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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:04:27 AM   
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This is a very painful and uncomfortable issue for him.  He grew up with a weight and appearance obsessed father who, over the years, has picked at him for his weight and appearance.

i spent most of my teen years with a father like that. he would always tell me "if you want to be popular and have plenty of boyfriends to date, then you have to lose weight ...no guy wants a fat girl..."  yes he was cruel and sometimes even worse that it tore down my self-esteem and confidence until my junior year. what my father didn't understand that i was happy in my own skin ...i was popular and could have dated all of the boys i wanted yet didn't (because they thought i was easy) ...i had friends galore. besides being thin as HE wanted me to be wasn't healthy at all.  however his stance about my weight didn't stop in when high school ended ...it continued through college and even before my 1st daughter was born.  our relationship is somewhat strained because of this but he does recognize (finally) that i'm beautiful and comfortable with my size.

on a smaller note, Daddy doesn't have an issue with my size yet he does advise me about eating healthy and exercise.  under His guidance, i have lost weight naturally (sans the latest diet fads and pills) and i'm not doing this because He has ordered me to do it - that type of dynamic wouldn't work for me. i'm doing this for me. this is something i want to do for myself.


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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:15:49 AM   
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I have not read any other posts...so be nice if i am repeating anything.

OP...get out. I mean it...get out of the relationship before his obsession becomes your obsession and seriously damages your health or breaks down your level of self esteem.




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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:16:17 AM   
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If he ordered me to lose weight, I would.  It is how I see my responsibility to the M/s relationship.  He hasn't and doesn't seem inclined to do so at this time.

However, I know he would prefer it if I was thinner, and that is triggering a resistance that comes from not feeling that he truly accepts me for the way I am now.  His comments about both himself and other people tend to make me think that he isn't able to do so, even though he may think he is and want to.  From my own past, I know the pain of being told I would be more accepted and wanted and loved if I was very thin, and I don't want to bring that fear and hurt into this relationship, but that is precisely what is happening and I feel powerless to stop it because I don't know any other way to resolve it other than talking about it... raw, honest, open discussion that may very well be uncomfortable and painful for both of us.  To me, that is still better than knowing an issue is lurking there but being ignored.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:27:39 AM   
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 Any ideas?


First, it is seldom that I see personal issues brought to the board that are not full of drama.  My compliments of having the courage to share what you have and doing so in a very constructive manner.  I hope that the responses to you are done with an equal amount of consideration and thought that you have shown.

"He sees himself as twenty pounds or so overweight and is so self-conscious about it that he refuses to have full-length mirrors in his house."

It is clear from this statement that most of his views of others is a projection of his own feelings of self.  He has esteem issues and it might be that he is using weight as the scape goat.  I am curious, is he active in some sort of  exercise program etc to attempt to bring his weight down?  or do you find yourself confused about his view on his own weight but he isn't doing anything constructive about it?  If you find him obsessed with trying to deal with his weight issue, then it very likely he has certain deep seeded views on weight.  However, if he really isn't doing anything to get back in shape (assuming he was in shape at one point in his life)... then I have to wonder if there isn't more significant issues at work.  Was he in great shape in his younger days?  or was he always the heavy one and did he develop his opinions because his high school buddies in shape recieved what he want but never got.  Is he blaming his weight for what he never recieved and projecting this on the rest of the world?

"Personally, I believe that confidence and self-esteem play a MUCH larger role in how a person is perceived than weight does."

I completely agree with this comment.  However, when a person has a lack of confidence and a lack of self-esteem they tend to pick at things of themselves that reinforce the lack of confidence and lack of self-esteem.  It is a rather destructive cycle and it will affect their relationships. 

"His comments about other people lead me to wonder what he really thinks of me, and even though he assures me he loves me and would love me no matter what the scale said, I find myself asking why I'm any different than those he talks negatively about"

There is no easy answer with this and the logic of our question seems sound.  But instead of making it about you... about asking this question and see it changes your preception alittle and maybe allow you to see a solution.
    



"His comments about other people lead me to wonder what he really thinks of himself, who is also over weight?.  Why does he insist on holding on to a belief that is destructive to his own confidence and self-esteem?"

"I'm finding myself resenting and resisting his attempts to gently nudge me into losing weight.  I know he wants me to, even though he doesn't come out and make it an order.  I think it would almost be easier to deal with if it was an order, strange as that may sound.  Could I stand to lose a few pounds?  Sure.  But... I don't want to feel I have to lose weight for him to accept me.  Accept me as I am NOW and not for what my potential might be.  Does that make sense?

I have to wonder.. is his desire for you to loose weight a way for him to feel better of himself.  If you are skinny etc.. what does that say about himself?  This question is from his perspective.   I have to wonder if you loosing weight is a way for him to accept himself.  If there is some truth to this.... Then he is doomed to fail.  His confidence and self-esteem is not going to be improved by being dependent on someone else.. it will only be improved from within himself and not outwardly.  I can understand that you want him to accept you for you... but it seems that he isn't accept him for him...

"I'm afraid it will become a HUGE issue for us.  I would rather work it out now than to let it become the elephant in the living room.  "

I think you are right and to your credit you are trying to deal with it..  and it is not going to be easy. 

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:30:37 AM   
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That is a pretty fundamental difference in thinking.  I would simply remind yourself that he DID choose you, DID choose to be in a commitment with you and DOES choose to remain in that commitment with you as you are now.  If you do choose to have that hard discussion, I'd make that the central piece of it. 

And I'll say there's nothing wrong with wanting your partner to change in some way- heck I'd say a majority of Ds relationships practice changing things on a regular basis.  There's also nothing wrong with you being happy in your own skin and not feeling any need to change at all. 

The problem is the guilt/resentment/pervasive sense of not being "good enough" because of those two not meshing that will really get you. 

It will be a tough call, and a tougher discussion to have- but I can see a lot of long term benefits from it.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:34:15 AM   
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I really think tinkerbelle3 put her finger on it.  The weight thing seems like the biggest deal to you (ha ha), but it's not.  Unwillingness to confront challenges and get through them is a much larger problem.  And, Treasure, that's a problem that two people share -- it's not all on him.

You are allowing this to fester.  You are allowing this to eat away at the respect you once had for him, and for the relationship.  Regardless of what he does, you need to fix that inside you -- for the benefit of this relationship, or any other relationship you might have in the future.

Open, honest, direct.  Every single motherfucking time he talks about weight, tell him, "You are talking about weight again.  Stop."  He asked you to point it out, right?  Stop being chickenshit, and point it out.  The two of you have to deal.


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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:44:17 AM   
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You are allowing this to fester. You are allowing this to eat away at the respect you once had for him, and for the relationship. Regardless of what he does, you need to fix that inside you -- for the benefit of this relationship, or any other relationship you might have in the future.

Open, honest, direct. Every single motherfucking time he talks about weight, tell him, "You are talking about weight again. Stop." He asked you to point it out, right? Stop being chickenshit, and point it out. The two of you have to deal.


what he said...

because you are NOT going to change him, his attitudes, his behavior...you may identify when he starts to talk about weight - as he has asked you to, but the only thing you have control over is your actions and your thoughts...and hon, if you made this post it's swarming in your head...

so, the two routes that were given to me recently were - can you deal with "this" (whatever that may be) forever, if he never changes? if not, end it...and if so, set your boundaries and stick to them...sounds simple, huh?

and in the meantime you still have to take care of you - inside! not just what you can see on the outside, no matter what is going on with hiim...

take care and good luck
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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 9:52:01 AM   
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You can't "fix" him. The only one who can fix him is himself.

It is no coincidence (imo) that you with your past of weight and image issues are hooked up with a man who has image and weigh issues.
Since his issues are a core part of who he is, then you need to decide if his attitude is bad enough that you can't live with it. Ask yourself if he never changes - if he always drops weight comments, and will never stop - can you live with it without it affecting you and who you are in a negative way? Can you love him and serve him if he continues to make comments that make you question his love and commitment to your relationship?

I spent thirteen years in a relationship with a man who belittled me - subtly and not so subtly- and by the time i got out of that relationship my self image was shot to hell. It has taken my Sir two years to get me to accept that he love and LIKES  me at the weight i am.  And sometimes it is the fact that he LIKES me, even though i am pounds overweight, that makes me love and want to serve him more.  He keeps me naked because he wants and LIKES to look at me.  And i have gone from covered from head to foot, to being comfortable around life style people naked as a jaybird!  I have had down right skinny people tell me that they wish they had my confidence - but it isn't confidence in me, its confidence in the fact that my Sir loves and LIKES who and what i am.  They with their skinny little butts and bodies have body issues that rival mine before Sir. Now i am happy with how i am on the outside.

Your Sir has bought hook-line and sinker into the idea that image is more important than substance - and i really feel sorry for him. He is always going to be a sad individual - because there is always going to be someone skinnier, handsomer, more stylish, more beautiful than him and his slave/sub. He probably does love you , but he is never going to get past the fact that you aren't skinny/beautiful/stylish enough. In the long run, the fact that you are a devoted, intelligent, competant sub/slave isn't going to matter. How awful to spend your life being ashamed of how you look, and how your companions look.

I bet he hates getting older!

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 10:37:16 AM   
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Eleanor Roosevelt said "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."  With apologies to amazing woman, that's not true. Getting criticism hurts, and knowing that you are going to get criticism hurts even worse.  As you can tell by these boards, there are a LOT of people who would love to have someone like you.  You are to be treasured and adored.  

I would tell your master that it's not your place to remind him of anything... and that he's about to lose a  toy who wants to please him because self esteem is more important than orgasms.

Personally, I'm 5'7 and 160#, or 42-32-42/size 16.  I love my size. I love my curves, and I love having a real body.  It's funny. No one has ever suggested to me that I need to lose weight.  I've had blind dates, or people whom I've met through internet dating, and I've mentioned that I almost didn't reply because I didn't feel like I met their criteria of HWP or slender, and I've also been assured that I was better than good.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 10:40:03 AM   
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To the OP

If as you say you are comfortable with who you are - fully accept yourself - stand around looking in a mirror etc - I am not sure what is the issue. You can only be yourself - so why does your Master have control over you like this. If you are comfortable - what the hell do you care what he thinks. My opinion is to let him know very clearly that this is who you are - sometimes 20lb's over others times not - but it is who you are. I wouldn't be so blunt as to say take it or leave it - but fundamentally it is like that.
I can assure you are not going to change him if he has such strong opinions on weight etc - nor should you even try - the only thing I think you can do is to establish between the two of you what are your acceptable boundaries. You also need to be very clear with him that these boundaries are very important to you.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 10:41:54 AM   
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Eleanor Roosevelt said "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."  With apologies to amazing woman, that's not true. Getting criticism hurts, and knowing that you are going to get criticism hurts even worse.  As you can tell by these boards, there are a LOT of people who would love to have someone like you.  You are to be treasured and adored.  



her statement doesn't imply that receiving criticism will not hurt or you should deny that you feel hurt becuase of them.  It simply regardless of the hurt feelings you have.. you don't have to believe yourself inferior because of those hurtful criticisms.  and you you allowed yourself to feel inferior.. you made that choice.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 10:43:00 AM   
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Okay, I'm a transgendered female, I'm just under 6ft tall and currently 290-280lbs.. I'm transitioning.. I've looked much worse than I do now and I've come down from 450lbs - through having to deal with a 'cocktail' of different issues, homelessness, gender reassignment, hormonal imbalances (I'm a mosaic type of transgendered female), binge eating and I also carry the obesity gene..... these are explanations, not excuses. I don't need excuses.

I agree with the OP.. and would even say that your image is more down to what you project out to other people than how you look. How I look doesn't make much difference.. I have a personality, I have a character, I'm going through the transition and I'm notorious in the way my appearance changes constantly. I get stick from both angles for being big and also for being transgendered. But then again most people who know me accept me for who I am. If they're smart, as most of them seem to be, they accept me as I am at that particular moment in time.

As Steel wrote people like you for who you are, and for what you look like. I could go further and suggest that other people relate to you only in terms of their own understanding and intelligence. The problem isn't just with television, it's also with the media in general and it extends right through into society. Have you ever tried to buy plus sized clothing for either gender? The fashion industry doesn't have a clue. However I'm reliably informed that in North America thre situation is somewhat better. But so many people fall for this sort of bullshit it's unbelievable. The bottom line is you can change your weight and your appearance, if you so want to, but there's not really much you can do to change the attitudes of other people if they're resistant to the way you project yourself. Nothing. There's nothing written anywhere which says you must be socially acceptable or universally popular. Nobody else is.

Your social position isn't really down to how you look, but tends to be based on what you know and what you do. These are the only two issues most people look for. What do you know? What do you do? My social position has got nothing to do with the way I look, it's all based on my artistic work and achievements. I am honest and open about who I am, I am 'out', and you know I'd much rather be hated and rejected for who I really am than admired and popular for who I may or may not be at some point in the future. But everything I have obtained in life has come through either my abilities or personality.

Two things which the popular media seem to want to destroy are minding your own business and consideeration for other people. You get some people who go out of their way to make someone feel bad or to put someone down. A few of them look on me in horror and yes I do freak out the more narrow-minded people in society. What's more I also enjoy it. It keeps them interested in life.

But you know, none of them buy my clothing or food. Most of them probably couldn't cope with what I've had to cope with in life, and their self-righteous indignation is truly out of place.These people never ask, they just assume. They make assumptions about my health that I don't eat healthy food - I'm actually predominantly vegetarian and eat a large amount of fruit and vegetables. I also go out for long walks, up to five or six miles, and I'm rarely ill. There's also what I feel is a universal truth about weight loss, which is (a) it takes time and (b) the closer you get to your ideal weight or the older you are the harder it is to lose weight. My coming down from 450lbs to 350lbs was very easy, in fact it was automatic and came from changing the way I live. Yes there are relapses, times when I think I've lost weight and I've actually gained weight, but overall I'm moving in the right direction and while I'm living and breathing there's always a chance to try harder. I'm doing this for myself, for no other reason.

But there's just some things in the OP I'd like to comment on..

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These differences of opinion are bringing up some very negative feelings in me. Master doesn't mean to be critical or to make me feel badly, but he will comment on my weight at least once every visit. Either I've lost a few pounds or gained a pound or two. (My weight has stayed within five pounds of when I first met him two years ago.) His comments about other people lead me to wonder what he really thinks of me, and even though he assures me he loves me and would love me no matter what the scale said, I find myself asking why I'm any different than those he talks negatively about.


Here I think you're fooling yourself. You say he doesn't mean to be critical or to make you feel badly and yet he makes the comments. You say his comments make you wonder what he really thinks of you. No need to wonder, ask him, directly. In fact I'd say to a certain extent both of you are fooling yourselves. This is what is clouding this issue up.

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I'm finding myself resenting and resisting his attempts to gently nudge me into losing weight. I know he wants me to, even though he doesn't come out and make it an order. I think it would almost be easier to deal with if it was an order, strange as that may sound. Could I stand to lose a few pounds? Sure. But... I don't want to feel I have to lose weight for him to accept me. Accept me as I am NOW and not for what my potential might be. Does that make sense?


I understand where you're coming from here. What's happening is that his comments are causing your weight to become an issue. This is having a negative, counterproductive effect, as it is undermining your self-esteem and self-confidence, and rather than motivate you, it demotivates you. You are right in that he should accept you as you are now and not for who you may or may not be in the future. However I feel that you need to decide whether you need to lose weight in yourself. It is at the end of the day your body, it's you who is going to be doing the dieting, and you who is going to be making the effort to lose weight. You need to keep both issues separate - your weight and the relationship between you. It would be far more positive if he were to back off and to drop the issue altogether. But you also need to look within yourself for the motivation to lose weight and not to look for motivation from him. You can only really achieve the things you motivate yourself to do.

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I've talked to him and told him how I feel about this. He's said to remind him when he starts making comments and he will stop, but that isn't solving the problem, just hiding it, and sooner or later, I'm afraid it will become a HUGE issue for us. I would rather work it out now than to let it become the elephant in the living room. As with other subjects he is uncomfortable with, he talks around the issue a lot but doesn't really deal with the topic. I'm just not sure how to go about solving this. Any ideas?


Again I agree with you here. It is when all said and done his prejudice which is causing the issue. I feel he should take the responsibility of dealing with these attitudes himself and not rely on you to make him. You are right, it can become a huge issue, one which may ultimately make or break the relationship. You either accept someone as they are at that given moment in time, or you don't. I mean, you don't walk into a relationship with someone who is disabled with the hope they can overcome their disability do you? He needs to learn how to overcome this issue, otherwise your relationship is always going to be shaky due to the fact that his acceptance of you isn't complete. This requires a change of attitude. Whether this is easy or not, or even possible, is down to him. It's his mind at the end of the day.

Perfectionism only leads to disappointment and heartache, acceptance of what is imperfect is the path to love and success.

Wishing you both well and that you can both overcome this. Drama can lead to better things, depending on how you act.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 10:52:24 AM   
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Eleanor Roosevelt said "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."  With apologies to amazing woman, that's not true. Getting criticism hurts, and knowing that you are going to get criticism hurts even worse.  As you can tell by these boards, there are a LOT of people who would love to have someone like you.  You are to be treasured and adored.  



her statement doesn't imply that receiving criticism will not hurt or you should deny that you feel hurt becuase of them.  It simply regardless of the hurt feelings you have.. you don't have to believe yourself inferior because of those hurtful criticisms.  and you you allowed yourself to feel inferior.. you made that choice.


If someone assaults you with a knive, do you bleed because you allow your skin to be penetrated?  It's true, you can stand up to assault, both verbal and physical; but once it gets through, it can tear you apart whether you want it or not.  Ms. Roosevelt's saying is uplifting, but psychological warfare isn't stopped by uplifting slogans about believing yourself. It's stopped by getting out.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 10:57:13 AM   
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No, this is not about getting him to change his views.  It is about how we can get to a place where we our individual issues around this subject don't have a negative impact on us as a whole.  It is about how we can best work together so this doesn't damage the relationship.


Well, now that more of the back story is seeping out I have to agree with another poster's comment that he has to fix himself. He has to deal individually with the baggage he is carrying from when he was growing up. He is probably a candidate for professional help but he does not want to confront the issue. That's a tough conflict. You can't help someone who won't participate in their own assistance.

I agree with another poster that he has issues due to the interaction between himself and his father and eventually you'll have them as a result of your interaction with him unless he confronts and deals with them. I admire the way you seem to be approaching this even if I could not follow that route myself. No relationship is worth sacrificing my self esteem over. I may never get it back.

Sincerest good luck to you in this.


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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 11:11:52 AM   
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If someone assaults you with a knive, do you bleed because you allow your skin to be penetrated?  It's true, you can stand up to assault, both verbal and physical; but once it gets through, it can tear you apart whether you want it or not.  Ms. Roosevelt's saying is uplifting, but psychological warfare isn't stopped by uplifting slogans about believing yourself. It's stopped by getting out.

Alison


and that is the whole point of the quote... consent is not just a "NO" don't do that... it is making choices to take oneself out of the situation.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 11:31:53 AM   
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In short: don't be so afraid of losing him that you lose yourself instead.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 11:33:32 AM   
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 Basically, he is carrying a prejudice.

Respectfully, i disagree...i think it's more a preference.  I'm a big girl...and i don't expect to appeal to everyone.  Just the same as some men prefer redheads, or a friend of mine that prefers women with brown eyes.(pretty flippin' specific imo..but he''s entitled to his preferences)  The major issue here seems to be about a lack of self esteem on his part, projection, and following through with working on how these issues affect this relationship.   
i have seen people say "jump ship" after reading basically a paragraph about a relationship without knowing any of the intricacies and nuances of the relationship personally.  i don't believe a 20 year relationship can be so disposable.  Then again what do i know???  i have no relationship LOL.  Best wishes to the OP.

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 11:45:23 AM   
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I see this as him having deap-seated issues, issues that have NOTHING to do with you, or your weight. You can't change him. My question is, can you live with him and be happy?

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 11:55:55 AM   
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to the OP > How superficial ,shallow and damaging those words and actions  must be for you and to have that stuff placed upon you .It must be just draining to be thought of by your exterior self .If your healthy that is what matters mind body and soul and happiness.To have things said like ooh i will wait  for you while you loose weight is just insulting .Alot of good advice here and as most say and i agree with do what is best for you , if it means leaving do so , for the betterment of you .
Perhaps he picked the wrong actions and words and does care about you and your health but instead  stuck his foot in places not normally placed , but thats your call you know him better .Never stop being the best you and screw the negative s .
best wishes .

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RE: a touchy subject but need advice - 6/7/2008 12:57:07 PM   
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I don't have much time today to post.   The one thing that stands out the most to me in your OP is this.

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"He has the same issues with himself.  He sees himself as twenty pounds or so overweight and is so self-conscious about it that he refuses to have full-length mirrors in his house."


Sounds like he is the one having a personal struggle with weight.  That perhaps if he were to loose a few pounds it would make a difference in how people accept him. 

I honestly don't think this can resolved until he can resolve how he himself views himself.  Just simply not having full length mirrors does not change anything.  You know out of sight out of mind does not force one to deal with the issue they are having.

In all honestly, perhaps somebody discrimnated againts him because of his weight at one time.  Perhaps he was a little over weight back in Grade School and had other kids make fun of him.   Something somewhere in his past has shaped his views on weight today. 


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