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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 2:47:29 PM   
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They have more than a right to report if they suspect abuse.
It is the law that they must.
I'm actually surprised that there haven't been more stories about people not being believed about the consentual stuff.
Good for those people.
But, if you don't know for sure how your doctor will react, it may be best to avoid that subject all together.

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 6:18:31 PM   
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They have more than a right to report if they suspect abuse.
It is the law that they must.

Oh, really?  The law requires doctors to report suspected abuse of, otherwise healthy, adults?  Is that so? 
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Screening for Abuse May Be Key to Ending It

By ERIN N. MARCUS, M.D.
Published: May 20, 2008

The New York Times

IN PLAIN SIGHT

Felicia Frezell, with her son Jacob, 5, said her doctor never asked her about the bruises she had while she was married.

.........screening for domestic abuse in seemingly healthy women is nowhere near as widespread among doctors as testing for
breast cancer or high cholesterol.
 
In a recent nationwide study of nearly 5,000 women, only 7 percent said a health professional had ever asked them about domestic or family violence. When surveyed, doctors often respond that they don’t ask such questions because of a lack of time, training and easy access to services that help these patients.

Numerous studies indicate that doctors ask about domestic violence poorly, however, and don’t handle it well when they do get a yes answer.

Felicia M. Frezell, 34, an office manager in Omaha, told me recently that she visited her doctor’s office many times with her five children during the 15 years she lived with her ex-husband, who was convicted in 2005 of raping her. She said that even though she often had bruises, no one ever asked her why until she asked her doctor to look at her swollen black eye and told him her husband had hit her.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, from 2001 to 2005 (the last year for which statistics are available) there was an annual average of nearly 511,000 violent assaults against women — and 105,000 against men — by a spouse or intimate partner, about half resulting in physical injury.

Despite such numbers, the United States Preventive Services Task Force concluded in 2004 that although clinicians should "be alert" for signs of violence, there was insufficient evidence to recommend for or against screening asymptomatic patients for domestic abuse — mainly because of a dearth of large-scale scientific studies looking at this question.

Erin N. Marcus is a general internist and associate medical director of the Institute for Women’s Health at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/health/20abus.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all

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Screening: Women Often Hide Domestic Abuse From Doctors

 
By ERIC NAGOURNEY
Published: May 30, 2006

The New York Times

Women are often reluctant to volunteer to doctors that they are victims of domestic abuse, and doctors shy away from the subject.

"The end result," a new study says, "is silence between patients and health care providers."

Domestic violence "was still grossly underaddressed" in emergency rooms.
It was discussed in just under half the visits when patients had indicated a risk.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/30/health/30scre.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin

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National Domestic Violence Hotline
Many Docs Don’t Document Domestic Violence
 
As reported by Forbes.com
November 21, 2005
By Robert Preidt


Nearly a third of U.S. doctors surveyed in a recent poll said they don't keep a record when their patients report domestic violence, and 90 percent don't document domestic violence adequately, new research shows.

Those inadequate doctors' reports also don't record whether the doctors offered support and information about domestic violence to patients who might have needed that type of assistance.

Reporting in the Nov. 20 issue of the journal BMC Family Practice, researchers led by Megan Gerber of Harvard Medical School analyzed doctors' reports on 90 patients, all victims of domestic violence.

In 26 of those 90 cases, the doctor's report did not document that the patient had mentioned an incident of domestic violence, the researchers found. Only 10 percent of the doctors' reports recorded that the physician offered some information to patients about where to get help for domestic violence and assisted patients in developing a list of steps to remove themselves from the situation.

A third of doctors surveyed said they didn't feel confident in counseling patients who reported domestic violence.

 
http://www.tcfv.org/nulceus/ndvh.php?blogid=1&archive=2005-11
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Wow!!  How about that?  All these doctors blatantly breaking the law.....Someone should report them.
 
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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 6:37:38 PM   
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In NJ there is a law that says you cannot consent to abuse. The state can charge him, even if you dont. Sooo... I tell him if I have an appointment and he wont mark me; or if I forget and there are any marks that are too shocking I will just cancel/reschedule the appointment. I dont have a dr that I know well enough to trust them with that.

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 6:51:39 PM   
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I don't know whether this has been covered before, but what do you tell your GP (doctor) if he/she notices the bruises and other marks from recent 'punishment/torture' sessions ? It worries me if they think I am really beating up my wife.Do I tell him we are into bdsm ?


Martial arts makes a great excuse, for future reference.




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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 6:55:04 PM   
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The Doc asked if I had been in a fight or if domestic abuse was an issue and I said point blank, I'm a poly leather dyke who often practices the edgiest of BDSM edge play


Yeah, but aren't you in San Francisco? Your doctor had probably already heard that from six other patients that week!

The fact is, there are a lot of variables involved, and there are a LOT of different demographics on this site. If you're heavily involved in the public Leather scene in a major metro, your concerns are going to differ substantially from those of a small-town single parent involved in a custody dispute. Don't share anything that you can't risk becoming common knowledge. 

Personally, i avoid the problem by not going to doctors... also saves me from that tired old "You need to eat less and exercise more"/"You need to blow me"/"Your insurance doesn't cover that" argument.

...dave
(currently rolling with a saucer-sized bruise after stopping a motorcycle with his leg )

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 7:47:43 PM   
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I'm not arguing with you. I agree that there are many who don't think it should be reported (for very good reasons) and many who think it should. (also for very good reasons)

As a citizen of this country, I would have to go for reporting...even though it sucks for me and people like me.

I found a very good article here:  http://virtualmentor.ama-assn.org/2007/12/oped1-0712.html

If you have time to read it it's quite an interesting read. I have cut out the bottom 2/3rds (as the top dealt with child and elder abuse for the most part.) I also highlighted some of the more interesting arguments both for and against. (imo)

According to the AMA it's quite a controversial topic:








Civil codes in most states also mandate that medical personnel notify law enforcement when any patient presents with injuries due to a firearm or other deadly weapon. In many states the mandate extends to other severe injuries, sexual assaults, and "injuries that result from a criminal act" [5]. Intimate partner violence (IPV) injuries are "criminal acts" in every state, and, as such, are included under many state assault reporting laws; several states require health personnel to report injuries sustained in the violent incidents [5].
State statutes in Colorado and California include reporting of IPV victims' injuries in their mandate for reporting of all injuries that result from assault and violence. For example, the penal code of California, which mandates reporting of patients with injuries from "assaultive or abusive conduct," is not specific to IPV but covers patients with all suspicious injuries. California enacted an amendment to the long-standing penal code in 1995 which clarified the need to report IPV patients with injuries, provided immunity for good-faith reporting, increased penalties for not reporting, and broadened the type of health care workers mandated to report. This amendment became known as the Domestic Violence Reporting Law, but this term reflected the broad misunderstanding of the true requirements of the amendment [6]. The amendment did not change the penal code, which always required doctors to report all patients with injuries from assaultive or abusive conduct. Nevertheless, the concept of reporting any patient who is a competent adult to police or other authorities without his or her consent remains a controversial topic [1213].
Views on Reporting of Partner Violence Injuries
Possible negative consequences of mandatory reporting include the possibility that injured patients avoid seeking medical care out of fear of police involvement and that police intervention could anger a perpetrator to increased aggression. Reporting against the wish of an adult patient also violates confidentiality and may be interpreted as stripping power from an already weakened person. Several medical organizations, including the American College of Emergency Medicine and the American Medical Association, oppose mandated IPV reporting by health care personnel [8, 9].
A review of the literature to date fails to isolate any substantial data to support the premise that mandatory reporting laws improve the situation for those it intends to protect. Nor could I find data that support the contention that the laws endanger victims. Mandatory reporting has been shown to increase detection of other types of abuse; large increases in reports of child abuse and elder abuse were observed after the enactment of mandatory reporting legislation pertaining to those groups [1, 10]. In the absence of outcome data on the utility of mandatory reporting of IPV, several investigators have sought the opinion of those potentially affected.
Surveys of victim advocates and focus groups of battered women reveal ambivalence about medical professionals' reporting of patients with injuries from IPV [11, 12]. Coulter and Chez found that 49 percent of the victims surveyed were concerned that reporting would increase their partner's anger [11]. Similarly, Rodriguez and colleagues concluded from their focus group study of battered women that mandatory reporting could create barriers "to seeking help and communicating with health-care professionals" [12].
Rodriguez and his co-authors also surveyed a stratified random sample of California physicians concerning their attitudes toward laws that mandate reporting of domestic violence [13]. The majority of physicians felt that this legislation possibly introduced barriers to patient care, had the potential to escalate violence, and violated patient confidentiality. Seventy-one percent of the surveyed physicians said they would not comply with the law if a patient objected to their reporting the injury, although the majority said they supported mandatory reporting of patients who presented with injuries. As mentioned, it is only patients with injuries that must be reported under California law. Hence, this study actually demonstrated that the majority of sampled California physicians supported the current mandatory reporting law.
Other survey studies of both abused and nonabused patients in the medical setting have found that a clear majority in each group supports mandatory IPV reporting, and this majority would not be deterred from seeking medical care in the context of mandatory reporting [14, 15]. And a large population-based study of both abused and nonabused women demonstrated the same majority support for mandatory reporting, but with a substantial minority opposed [16].
Some positive consequences of mandated reporting have been documented. Reporting laws increase physician detection and documentation of injuries from abuse and thus may aid in referring victims to appropriate services. The fact is that intimate partner violence is a crime, and police reporting may increase victim safety by providing immediate access to restraining orders and swift perpetrator arrest. Over the last few decades law enforcement organizations have implemented special programs that link responding patrol officers and local advocates to provide immediate services for victims whom police encounter, and this extends to response in medical areas that may not have access to onsite services (physician offices or remote clinics). Most states have domestic abuse response team (DART) programs in which victim advocates may ride on patrol with law enforcement officers or respond to patrol calls.
As in many controversial situations where little outcome data is available to support a specific action, our society must decide the age-old question: Does the potential good justify the restriction of individual rights necessary to achieve it? Our medical community has accepted the concept of mandatory reporting for child abuse, elder abuse, and assault victims because most state legislatures (representative of their constituents, we hope) have decided that the ultimate safety of these populations is an end worth the means. If we accept mandatory reporting for these populations, would we do a disservice to injured IPV victims by excluding them? If we specifically excluded IPV victims with injuries from reporting then, in many states, a man with facial fractures from involvement in a weekend beer brawl would require police reporting, but not a wife strangled unconscious by her husband.
The real ethical dilemma about mandatory reporting involves all patients with injuries. Should physicians be required to serve as crime informants to police? Will this help the victimized patient with increased protection and access to help, or will it merely aid in crime detection? In view of the paucity of data available regarding the safety and efficacy of any mandatory reporting law and the large number of patients and professionals who are affected by them, there is a pressing need for victim outcome data to shape future health policy and legislation in this area.



 




Related in VM
Asking Patients about Intimate Partner Abuse, November 2003
The viewpoints expressed on this site are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the AMA.
© 2007 American Medical Association. All Rights Reserved.



   


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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 7:55:28 PM   
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every time i've been to the doctor or emergency room lately i'm asked if there's any danger of domestic violence.  the one time i was in the emergency room for a domestic violence injury they never even batted an eyelash, never asked a question, offered to help, nothing.  i think it depends on the doctor you get as to whether or not they even care.
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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 8:00:10 PM   
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every time i've been to the doctor or emergency room lately i'm asked if there's any danger of domestic violence.  the one time i was in the emergency room for a domestic violence injury they never even batted an eyelash, never asked a question, offered to help, nothing.  i think it depends on the doctor you get as to whether or not they even care.
PM


Absolutely.
But you see where if you can't consent to abuse, and you get the wrong doctor who does report what kind of mess you can wind up with?

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 8:55:39 PM   
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actually joy, doctors are required by law to report any suspected abuse, yes even in an otherwise healthy adult. the fact that many of them do not, or that many fail to provide any help to those who are truly abused and seeking assistance, doesn't negate that. again, this is coming from one who has been there, done that, and wants to do everything possible to never ever go there again.

but you are right in that minor bruises or injuries are not likely to cause any such issues, but some of us are left with more than a few sexy bruises, cuts and scrapes as a result of WIITWD. if your lifestyle/relationship is such that you never have such physical trauma, then you don't have much to be concerned about. but for those of us who do, we have to be careful in a world which doesn't understand us and never will.

-prop

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 10:38:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: greybeardted

I don't know whether this has been covered before, but what do you tell your GP (doctor) if he/she notices the bruises and other marks from recent 'punishment/torture' sessions ? It worries me if they think I am really beating up my wife.Do I tell him we are into bdsm ?


Martial arts makes a great excuse, for future reference.






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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 10:48:56 PM   
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I didn't follow the entire thread, but I know from reading enough posts that nothing I can add is unique.  But I'm going to add it anyhow!  I love being bitten.  I mean, bruised, obvious teeth mark, open skin kind of biting.  I had all these bruises and teeth marks on me for a work physical last year.  When the MD asked what that was about, I told him, "It's from rough sex.  I'm not being abused in anyway.  I enjoy it."  He simply said, "okay" and that was the end of it.

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 10:57:21 PM   
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A lot of women I know have this kind of issue, both in "teh lifestyle" and in the SCA... both groups (they tend to overlap) tell thier doc the truth, the only catch is that it is usually best that the sub say it, and the dom stay the hell out of it, that way the doc actually believes them

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/11/2008 11:22:50 PM   
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I don't know whether this has been covered before, but what do you tell your GP (doctor) if he/she notices the bruises and other marks from recent 'punishment/torture' sessions ? It worries me if they think I am really beating up my wife.Do I tell him we are into bdsm ?


How things have changed.  In the '70's and '80's, i was never once asked about the bruises on my body.  The bruise left by a closed-fist punch to the breast is unmistakable. i was never asked by an MD if i was being abused.
 
Fast forward to 2008, and now, D/s patients have a right to be anxious.  Mosts states impose a duty to report suspected abuse on MDs and other health care workers.  As far as i know, these laws limit the duty to suspected abuse of a UM, but there may be some extension of the duty into areas like the elderly and disabled.  Personally, i look for the states to contine the trend and further expand the duty to report.
 
There is an old Op on 'Planning for BDSM Couples and Families' that might be of some interest.
 
http://www.collarchat.com/m_191964/mpage_1/key_couples%252Cfamilies/tm.htm#191964
 
Telling Yr MD that You are in a D/s relationship is risky.  Many still labor under old notions of 'deviant sexual behavior', especially where s & m is concerned.  i can't tell You whether to confide in Your MD; only You can evaluate his/her ability of accept D/s.
 
Bear in mind that, even if You do confide in Yr MD, there are other situations that may arise that may place You and Yrs in the same risky position, e.g., a trip to the ER.
 
Kudos to the Op for giving the matter some thought beforehand. 
 
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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/13/2008 3:54:49 PM   
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Ive been to medics with injuries and simply said none of your business to questions I didnt care to answer.  I live alone, and really even in the unlikley event it went so far as questions from authorties, theres not a whole hell of a lot they can do about it.  

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RE: Bruising, etc. when seen by your GP ! - 6/13/2008 10:29:30 PM   
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ok i work in the medical field, and what i have learned is there are ALOT of medical personal in the lifestyle! as for my doc no way i'm i telling him, please HIPPA it doesn't work when the doc sees your mom, dad, sisters, and grandparnets! when i was pregant i had to tell him he could not talk to my family about it until i gave him leave too!!!!!

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