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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 5:21:38 PM   
cjan


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Status: offline 		Davan,

I agree that one's sexuality is not an ideology. In fact, in a previous post, I said that, imo, sexual orientation is hard wired from birth. What I object to is people defining others according to their own ideas of what constitutes sexual orientation, or anything else, for that matter.

Btw, my panties are not in a bunch. I don't wear them, except , occasionally, on my head.

I respect peoples right to their own opinions. What I find intolerable is...well, intolerance.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 5:33:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then, what is the point of interjecting the thought on ideology?  I would like to understand your perspective. 
Your objection is noted.  I object to people being inaccurate with descriptors.  I actually think that such antics feed into peoples' intolerance.  I've been dealing with peoples' intolerance about sexuality since elementary school where people were constantly threatening to beat up the guy who I've now known for nearly 30 years (We met in kindergarten) because of him being gay; I can't even count the number of butts I threatened to kick on his behalf growing up, lol.  One of the reasons I have, as a practice, been so matter-of-fact about just about every aspect of who I am is to challenge peoples' intolerance.  I think this BS fluidity of definitions makes intolerance worse, so I suppose you can call me intolerant about improper use of descriptors and I can live with that.  I think gay, straight, and bi- folks all potentially rock and they're all potentially asshats, each person is an individual. 
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 5:41:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is my take on it.
IF I have sex with "something" other than a human being, say a tree....
Doesn't that make me a tree fucker?
 
You can substitute tree with anything you want.
 
Oh no! that does not make you a tree fucker, because you agreed to do it, even though you could have said no.
You are only a tree fucker if you enjoy fucking trees.

This ain't rocket science, here.
No, always means no.
Agreeing to do something, when you really could have said no, is consent in my book.
If you consent to fucking trees, you are a tree fucker.
 
stir it up, fix it up, change shit, create a new language, and believe whatever you want.
In the end, if you get caught fucking a tree, by any living person---you are indeed a tree fucker
 

< Message edited by MzMia -- 1/20/2009 5:48:26 PM >

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 5:57:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		ROFLMAO, MzMia----
I love it!!!  Now, that is both a hilarious and far more comparable in terms of factual, tangible action. 
You rock, 
  Davan
(Bi- but not a tree fucker...man, I need a t-shirt that says that!!!)

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 5:58:57 PM   
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ROFLMAO, MzMia----
I love it!!!  Now, that is both a hilarious and far more comparable in terms of factual, tangible action. 
You rock, 
Davan
(Bi- but not a tree fucker...man, I need a t-shirt that says that!!!)


I am so happy about President Obama.
I am a bit on fire tonight.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
You caught me fucking a tree, but damn it I am not a tree fucker~
THAT lady made me do it, when I had every right in the world to say....NO!
Since she made me do it, I am actually not a tree fucker.

remember flip wilson? The devil made me do it!

< Message edited by MzMia -- 1/20/2009 6:04:18 PM >

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 6:06:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, perhaps I should ammend my t-shirt to: "Yaaaaay, Obama!  I am bi- but not a tree fucker." ?!  I bet this is the only place on earth where that particular amalgamation of words has ever appeared, lol!  :> 
  Davan

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 6:09:53 PM   
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Then, what is the point of interjecting the thought on ideology?  I would like to understand your perspective. 
Your objection is noted.  I object to people being inaccurate with descriptors.  I actually think that such antics feed into peoples' intolerance.  I've been dealing with peoples' intolerance about sexuality since elementary school where people were constantly threatening to beat up the guy who I've now known for nearly 30 years (We met in kindergarten) because of him being gay; I can't even count the number of butts I threatened to kick on his behalf growing up, lol.  One of the reasons I have, as a practice, been so matter-of-fact about just about every aspect of who I am is to challenge peoples' intolerance.  I think this BS fluidity of definitions makes intolerance worse, so I suppose you can call me intolerant about improper use of descriptors and I can live with that.  I think gay, straight, and bi- folks all potentially rock and they're all potentially asshats, each person is an individual. 
Davan


Then we have no "quarrel", Davan. Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding of terminology or meaning which may be one handicap of this medium.

I won't get into the whole "ideaology" and "descriptor" thing. It seems that we agree that intolerance is the most intolerable thing and that how we choose to define ourselves is much more important than how others define us.

I will leave the whole " if one fucks a tree in the forest, and no one sees it, does it make one a tree fucker" for another time. I'm a li'l tired just now.

And yes, MzMia, it's been quite an inaugural day, hasn't it ? It's great to feel that we are coming out of a dark, dreary night into the light again. Very moving.

< Message edited by cjan -- 1/20/2009 6:11:59 PM >

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 6:43:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alas, Cjan, I think what we have are diametrically opposed views on definitions and self-description.  
What we appear to agree on are the problems of intolerance.  Our ideas on how to combat it are incompatible; I believe the ways we utilize descriptors are so divergent as to be irreconcilable.  I am not sure what your assertions on ideology reference as you declined to explain. 
For the record, I think if one fucks a tree, it doesn't matter who sees it or not, they're still a tree fucker (And the tree is a human fuckee).  Plain, simple delineation and definitions that are fact-based.  That's what I'm talkin' about. 
  Davan


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 6:48:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about if one fucked a tree only once and out of serious horniness and loneliness , having been lost in the forest, instead of being a dreaded, closet tree hugger ?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 6:57:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know, I was actually contemplating more t-shirt ideas and one that I came up with was "Tree hugger but not fucker", lol.  And, I just asked one of my cats "Are you a tree fucker?" when he hopped up on the couch.  :>   I have already begun disseminating the wisdom of the tree fucking analogy, first to the fellow I mentioned a few messages prior.  We've discussed the topic of this thread many times, so I know he'll appreciate the analogy. 
I must say, by my definitions based on behavior (And assuming that the horniness made the tree attractive enough to fuck also), once broadens the scope and makes it includable in the person's experience, so I would say once a tree fucker, that's always a part of who you are.  I would also say that if you are a tree fucker, be proud: afterall, it's part of who you are!!!  :>
  Davan


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:01:15 PM   
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:05:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the info.  It shall be useful should I join you in tree-fuckery!  :> 
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:08:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

You know, I was actually contemplating more t-shirt ideas and one that I came up with was "Tree hugger but not fucker", lol.  And, I just asked one of my cats "Are you a tree fucker?" when he hopped up on the couch.  :>   I have already begun disseminating the wisdom of the tree fucking analogy, first to the fellow I mentioned a few messages prior.  We've discussed the topic of this thread many times, so I know he'll appreciate the analogy. 
I must say, by my definitions based on behavior (And assuming that the horniness made the tree attractive enough to fuck also), once broadens the scope and makes it includable in the person's experience, so I would say once a tree fucker, that's always a part of who you are.  I would also say that if you are a tree fucker, be proud: afterall, it's part of who you are!!!  :>
Davan



Thank you for expressing how I feel!
You can always STOP hugging trees, that makes you a former tree hugger!


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:25:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me, its not a fetish. My submissive's sexuality is of interest and consideration most of the time, however, there are times when 'service' is the order of the day. If he is 'serving' Me, he might not enjoy the activity for his own pleasure. His pleasure is received from knowing I'm pleased with his behavior, and my enjoyment - whatever form that may take.

Both Dominants and submissives have limits. These change over time, depending on the person, circumstances, etc. Being able to 'give over' yourself, including your desires, in honor of those of another.... is a personal choice. When I can inspire my boy to do just that, we are both blessed.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:34:46 PM   
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I respect peoples right to their own opinions. What I find intolerable is...well, intolerance
When you do it, it's balanced thinking, when I do it it's intolerance?   Your right to suck cock is equal to my right to say...   You know, what Mia said.    M


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:37:38 PM   
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IF I have sex with "something" other than a human being, say a tree....
Doesn't that make me a tree fucker?
 


It means you'd have one hell of a woody.

And no, M, I haven't got a head start on beating Peon's bum.  I'm just the one with the most incentive.  Good thing he's 6,000 miles away.  Otherwise, he'd be whimpering every time he sat down for the next three weeks.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:50:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

IF I have sex with "something" other than a human being, say a tree....
Doesn't that make me a tree fucker?
 


It means you'd have one hell of a woody.

And no, M, I haven't got a head start on beating Peon's bum.  I'm just the one with the most incentive.  Good thing he's 6,000 miles away.  Otherwise, he'd be whimpering every time he sat down for the next three weeks.


lol, Venatrix
Something about him, makes you want to beat him!
We could raffle him off for charity!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 7:56:23 PM   
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lol, Venatrix
Something about him, makes you want to beat him!
We could raffle him off for charity!


You wouldn't get much for him by the time I was done with him.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 8:04:55 PM   
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lol, Venatrix
Something about him, makes you want to beat him!
We could raffle him off for charity!
You wouldn't get much for him by the time I was done with him.
I don't know V, he looks like a sturdy one...   We will at least watch and wait our turns?    M


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 8:07:03 PM   
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lol, Venatrix
Something about him, makes you want to beat him!
We could raffle him off for charity!
You wouldn't get much for him by the time I was done with him.
I don't know V, he looks like a sturdy one...   We will at least watch and wait our turns?    M



All of a sudden, I had this vision of a take-a-number system sticking out of his, well, never mind.

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