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JohnSteed1967 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 8:07:56 PM)

I personally am going to start Jan 1 2011 to prepare for the End. I am sure if your familiar with the aluminum hat crack pot theories. Then 12/12/2012 is the end of it all.

The Mayan's Calendar ends on that date.
The I Ching tables end on that date.
David Icke says that's when the Lizard People are taking over.
Slyvia Brown says She can't see Past 2012
Zachria Stichen says that's when the Space Brothers are coming
and supposedly that's when Matrayha (The Anti-Christ) is supposed to take physical form



popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 8:14:09 PM)

John, I'll make a note of that.



celticlord2112 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 8:21:22 PM)

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Then 12/12/2012 is the end of it all.

So does that mean the Cubs aren't going to win another World Series?



JohnWarren -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 8:23:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Run Aileen!  He's measuring you to see if you'll fit on the barbecue spit!

Cali



Let's see... she is five feet tall and you are five feet seven inches, the spit is five feet eight inches (designed for a small calf [they thought])

Maybe I should invite both of you to dinner.



DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 8:46:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Celticlord, that's true, you always want to try to be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
And of course we'll do everything we can to help out the liberals too!
We'll need people to fuck with later after the disaster!


Not me... Actually on my block we have had, post Katrina, formal what to do if a hurricane strikes meetings in which we discussed who has what resources and training available. For example - we know who is or has been trained in firefighting or damage control, who is or has been a firefighter, EMT, Paramedic , and we have a preplan on who will handle what - for example there are 8 men on the block who own and can use chain saws so we will cut debris and the boys 12 and over will drag it off and throw it in the bay....  However, one of our main concerns discussed was who is going to keep the uh "liberals" out.... See after Katrina we dont believe in give us your tired your poor your huddled masses, it is "dont dare come into our neigborhood unless ya 1) Belong here 2) Are driving a vehicle with red and white lights on the roof or 3) Are driving a military vehicle. We even know whose dog run will be used as the brig for those not shot... So liberals dont count on help here....

Practically speaking, in a more dire "End Of The World As We Knew It" situation - ie nuclear war, The Stand, etc where order WONT be restored.... Liberals, pacifists, and the unprepared would be at best slave labor.... The old, infirm , weak or othewise non contributing would probably be put down as would any young males posing a threat to the alpha males who established a command structure. Females would probably become brothel livestock or slaves or prostituted for supplies... Not being a dick, just being real. Think 28 Days Later... If the shit ever really hit the fan, dont expect to come wandering into an enclave of highly prepared people (most of whom will be ex-military and conservative) looking for a hand out cause welfare ended when the first EMP knocked out the computers at social services... Now its cash or dash... Bring something to the table to offer  or expect to be served on it....  



popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 8:56:19 PM)

Aviator, yup a little preparation beforehand does wonders.
Lol at "dog run as the brig."
Will you lock them into bondage collars then attach them to the dog run?
I wonder what all the liberals in Cambridge, Mass or Bezerkeley would do if a disaster struck, form some type of "committee?"
"Ok, all you neighborhood activists over here, rabble rousers over there, group organizers over there."
"What do we do if we run into dangerous unruly crowds?"
"Negotiate of course!"



DomAviator -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 9:42:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Aviator, yup a little preparation beforehand does wonders.
Lol at "dog run as the brig."
Will you lock them into bondage collars then attach them to the dog run?
I wonder what all the liberals in Cambridge, Mass or Bezerkeley would do if a disaster struck, form some type of "committee?"
"Ok, all you neighborhood activists over here, rabble rousers over there, group organizers over there."
"What do we do if we run into dangerous unruly crowds?"
"Negotiate of course!"


LOL No actually, we would capture them... Use plastic cable ties as flexicuffs and keep detainees under armed guard in the dog run. (Think Gitmo) they would each be provided an MRE and a blanket, as well as a set of yellow medical scrubs with a "P" spray stencilled on following the search. We dont fuck around in this neighborhood. Unlike the liberal communities you mention in this community just about everyone was in military aviation (most are now airline or NASA or still serve in either the 147th or USCG Air Station Houston) or they were/are maritime either USCG Houston  or Merchant. (Mostly Masters, Deck Officers, or Engineering Officers) We are a whole herd of like minded people who have been through military or paramilitary training and who serve as vol firefighters, vol EMS, or reserve Deputies. :) Like I said, Katrina wouldnt happen here. Before FEMA arrived we would have the debris cleaned up and be enjoying BBQ and cold beer... :) Were better equipped than FEMA.



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/5/2008 9:52:44 PM)

Living less than 2 miles from Ground Zero if the US were to ever actually get into a Nuke war, I don't bother to plan/prepare for that.  I live to close, and unless I were out of town completely when it happened, would be dead within seconds from the initial blast.  (One of the hazards of living as close to a major miliary base as I do.)
 
Tornados are another matter altogther, and something we face around here every year for several months out of the year - like the north deals with a nasty winter.   For things like that, I keep a well stocked "emergency kit" around the house.  Much of it pulls double duty as camping gear off and on year round.
 
Bottled water which is routinely changed out at the end of the season, top notch first aid kit which also doubles as my camping first aid kit, canned fruits and veggies (both store bought and from home canning) which are routinely rotated, small generator and supply of fuel for same (also routinely rotated/replaced) radio & spare batteries, flashlights & spare batteries, canned heat/sterno type packs for cooking, about 2 months supply of MREs (yes, I know they're nasty, but they'll keep you alive in a pinch!), my various camping equipment including a full low tech camp kitchen set up, and in cases where it's non-nuke but indefinately disruptive, a supply of weapons ranging from edged to semi-auto as well as ammo for the modern stuff and supplies to do reloads with, along with fishing gear and low tech ranged weapons (ie bows recurve, compound, and cross, and arrows/bolts for all of the above).  As far as food stocks, besides the canned stuff and MREs, I also take preparedness to the "next level" so to speak by keeping things like extra coffee - both instant and non (generally about 3lbs each) - 25lbs of whole wheat flour plus 25lbs of as yet unground, and a variety of seeds for veggies and herbs both culinary and medicinal. 
 
One thing that I keep in stock that most people wouldn't - supplies that would allow me to continue running my current profession, if "civilization as we know it" were to come to an end - ranging from keeping large amounts of a few very specific chemicals on hand (things that I use daily in my business, but which wouldn't be easily or readily available in times of truely monumental scope disaster) to keeping hard copy of my tested recipes, and hard copies of instruction manuals on things like techniques related to the same.
 
I've had survival courses both due to my involvement in Aviation and for grins and giggles because I enjoy them.  I've been in medieval groups since I was a teen and learned a lot of skills that are useless for all practical purposes Except the end of civilization.  I've taken first aid and first responder courses, been certified to give CPR, and have had to help dig survivors out in the neighborhood that I currently live in when the May 99 tornado took out half of the area.  I figure I'm better prepared than most, not as prepared as some, no where near as prepared as I'd Like to be.



Vendaval -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 12:30:41 AM)

Tastes great and less filling!  [;)]


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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Run Aileen!  He's measuring you to see if you'll fit on the barbecue spit!

Cali



Let's see... she is five feet tall and you are five feet seven inches, the spit is five feet eight inches (designed for a small calf [they thought])

Maybe I should invite both of you to dinner.



TheGorenSociety -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 12:36:22 AM)

And here I thought we were the only ones prepping for the dark days ahead.



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 8:28:28 AM)

There are a lot more people out there - especially in the central states where there's still elbow room - who stay prepared for emergencies than you'd generally think, Goren.
 
I have bolt holes planned for times of non nuclear chaos that are removed from city centers.  There's still plenty of areas around here that are remote and difficult to reach unless you happen to know where they are and are prepared to go 4wheelin - or happen to own a helicopter.  I've maintained some level of preparedness for years now - some years more or less than others, depending on the current global and/or economic happenings.
 
Does that mean I "expect" the world as we currently know it to come to an end?  Yes and No.  I expect it to happen eventually, but hopefully not during my lifetime.  I see my various preparedness measures as a sort of Insurance Against Murphy so to speak - if I'm prepared, it probably won't happen because fate won't has nearly as much opportunity to laugh at me, but if I ever happen to grow truely lax about it, Fate and Murphy will reach over and bite me on the ass then sit back and giggle hysterically.  May sound silly, but it happens to work out that way for me with things like homeowner's insurance and car insurance as well - fine unless I happen to let it lapse, then something nasty happens.



kittinSol -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 8:31:31 AM)

My main disaster preparation: to know where my passport is. Better to flee than to fight [;)] .



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 8:43:59 AM)

Only one major problem with that theory, kittin - eventually, there's no place left to Flee TO. 
 
And how do you plan on dealing with those who are already in the location you plan to flee to, when they meet you (and everyone else on that plane or boat) at the gate with guns and say "go back where you came from, we don't have the room or resources for you"?  Whine and tell them that it's not very polite, that they're being inhumane, or not being decent human beings? 



celticlord2112 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 9:06:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

My main disaster preparation: to know where my passport is. Better to flee than to fight [;)] .

Fight men, run from mother nature.

Anything else is bad strategy.



kittinSol -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 10:03:15 AM)

That is the order of things.



celticlord2112 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 10:06:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

That is the order of things.

Indeed it is. You are learning.



kittinSol -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 10:18:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

Only one major problem with that theory, kittin - eventually, there's no place left to Flee TO. 



Ever heard of irony, or derision? That's what drives me, when I think of survivalist obsessions. Each to their own :-). I don't see the world through Hollywood coloured lenses - disaster movies may influence the way some people approach life. It's your prerogative.

It's in the order of things [:D] .



popeye1250 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 11:15:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

A little earthquake maybe? A small localised hurricane? Perhaps a spot of flooding? The world's your oyster, mon petit :-) .


Kittin, I think a more likely scenario for a disaster would be if we slip or more likely fall into a Depression in this and other countries.
If you have a roof over your head, food to eat and maybe a few other things that's going to make you one of the "haves" and mark you for the "don't haves".
A lot more house breaks, muggings, murders, rapes etc.
This economy is slipping fast in the waning months of the Bush Admin.
The oil companies and everyone else are going to hit us *hard* for every single penny they can extract out of us while he's still in office.
Then there's the small matter of $9 Trillion in debt that all those companies will expect you and me to pay for with no money.
That much debt can *never* be repaid, it's simply too enourmous!
Our govt simply no longer functions for "The People" anymore.  It's been hyjacked by big business and many other hyenas.
Actually, for all intents and purposes we now *have no federal govt in Washington.*
Even the most mundane services like securing our borders are failing.
Does the name "Nero" remind you of anything?
So, if you're going to "live" in the U.S. you really should acquire and learn how to use a gun.



kittinSol -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 11:52:52 AM)

Somebody told me that I was coming to live in the most civilised area of an uncivilised country: what I like where I am is that the people are level-headed enough that they don't see the world as if they lived within a Western movie. The world has moved on... unless you choose to remain stranded in the good guys/bad guys dichotomy of the past.

It's not my philosophy of life... and guns: no, and no, thanks. It's no skin off your teeth: hey, more guns for you :-).



celticlord2112 -> RE: "How to Survive a Disaster" (6/6/2008 12:00:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

Only one major problem with that theory, kittin - eventually, there's no place left to Flee TO.



Ever heard of irony, or derision? That's what drives me, when I think of survivalist obsessions. Each to their own :-). I don't see the world through Hollywood coloured lenses - disaster movies may influence the way some people approach life. It's your prerogative.

It's in the order of things [:D] .


Quite true. Each of us gets to choose whether we will propser or perish. Each of us gets to choose whether we will do what is necessary to continue living, or whether we will trust to the kindness of strangers for our next meal.

Choice is ever the ultimate order of things.

The wise choice is to live. Sometimes, that choice means to fight. Sometimes, that choice means to flee. Always, that choice means to prepare for both. Thus prepared, one is free to choose to enjoy today, confident that there will be a tomorrow to enjoy as well.

Such is the order of things.



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