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NorthernGent -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:08:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Yes, in a world where we apparently ' care ' about people and like to right all wrongs, why is this being allowed to continue;



Apparently being the operative word.




popeye1250 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:11:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Yes, in a world where we apparently ' care ' about people and like to right all wrongs, why is this being allowed to continue;



Apparently being the operative word.


NG, so you'll be willing to pick up a rifle and go over and "do something" about it then, eh?
Hey, let's activate the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" for all those who wish to solve problems in foreign countries!
Ok, who wants to enlist?




NorthernGent -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:20:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Yes, in a world where we apparently ' care ' about people and like to right all wrongs, why is this being allowed to continue;



Apparently being the operative word.


NG, so you'll be willing to pick up a rifle and go over and "do something" about it then, eh?



Not at all. I can't say I lose any sleep over the issue, but......certain vested interests are exacerbating the situation.




DomAviator -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:21:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

NG, so you'll be willing to pick up a rifle and go over and "do something" about it then, eh?
Hey, let's activate the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" for all those who wish to solve problems in foreign countries!
Ok, who wants to enlist?


Pull the A-6E's out of mothballs, sell them to Blackwater, pay me well enough and Ill go :D I LOVE flying strike, I actually looked into flying as a merc with a South African company but nobody flies any modern fixed wing equipment as a mercanary. They are all rotorheads. [:(] 




Irishknight -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:23:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

NG, so you'll be willing to pick up a rifle and go over and "do something" about it then, eh?
Hey, let's activate the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" for all those who wish to solve problems in foreign countries!
Ok, who wants to enlist?


Pull the A-6E's out of mothballs, sell them to Blackwater, pay me well enough and Ill go :D I LOVE flying strike, I actually looked into flying as a merc with a South African company but nobody flies any modern fixed wing equipment as a mercanary. They are all rotorheads. [:(] 

That's funny.  I was gonna go work for them rewiring helos.  If I didn't have a wife and kid now, I probably still would.




popeye1250 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:27:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

NG, so you'll be willing to pick up a rifle and go over and "do something" about it then, eh?
Hey, let's activate the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" for all those who wish to solve problems in foreign countries!
Ok, who wants to enlist?


Pull the A-6E's out of mothballs, sell them to Blackwater, pay me well enough and Ill go :D I LOVE flying strike, I actually looked into flying as a merc with a South African company but nobody flies any modern fixed wing equipment as a mercanary. They are all rotorheads. [:(] 


Dom, the problem with that though is that somehow in the tangled web we weave that U.S. Taxpayers would (again) be being ripped off by paying for it.

Dom and Irish, you guys would be different.
You'd be doing it for the money! Mercinaries.
I want to see *liberal idealists* with *rifles* in their hands having the *courage of their convictions* and actually risking their lives.
Talk is cheap in Cambridge, Mass!




kiwisub12 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:27:22 PM)

While we are gripping about Israel/palestine, lets look at East Timor, Dafur, and a few other hot spots.   The media tells us what a shame it is, we all agree solomely and nothing is done about systematic genocide.

Should we as relatively intelligent, occasionally thinking individuals "do" something about mass murder by politicians?




Vendaval -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:30:48 PM)

Who benefits from the situation and how?  And who would loose if the situation was resolved peacfully?
 
You sum it up nicely here.
 
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
I can however detect many instances where members of my family have died  for the wants of the elite.

And guess what, it is not the elite that spill blood on foreign shores, but the common or garden citizens like you and me.





Irishknight -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:32:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

While we are gripping about Israel/palestine, lets look at East Timor, Dafur, and a few other hot spots.   The media tells us what a shame it is, we all agree solomely and nothing is done about systematic genocide.

Should we as relatively intelligent, occasionally thinking individuals "do" something about mass murder by politicians?

Yes.  we should by them all tickets to see Oprah.




popeye1250 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:32:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

While we are gripping about Israel/palestine, lets look at East Timor, Dafur, and a few other hot spots.   The media tells us what a shame it is, we all agree solomely and nothing is done about systematic genocide.

Should we as relatively intelligent, occasionally thinking individuals "do" something about mass murder by politicians?


Kiwi, so you'd be enlisting in the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" then?




kiwisub12 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:35:54 PM)

Nah- i do my bleeding heart liberal thing in Honduras as part of a sugical medical mission. I would rather do something myself , then deligate it to someone else. There is enough misery in the world to go around.




FullCircle -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:38:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Who benefits from the situation and how?  And who would loose if the situation was resolved peacfully?
 
You sum it up nicely here.



People that sell security options




kittinSol -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:40:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Talk is cheap in Cambridge, Mass!



Speaking of cheap talk... do you do much else [8D] ?




popeye1250 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:41:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Nah- i do my bleeding heart liberal thing in Honduras as part of a sugical medical mission. I would rather do something myself , then deligate it to someone else. There is enough misery in the world to go around.


Well that's good.
In Cambridge, Mass and Bezerkely, Calif. they all want,..."The Troops" to do it.
Of course their highest aspirations are for a desk job at $100k per year at the U.S. State Dept or the "U.N." so that they can,.....(don't throw up!)....."change the world!"
"Profiles in Courage" all!




kiwisub12 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:53:16 PM)

hehe - i have noticed that "changing the world" reallt means changing it to what "you" think it should be - and not asking the "world" what it wants.




kittinSol -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 1:54:42 PM)

That's because the world doesn't know what's best for it. The world is a lot like a silly little subbie [8|] .




kiwisub12 -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 2:06:18 PM)

Hey - you dissing me?????!!!!


[:D]





kittinSol -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 2:07:21 PM)

You LOVE it [8D] .




Aneirin -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 2:08:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

While we are gripping about Israel/palestine, lets look at East Timor, Dafur, and a few other hot spots.   The media tells us what a shame it is, we all agree solomely and nothing is done about systematic genocide.

Should we as relatively intelligent, occasionally thinking individuals "do" something about mass murder by politicians?


If all these affected places had oil, the west would be there like a rat up a drain pipe.

Places where the west has in the past trodden there seems to be problems now and for some countries, in Africa especially, before the western invasion, the peoples were largely of a copper age mentality, but with colonial interest, these countries have had to grow up perhaps too quickly and are now reaping the dividends of that. Remember the history of Britain there also existed much of what we see abroad in our past, so is it right to condemn. But on the other hand, if it is wrong, we should, that is the rest of the world try to create peace as ignoring the plight of millions is a crime to humanity.

I am interested in the middle east purely because what I have experienced of the middle east. Those whom I have met and known in those countries, members of the indigenous population I respect immensely, and will say I like the people and their culture, both past and present. I do understand the threat to western peoples by the extremist religous nut cases who interpret their religous writings in the way that suits them for their purpose, but I also understand, they are an extreme minority, and an embarassment to the majority, a majority who often hold fear for them themselves.

I do feel the guilt for what my country has done to other countries in the name of commerce, or rather it be pillage under the name of commerce, but those whom I have met and known in ME countries have the wherewithall to understand  what was done in the past is by no means a reflection on normal people of our nationality, they bare no personal grudge.

I do see the west's continued involvement in ME affairs as contributing to the fear we feel in the west, and there think, if we were not meddling in  the 'Holy Lands,' we might not be seeing the blood shed that we are seeing in the name of God.

We the west can trade, but why do we feel the need to control trade.




Alumbrado -> RE: Why is this allowed ? (6/7/2008 2:38:17 PM)

 I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to back up the 'No oil in Darfur' crock.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21143-2004Dec22.html
http://www.321energy.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl052207.html
http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/3039.html
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/21/darfur10050.htm




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