03 PM)

Ja, and find a girl who likes to suck, that will take the edge off alotta crazy shit.

6




FullCircle -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 4:22:36 PM)

I felt the need, the need to type something.[8|]




Irishknight -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 4:56:36 PM)

Fight when you can win.  Run when you cannot.  Learn which tactic is necessary as quickly as possible.

I agree with Popeye that the most likely thing to happen is a depression.  My family and I are already preparing.  We've paid off our home and vehicles.  We're raising our own food.  We even use a clothes line instead of a dryer.  We'll weather it alright even if I have to break out the shotguns and the .40 cal to keep what is ours.




DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 9:39:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

Fight when you can win.  Run when you cannot.  Learn which tactic is necessary as quickly as possible.

I agree with Popeye that the most likely thing to happen is a depression.  My family and I are already preparing.  We've paid off our home and vehicles.  We're raising our own food.  We even use a clothes line instead of a dryer.  We'll weather it alright even if I have to break out the shotguns and the .40 cal to keep what is ours.


In my area - the most probable scenarious are

1) Hurricaine - which Ive got well covered - starting with the design of my house, which uses masonary and steel framing rather than wood. In a post NOLA type flooding I would essentially only need to replace drywall and interior finish items. Wouldnt even have a mold problem... I would ride that out at home, as I am safer in my home than I would be trapped in traffic in a low lying area of I-45. (Think Rita, how many people sat in the parking lot of I-45 as they ran for the hills) Essentially, get any of the shit in the yard that might become a projectile secured, drop the hurricane shutters, and ride it out in a Hurricane Party.  

2) Nuclear Accident At South Texas Project- again easily handled. Load up on Potassium Iodide Pills to do a thyroid block at the first sign of trouble, and either shelter in place in an inside room with the ubiquitous duct tape and make sure the central air had a good HEPA filter in it. (or if it was really bad don a tyvek coverall and a respirator with a HEPA filter cartridege which will remove radionuclide particles and bug out to the cabin.) The same precautions would work for a "dirty bomb" or nuclear fallout. There is relatively little in a nuclear accident / dirty bomb that cant be dealt with via time/ distance / and shielding followed by a simple soap and water decontamination.

3) Refinery / Chemical Plant Accident - as above. Probably a shelter in place situation with HEPA filter and duct tape to maintain positive pressue in the house. If its organophosphate release shoot up with Atropine and amyl nitrate if symptomatic. Respirator with organic solvent cartridges. The finery folks have good hazmat teams and would shut the leak down quickly, so it would be  a short term "ride it out" followed by decontamination... My pressure washer is my friend... [:D]

In terms of an End Of The World As We Knew It situation I would say historically the most probable is a disease outbreak / pandemic. This has occurred several times in history - The Black Death, The 1918 Flu, all of which had the potential to be much worse. The Black Death did however lead to the dark ages so I can see a Mad Max world following a serious enough pandemic. Not much you can do with that as I dont have a Level 4 lab and a microbial background and am not equipped or trained to isolate the Andromeda Strain LOL. However, I do keep antibiotics and antivirals around - Tamiflu, etc.. and have the supplies and knowlege to treat tje symptoms and maintain homeostasis - ie IV's (saline, ringers, and D5W to keep dehydration at bay), oxygen, antibiotics to fight off secondary/ opportunistic infections, etc... (Even in most serious diseases you dont die from the disease itself you die from the effects - bacterial pneumonia secondary to influenza, dehydration secondary to the diahreah associated with cholera or dysentarty, hypovolemic shock secondary to the blood loss of a viral hemmoragic fever etc) Mostly though surviving a pandemic is a matter of good sanitation / handwashing,  self quarantine, so if bad enough bug out to the cabin and avoid contact with the infected or potentially infected at all costs. Assuming you live through it, the trick then is to come out at the top of the food chain in the aftermath. If the govt / civilization fell it is going to be a dog eat dog world and thats when you make sure you are the big dog....

I don't see a depression as a survival event. There is no historical precednt for anything economic , even the great depression, leading to the fall of civilization / a reentry to the dark ages. Frankly, by throwing fish and game laws to the curb I could live quite well without money - either here or at the cabin. Galveston Bay alone could sustain me quite well feasting on shrimp, crabs, and flounder and there are no shortage of tasty edible plants or foods that can be grown. Salt can be obtained by evaporation of seawater, potable water obtained by catching rainfall, a fresh water source, or a solar still etc... Even in a worst imaginable case, where currency was worthless and the govt ceased to function, a prepared person can obtain what they need either by barter or by taking it from the weak...




popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 11:27:10 AM)

Aviator, good advice.
Actually, if *this* govt. fell I think we'd be better off!
I was thinking the other day,"do we even HAVE a federal govt. right now?"
We have a president who "claims" to be a Republican but isn't.
Bush isn't even close to being a Republican!
It's incapable of doing even the most mundane things like securing our border with Mexico.
We're being *robbed blind* by more than 100,000 contractors in Iraq and lobbyists in Washington and no-one's doing anything about it.
We can't even get State Dept personel to man their posts in that new $1b monstrosity of an embassey in Iraq because they're "afraid."
They expect to be paid $100k per year for attending "High Teas".
Ok for our Troops though eh?
Instead of "representing" us to foreign countries State have become "advocates" for foreign countries to get them more of our taxdollars in scam foreign aid programs which benefit, ...you guessed it, the Lobbyists on "K" street and big business!
Those programs don't even *remotely* benefit the American People.
Big corporations are raping the American People!
The lobbyists and credit card cos had the usury laws overturned and can now charge up to *30%* on the *VIG*!
I don't see how this is *our* government anymore.
It's become a free for all in Washington, a $feeding frenzy$ by Lobbyists and big business to see who can tear the biggest chunk of meat from the Taxpayers before Bush goes because they know he's too dumb to even realise that it's going on much less do anything to stop it.
Washington is now a Cleptocracy!
Between now and Jan 20th 2009 there'll be stealing of Taxpayer dollars on a biblical scale in Washington. It really will be a "frenzy."
They think all that stealing will be just tacked onto the debt of $9T.
The "richest" suberbs in the country used to be in Connecticut. Not anymore, now they're in the Virginia suberbs of Washington where a lot of Lobbyists live!
They figure that it would be about $31k for each manjack, woman and child to pay off that $9T debt.
I don't know about you Buddy but I ain't paying! Fuck T-H-E-M!
I don't know how Justice can prosecute the Mafia or organized crime but not go after all those Lobbyists, many of them "former" congressmen and senators!
That's how you become rich in this country, you go after Taxpayer Dollars!
Manufacture things? Pfft!
There are lobbyist companies now who's *sole purpose* is to get U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for their "clients"; *Foreign Countries!*
I mean this is like an un-armed robbery!
The corruption in Washington is almost *beyond comprehension* now.
There's just *no way* that we're ever going to be able to pay this credit card bill of $9 Trillion Dollars that those criminals are now charging up *without* some type of bankruptcy!
That's what's going to get us, a worthless currency.
I'm 57 years old and I've never see this level of Greed in my lifetime.
If I owned any U.S. Govt Bonds I'd get rid of them!
When we go into receivership they'll be worthless.




DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 12:28:22 PM)

Popeye, I agree wholeheartedly with the statements on the economy etc. While I try not to get into my finances on here - I will say that I have VERY little money in the market and am a "major customer" to no bank because I dont trust FDIC and the stability of any one bank. Just to throw out a round number Im not goint to keep 50K in one bank as many do - rather Ill keep 5K in 10 banks. This also has the advantage of letting me get access to a substantial amount of  money FAST if I need to, even at the Walgreens at 3am! (Remember most ATM cards have a cash withdrawal limit of betweem $300 and $500 per day. If I have all my eggs in one basket I can only get $500 per day. By carrying accounts in multiple banks I can get $500 from Wells Fargo $500 from the JSC Credit Union $500 from WaMu $500 from First Natl Bank of Texas etc.... To some this might seem like silly paranoia - BUT its nice to know I can get the money I need without running into daily limits, and you never know when you will need it. Case in point, I had to bail out a girlfriend. By being able to raise the $5000 from different ATM cards, I didnt have to leave her sitting in jail overnight until the bank opened in the morning nor did I have to utilize the services of a bondsman.   (So when she appeared I got my whole $5000 back, rather than paying a bondsman $500 that would be "lost" as his fee... This is equally useful if you see a great deal on a cool toy at a garage sale, encounter a guy in a bar looking to unload a chest full of SnapOn tools for $1000, if you need bug out money fast, or if you fear that your bank may fold... US Currency says "In God We Trust" not "In The Federal Reserve and FDIC We Trust".. and I dont trust in the FDIC or the Fed! LOL

Another thing I do, is I try to invest in small business / tangible goods / real property. I have some money in the market but if that pulls a fast one - what do I have .My broker doesnt even issue paper stock certifificates - so its not like I could even sell an "Enron Common Stock" certificate on Ebay as a collectible. LOL I would rather invest that money in something tangible where I have tools, equipment, inventory. etc... I stick money in all kinds of weird shit - LOL. While my main business is aviation training, I have stuck money into all sorts of weird things - even a booth at a Mexican Flea Market that sells lingerie and "slut wear" to the lower class Latinas... (You know those belly shirts that say "Sexy Mamacita" in glitter, and the shorts with stuff written on the ass, and the shit jewlery that turns your ear lobes green etc? LOL) {Before I am accused of racism, I am NOT saying all latinas are sluts NOR am I saying they are all lower class. However, these are "barrio types" and they absolutely love the shit which is so fucking kitchy that no self respecting woman of any race would wear it... Even the girl who runs the booth laughs at the ugly garbage we sell like crazy.} Sounds crazy, but after I pay the latina San Jac student who mans the booth, the booth rental, and buy the merchandise, I still net about $500 - $600 a month from it which is a better ROI than I would get in a CD or in the market. Money that comes to me on Sunday night in a brown paper bag isnt subject to the instabilities of the market... [:D]




popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 12:35:57 PM)

Dom, you are a wise man!
I didn't realize that "Latino" was a "race" though, isn't it an "ethnic group?"
And what kind of women are you going out with that need to be "bailed out?"




Aynne -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 12:42:25 PM)

Ignoring DA's "latina" comments and merely wondering not only what kind of women need to be bailed out, but having worked in bars for a decade, even OUI's and minor drug arrests don't even top 1 grand, so what kind of hoochie you dating DA that sets you back 5k to bail her ass out? 




Irishknight -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 12:43:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Ignoring DA's "latina" comments and merely wondering not only what kind of women need to be bailed out, but having worked in bars for a decade, even OUI's and minor drug arrests don't even top 1 grand, so what kind of hoochie you dating DA that sets you back 5k to bail her ass out? 

Must be a damned good one if he's willing to pay it.




NorthernGent -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 12:57:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

For christ sake, this is not Mad Max world you know...[8|]

I don't plan on the apocolypse or a terrorist invasion while I am at the market and getting a pedicure..sheesh.  



'Worst we have to contend with over here is the water based punishment of the lord.....but don't you actually have disasters over there? Earthquakes, tornados and the like....




DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 1:08:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Ignoring DA's "latina" comments and merely wondering not only what kind of women need to be bailed out, but having worked in bars for a decade, even OUI's and minor drug arrests don't even top 1 grand, so what kind of hoochie you dating DA that sets you back 5k to bail her ass out? 


OK, the latina comment was not meant to be offensive... There are latinas of all classes, including the extremely nice one who is a college student who runs this thing for me and who wouldnt be caught dead wearing the shit she sells. (I have to have a latina run it cause #1 Im not gonna sit there all weekend and #2 The customers dont speak english)  The customers however are VERY low class illegals who thing garbage is high fashion LOL. Im not sure if its a race or an ethnicity or what... I see it as a race on forms as "Hispanic" so Im assuming its a race??? I dont know.

As for the girl I needed to bail out- LOL She was actually a very sweet but painfully dumb woman who worked at Walgreens while studying for her teaching degree. (Starting in August shes a second grade teacher) She is devoutly Baptist, and is just a simple soul who doesnt know when to shut up and drop the feisty texas girl thing LOL Ever seen Urban Cowboy? Well lets just say if Bud and Sissy had a daughter her name would be BrittneyLee... LOL

She got nailed for doing 82 mph in a school zone, and then resisting arrest with violence etc... Essentially she was speeding down a "nothing" road when a town popped up, first thing in the town was the school. She didnt see this little "town" and apparently missed the speed zone sign so she blew threw at 82 mph in a 20 zone. The cop gave her attitude she gave him attitude back, he dragged her out of the car window by the hair and she kicked him in the balls etc...  She wound up getting the snot beat out of her - and getting nailed for reckless endangerment, unsafe operation of a motorvehicle, speeding, disorderly conduct, verbal assualt on a peace officer, resisiting arrest with violence, and a few other things.  (The moral to the story being - dont piss off texas cops. If she had cried and kept her mouth shut she probably would have gotten a warning.)   By the time she finally got her phone call she had been in custody for over 9 hours and the banks were closed.

On the bright side, my lawyer got everything dismissed except one traffic violation which he pled down to "failure to obey a traffic control device"...




popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 1:20:03 PM)

Hmm, I'm going to start writing in "Celtic" on those forms under, "Other Race".
People are so stupid these days that I'll go right to the head of the line.
Dumb govt clerk;
"Hey, aren't you caucaision?"
"Me? Oh no, I'm "Celtic"
"We're sort of like caucaisions but we're a whole different branch from them."
"Why? You're not *predjudiced* against Celtics, are you?"
"Oh no! No! Go right to the head of the line Sir!"
"Well good! I'm not *predjudiced* against caucaisions either."

Dumb m..r f..k...rs.




Aynne -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 1:22:36 PM)

We do indeed. However not in my part of the country, New England. Just too much snow, and that is actually a bonus when you like to snowmobile and ski[:D].   


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

For christ sake, this is not Mad Max world you know...[8|]

I don't plan on the apocolypse or a terrorist invasion while I am at the market and getting a pedicure..sheesh.  



'Worst we have to contend with over here is the water based punishment of the lord.....but don't you actually have disasters over there? Earthquakes, tornados and the like....




Aynne -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 1:24:55 PM)

Jaysus DA, I guess that is 5 grand worth of badness. And sheer stupidity. A teacher you say? Makes me glad I do not have kids, good grief.




DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 1:26:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Hmm, I'm going to start writing in "Celtic" on those forms under, "Other Race".
People are so stupid these days that I'll go right to the head of the line.
Dumb govt clerk;
"Hey, aren't you caucaision?"
"Me? Oh no, I'm "Celtic"
"We're sort of like caucaisions but we're a whole different branch from them."
"Why? You're not *predjudiced* against Celtics, are you?"
"Oh no! No! Go right to the head of the line Sir!"
"Well good! I'm not *predjudiced* against caucaisions either."


Im caucasion but on more than one occassion I have put "african american" on forms because my mother is a white South African. In college I hopped in the "African American" early registration line and I fought it right to the fucking dean because I had her "Republik Du Sud Afrika" passport in my pocket! [:D] Ill continue to do it until they kill off the term "African American" because African doesnt mean black! Does Dave Matthews, Lara Logan, or Charlize Theron look black to you? They are all "African Americans" though... [:D]




DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 1:34:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Jaysus DA, I guess that is 5 grand worth of badness. And sheer stupidity. A teacher you say? Makes me glad I do not have kids, good grief.


Well I wont dispute the stupidity of it... BUT In her defense, a lot of little texas towns are notorious speed traps and there are a lot of "sherrif bufords"... Driving down here can be weird. As Celtic can tell ya, you can be doing 20 over the limit and on 45 or 610 and a cop will pass you without blinking an eye. Its like speed limits are suggestions in texas and we drive like crazy people/ (Stuck in traffic, just drive across the median and go the other way! LOL)  So I can see her doing 82 on an open road. Her problem was missing the "speed zone" sign and then trying to argue with the cop. The only thing you need to say to a texas cop is "sir yes sir". She should have cried and said she was sorry and as a little blonde the cop probably would have said "Ya'll have a nice day now maam. Ain't nothin to be upset bout darlin it happens"... Worst case, take the ticket, give it to me and Ill make my lawyer get rid of it...  HOWEVER, she had to be the tough lil redneck girl....

BTW - Teachers are surprisingly stupid at times. My exwife was a teacher and she balanced her checkbook using jellybeans. I was like OMG, its some kind of retard abacus.... 




Vendaval -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 2:15:31 PM)

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DA, please start another thread if you want to talk about your women and their woes, that being a whole other type of disaster.
 




popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 2:28:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

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DA, please start another thread if you want to talk about your women and their woes, that being a whole other type of disaster.
 



Ven, are you a Teacher?




DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/7/2008 2:35:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


Ven, are you a Teacher?


LMFAO Popeye! [sm=buddies.gif]




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