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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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ORIGINAL: softness

ok so ... it seems now, that unable to interact with my arguments ... you have become reduced to using ad hominum attacks ... thats when you attack the person speaking rather than the argument being put across .. just so you are clear. Now .. when I said I thought you were divorced from reality, I was guilty of doing the same thing, so sorry for that. I know much better than to use such a fallacy in my debate with others.

the second thing you did was create a straw man argument ... well more a straw man syllogism ...
Maturity is accepting other people's opinions
Person A is not accepting my opinion
Person A must not be mature
Now the thing with opinions is ... (I am working from Plato here as I think his model is the most useful- The Republic is a great read btw) they are *not* truth ... neither are they really *arguments*.. they are ideas, unfounded, untested, they are *at best* are blind men on the right path.

You have repeatedly stated your opinion. Fantastic. Well done you. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be able to describe the shadows on the wall. I am not content to listen to what someone else tells me about the shadows on the wall. I am not even content to look at the shadows for myself, nor even to look upon the puppets that make them. I am the type of person that frees myself from bondage within the cave .. and walks outside into the light. Seeing the world as it is, knowing full well the light will hurt my eyes.

so .. your opinion ... you look at the shadows on the wall ... and you see that young people make mistakes, are vulnerable and sometimes make bad choices, you listen to what you tell yourself about life and the world around you .. about how you interact with the world, you overhear stories about the world .. and internalise them as fear and fright.
You then create for yourself this opinion. That all people under 20 (you seem to have picked that age arbitrarily) are still children and are unable to care for themselves DESPITE what they or the law say.

so lets break this thread down
People aged 18 and over have legal control of their sexual decisions. FACT
BDSM is of interest to people of all ages, including 18 year olds. FACT
People of 18 with an active interest in BDSM are going to seek it out in real life. FACT
Public events, run by experienced people, with legal culpability, are safer than random meets with strangers. FACT

you say that young people aren't able to take care of themselves and are not mature enough to make decisions sensibly ... looking at the 4 facts above ... any sensible person with a concern for young people's welfare would be creating open, safe, and well maintained events for those people to attend where they can be watched over by adults with all the equipment to make decisions that they apparently lack.

The reason why I wont accept you opinion, is because it is not accompanied by cogent argument and sound reasoning.

feel free to have the last word ..

 I wanna be like softness when I grow up!  How do you feel about adopting a 46 year old child?

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ORIGINAL: Archer
funny how much perspective can be different when looking at the same thing.
Because what you disribed is exactly the only way I see that anyone can really prove themselves.You prove yourself through your actions. you show people over time that you belong. yet from your perspective that was not "proving yourself"

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ORIGINAL: GDSYeslil1

i say give young subs/slaves a chance we are just as good as any sub/slave, plus i think due to our ages we are easier to mold into a  sub/slave that our owners want .

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It's not an easy position to be in, you don't have any standing or real power.  But there really ARE jobs to be had, and it can take more than three months for it.  Treat it like your full time job, don't get pissed when your mother makes decisions for her, learn how to beat her to the punch.  It she really is bipolar, then you know there's no way for her to be rational unless she's on meds and therapy.  So don't expect her to be, accept her as batshit crazy and do what you need to do for yourself.

First path towards being an independent adult is not being the victim.

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ORIGINAL: Hanable

i do try not to be a victum but people dont ask me if ill do something or other.. they ask her so i dont have a choice.. which cuts into the time i have to look for work or try and help her not be a crazy ass bitch... i really dont wanna live like this.. idk who would.

H >:)