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whether it is done out of curiosity, impulse

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1

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whether it is done out of curiosity, impulse

I think now we're seriously blurring the lines there.   I can accept that a man is so submissive he would submit to doing another as told by his owner.    If he has the desire/curiosity/impulse, than why be afraid to say he leans both ways, with propensity toward one or the other?    M

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ORIGINAL: strangedesire

As far as I'm concerned, in terms of sexual orientation, people are what they say they are.  If Joe the plumber wants to suck cock and call himself straight, that's his choice.  I do recognize that there's a stigma against bisexual males in our culture, but dictating other people's identities for them isn't a fair way to fight that.  If a man is bisexual, let him come into himself the way most queer people do: with introspection and some internal struggle. 

To be clear:  I'm not saying that we chose what we desire, in terms of other people or sexual acts.  Sexual orientation, however, is a choice:  the choice to embrace who we are and fight for what we want, instead of living cold, empty lives, hemmed in by the dictates of society, kept warm only by fantasies that we'll never realize.  I think that, provided you're ethical about it, the choice to be who you are is always the right choice, but it's not a choice that someone else can make for you. 

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Sexual orientation is a choice...you mean all these years all I had to do was choose to be attracted to men and I would have been. Wow if I had know that before, I could have avoided all the bs that goes along with being gay. Thanks for that.

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1

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whether it is done out of curiosity, impulse

I think now we're seriously blurring the lines there.   I can accept that a man is so submissive he would submit to doing another as told by his owner.    If he has the desire/curiosity/impulse, than why be afraid to say he leans both ways, with propensity toward one or the other?    M

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1

I'm not here to define anything for anyone...  Maybe express my thoughts which are free for consideration or to be discarded.
I'm guessing you've not met men who swear they are hetero, but coerce, beg, manipulate, will do anything for you, if only you would force him to do other men. 
There is also the fact that some women would prefer their men were not involved with other men.    Labels aren't that important, unless one is emotionally or otherwise adversely affected by non-labeled behaviors.    M

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1

I'm not here to define anything for anyone...  Maybe express my thoughts which are free for consideration or to be discarded.
I'm guessing you've not met men who swear they are hetero, but coerce, beg, manipulate, will do anything for you, if only you would force him to do other men. 
There is also the fact that some women would prefer their men were not involved with other men.    Labels aren't that important, unless one is emotionally or otherwise adversely affected by non-labeled behaviors.    M

I do appreciate your thoughts - and no, I haven't run into any of those men yet, but I'm sure it will happen. 

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1
You're a good friend indeed when you'll suck a cock to show affection.   I tend to buy my girlfriends gifts, give them hugs and kisses on the cheek, might even venture onto lips.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I think somewhere in the long course of this thread, I've said this before.  I don't believe that an act changes a person's orientation.  It just makes them really hot.  LOL.

It's funny the way some folks react to bisexuality in males.  I'll never understand it.

A few years back, I knew a gal who was openly bisexual who refused to even date any male who was bisexual.  I found that to be the epitome of hypocrisies.

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1

You're a good friend indeed when you'll suck a cock to show affection.   I tend to buy my girlfriends gifts, give them hugs and kisses on the cheek, might even venture onto lips.
If you needed that to discover your leaning, more power to you, nothing wrong with it I suppose.   <M

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As has been discussed on these forums, giving head isn't a submissive act, de facto.

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ORIGINAL: MsFlutter 
I'm impressed - never before have I seen hair-splitting taken to such an art form. Let's REALLY muddy the waters.
If the heterosexual suckER does so at the command of his Mistress but there is no happy ending for the suckEE, what is it considered (other than REALLY ungratifying for the suckEE)? Is it still part of the whole "if they are straight and they suck, they are kinda bi? maybe gay?". Will it tilt the universe on its axis if there IS a happy ending for the suckee?
I'm not personally conflicted about the issue but its really interesting to watch this topic being chased across 17 pages !

MsFlutter,
I'll bite and answer your question. 
First, I'd like to ask your opinion as you stated you aren't conflicted but didn't state your opinion. 
I, too, am not conflicted.  Your scenario, in my consistent definitions of such things, would involve bi-guys.  'Happy ending' doesn't, via my definition, make or break the orientational definitions. 
Davan

Truth be told, I was being facetious when I asked about whether a happy ending would change the dynamic. There were just so many other marbles being chased across this thread that I figured I'd contribute one more. 

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ORIGINAL: cjan
I'll stick my neck out further here to say that I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future in a situation where it would excite and please a female friend. I've learned to never say never. However, it still wouldn't make me bi or gay, no more than it would make me less dominant.

As has been discussed on these forums, giving head isn't a submissive act, de facto.

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ORIGINAL: MsFlutter

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ORIGINAL: MsFlutter 
I'm impressed - never before have I seen hair-splitting taken to such an art form. Let's REALLY muddy the waters.
If the heterosexual suckER does so at the command of his Mistress but there is no happy ending for the suckEE, what is it considered (other than REALLY ungratifying for the suckEE)? Is it still part of the whole "if they are straight and they suck, they are kinda bi? maybe gay?". Will it tilt the universe on its axis if there IS a happy ending for the suckee?
I'm not personally conflicted about the issue but its really interesting to watch this topic being chased across 17 pages !

MsFlutter,
I'll bite and answer your question. 
First, I'd like to ask your opinion as you stated you aren't conflicted but didn't state your opinion. 
I, too, am not conflicted.  Your scenario, in my consistent definitions of such things, would involve bi-guys.  'Happy ending' doesn't, via my definition, make or break the orientational definitions. 
Davan

Fair enough. In my head, a heterosexual male is no more or less heterosexual if he does - at the bidding of the Mistress or otherwise. IMHO, engaging in an act considered to be the province of another orientation is not a statement that anyone has 'crossed over'.
 
If I stay in a hotel, I've not given up my house.  I go back to my house once the reason for staying at the hotel has passed. Everything changes, however, if I decide to sell my house and live in the hotel.
 
Conversely, if the heterosexual male in question 'visits' and stays and it becomes part of his identity, well then - its up to him to decide his orientation, if only for his own sense of order.
 
Truth be told, I was being facetious when I asked about whether a happy ending would change the dynamic. There were just so many other marbles being chased across this thread that I figured I'd contribute one more.