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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 1:52:03 PM

cjan

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Davan,

As I said earlier, I'm aware that these type of discussions rarely, if ever, change anyone's point of view. That's not my intention, anyway.

I happen to believe that a person's sexual preferences are hard wired from birth. Whether hetero, homo or bisexual. There is also lots of anecdotal evidence ( coming from peoples personal experiences , not abstractions or theory ) that dominant and submissive personalities are hard wired from birth. Search some threads on CM , if you care to, to see that some peoples' D/s orientation, feelings and experiences occurred at an age that was well before any sexual thoughts or feelings were present.

I tend to give more credence to someone's opinion and point of view based on their personal experience rather than speculations or theorizing. Nevertheless, even so, everyones opinions will vary. As they say, your millage may vary. I have no problem with that. My point is, simply, don't be so quick to dispute someone's point of view. simply because it differs from yours.

As to the discussion of what makes someone dominant or submissive, I always recall a friend's comment that what she does may be to top or bottom, but what she is, is submissive. I agree with her. In that vein, what you put into your mouth, or don't, doesn't define your sexual orientation.

Btw, LadyPact, I hope this discussion isn't ruining a perfectly good cock sucking thread for you again.

I've said what I have to say on the topic. Take it or leave it. I now return you to your regular programming.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 1:59:39 PM

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You're a good friend indeed when you'll suck a cock to show affection. I tend to buy my girlfriends gifts, give them hugs and kisses on the cheek, might even venture onto lips.
If you needed that to discover your leaning, more power to you, nothing wrong with it I suppose. <M

RIMAAM, CoupleofWhats, and I tend to basically feel the same way about this "issue".
Read her posts and my posts 20 pages ago.
At this point, IMHO, for the 3 of us, I am thinking it may be culturally related.
We are all entitled to our opinions.
For the submissives that I tend to want to deal with, this activity should be a hard limit.
For some men, dealing with other men is a hard limit, for some it is not.
Many of the men that beg to be "forced bi", "encouraged bi" and want to fucking try "bi", I just run from.
Also the ones that list this as a "fun" activity they want or need to experience.

I have much more respect for men that state they are "bisexual" or gay.
We all get to decide WHAT are limits are.
Also, everyone has limits.

I learned long ago, we all create our own realities.
This thread can go 50,000 pages, and I doubt anyone is going to change their minds!
Whatever activities you engage in,or don't engage in, enjoy your life!
We can all agree to disagree.
As always, to each their own.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 2:01:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: cjan
I'll stick my neck out further here to say that I wouldn't completely rule it out in the future in a situation where it would excite and please a female friend. I've learned to never say never. However, it still wouldn't make me bi or gay, no more than it would make me less dominant.

As has been discussed on these forums, giving head isn't a submissive act, de facto.

So, you're saying that you wouldn't rule out future bi-behavior. How in the world does that not make you bi-? I think you have more of a claim to that descriptor than do I. And, again, I am not saying that bi- is a bad thing, quite the contrary; I think it's the most common sexual orientation.

Also, your argument about not giving head as inherently submissive as a comparative argument to this one doesn't hold any water. Here's why:
1)This discussion is about tangible things: male and female sex organs being placed into/in sexual proximity to male and female persons and/or sex organs. This is a conversation with very tangible lines. Of course, there is the addition of simple attraction as another deciding factor of bi-ness, imo, but that is a separate and distinct thing and leans more toward the abstraction of the other thread.
2)That other discussion is about behaviors without regard to the obvious physical attributes of those involved. Thus, leaning it further toward the esoteric potentially.
The two arguments are not the same, not even really similar.
Davan

I disagree with you. Bi acts does not make one Bi. If someone is Gay but they decide to supress it and preform straight acts, would that make them straight? I dont think so. Or if Sean Pean play acted gay and did things as an Actor then he is BI?

You are saying the act, not the actor makes someone who they are. We say it is the Actor themselves that makes them who they are.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 2:14:53 PM

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So if a straight man sucks a dick, but isn't sexually attracted to men, he is still straight not bi.

I understand this totally in theory, what do you call all the hundreds {make that thousands, and on collarme millions} of men that ask, request and beg for this activity?
That is what I am addressing, the ones that BEG for it.
Are they straight also?

"Make me do it Mistress!, I don't care if you like it or not!", "Please, please, make me do it!"
"I want to do it all the time!"
Many Female Dominants get this "request" all the time.
Are these men also straight?
Riddle me this?

< Message edited by MzMia -- 1/20/2009 2:17:05 PM >

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 2:20:24 PM

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I just had to read through this....and now that I am finished I am going back to where I belong!.....

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 2:24:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I just had to read through this....and now that I am finished I am going back to where I belong!.....

Mark, read the straight men's profiles and see how many request this activity!
Seriously, ask any Dominant woman how many men approach her asking for, begging for and requesting this.

"Mistress? my last Mistress made me fuck and suck men all the time, are you going to"make me" do that?" {I especially want you to procure big black men}
My answer, Hell no, I have no interest and it does nothing for me.
"If you don't I am not interested, Mistress".

Go back to where you belong, and be afraid.
Be very afraid.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 2:39:56 PM

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For the submissives that I tend to want to deal with, this activity should be a hard limit.
For some men, dealing with other men is a hard limit, for some it is not.
Many of the men that beg to be "forced bi", "encouraged bi" and want to fucking try "bi", I just run from.
Also the ones that list this as a "fun" activity they want or need to experience.

What about those men who are just a teensy-weensy bit bi, MzMia? Say, those who don't care one way or another and probably wouldn't think about it unless the subject were brought up?

Sorry if that's been covered elsewhere on this thread's journey . . .

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 2:43:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

For the submissives that I tend to want to deal with, this activity should be a hard limit.
For some men, dealing with other men is a hard limit, for some it is not.
Many of the men that beg to be "forced bi", "encouraged bi" and want to fucking try "bi", I just run from.
Also the ones that list this as a "fun" activity they want or need to experience.

What about those men who are just a teensy-weensy bit bi, MzMia? Say, those who don't care one way or another and probably wouldn't think about it unless the subject were brought up?

Sorry if that's been covered elsewhere on this thread's journey . . .

lol of course its been covered.
They are not bi, they are never bi, they are straight!

is a rose still a rose, by any other name?
lets create categories like"teeny weeny bit bisexual", or "bisexual but only when forced after I beg for it".

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 3:04:13 PM

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Bi-ette? Tiddly-bi? Biseywisey?

In music, you can have semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers . . .

What about American "football" players? Is it possible to have played - and enjoyed playing - American "football", and still consider oneself "straight"?

Over here we use a code for bi - it's "He went to a public school, you know. Played rugby. Front row."

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 3:07:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Bi-ette? Tiddly-bi? Biseywisey?

In music, you can have semiquavers, demisemiquavers, hemidemisemiquavers . . .

What about American "football" players? Is it possible to have played - and enjoyed playing - American "football", and still consider oneself "straight"?

Over here we use a code for bi - it's "He went to a public school, you know. Played rugby. Front row."

damn it peon, you are making me like you.
I like you a tiddly,front row, played rugby bit.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 3:10:00 PM

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What? Are you saying you didn't fancy me to start with? Are you a lesbian?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 3:19:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I understand this totally in theory, what do you call all the hundreds {make that thousands, and on collarme millions} of men that ask, request and beg for this activity?
That is what I am addressing, the ones that BEG for it.
Are they straight also?

"Make me do it Mistress!, I don't care if you like it or not!", "Please, please, make me do it!"
"I want to do it all the time!"
Many Female Dominants get this "request" all the time.
Are these men also straight?
Riddle me this?

It does make a person wonder if these straight men who are adamant about wanting to be forced to have sex with another man are either:
A - mentally not really to admit they enjoy some sexual activities with other men or
b) to fearful to admit they do have bisexual leanings?

Seems to me that placing themselves in a situation where they are "forced" absolves their conscience by admitting that she made me doe it which is another form of not taking responsibility for their own desires.

It is widely accepted that bisexuals desires range from occasional to fully bisexual. Where a person sometimes seeks a male or sometimes seeks a female partner. I agree a one time same sex encounter doesn't mean a person is bi, yet when a male 's highly focused to be forced into same sex activities, it does make you wonder.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 3:35:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

So if a straight man sucks a dick, but isn't sexually attracted to men, he is still straight not bi.

I understand this totally in theory, what do you call all the hundreds {make that thousands, and on collarme millions} of men that ask, request and beg for this activity?
That is what I am addressing, the ones that BEG for it.
Are they straight also?

"Make me do it Mistress!, I don't care if you like it or not!", "Please, please, make me do it!"
"I want to do it all the time!"
Many Female Dominants get this "request" all the time.
Are these men also straight?
Riddle me this?

Unless I know them personally, I really can't answer that one.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 4:09:24 PM

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What about those men who are just a teensy-weensy bit bi, MzMia? Say, those who don't care one way or another and probably wouldn't think about it unless the subject were brought up?

I don't think there is anything wrong with being bi.    In a perfect world, I will end up with a man who will do anything for me.   As I have no intention of ever allowing this experience, there is absolutely no point in any man approaching me if this is among his desires.

What I can hardly stand, is ambivalence about one's sexuality, and divided allegiances when approaching me for a relationship.   I expect loyalty in behavior and desire;   I know I cannot control anyone's desire really, but I expect an honest assessment of his propensity to be with women more if approaching me; because let's face it, I'm going to find out what you want.   If you (generic you) are with me, I expect straight behavior all day and night.   The biggest issue for myself, is the number of men who are uncomfortable with the thought/desire, but want me to be the intermediary to their experience.
I actually don't consider bi a hard limit, unless that is how he wants to live, while with me.    I cannot help but wonder about the defensiveness of those who say "I've done it not under duress, and will probably do it again, but don't you dare call me bi.    Mia is absolutely right, and believe me she's sparing a lof of ugly details we experience.

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MzMia
lets create categories like"teeny weeny bit bisexual", or "bisexual but only when forced after I beg for it".

Oh no Mia, not new labels people will hate, please.

M

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 4:28:04 PM

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Oh no Mia, not new labels people will hate, please. M

I quite like "teensy-bi", actually. Well, each to his or her own.

I don't know why I bother trying to help out in disputes, sometimes. It's not as if anyone ever thanks me.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 4:43:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I quite like "teensy-bi", actually. Well, each to his or her own.

I don't know why I bother trying to help out in disputes, sometimes. It's not as if anyone ever thanks me.

You know that your biggest problem is this is a written medium, not an audio one, or you would be listened to much more frequently, I feel.
No reason to cry yet, it's not like any of us has beaten yah yet, unless V has started ahead of the rest of us. M

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 4:47:22 PM

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One last comment.

How dare anyone presume to define another , whether one knows nothing or very little about him or her ? It's only IDEAS , folks, which spring from ideologies. Clinging to ideologies, imo, are the root cause of conflict, whether personal or religious or political.

Ideologies, whether they constitute what it means to be straight, bi, queer, or what it means to be dominant or submissive, or a spiritual person, or whatever, are just ideas...and not particularly useful, as history has shown.

I think we all know, hopefully, who and what we are. A few others who know us intimately, over time, may know us as we are. But, in order to truly know ourselves, and others, I think it's essential to be willing to at least question our clinging to ideologies and, rather, open ourselves to our own experience with an open mind.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 4:56:13 PM

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Why is our expressing our different ideas a problem? Why take it personally? What you are attracted to and do in your life is your business, and I do not mean to be offensive to you, but it's true I have opinions on this matter. I'm speaking from my own sexual attraction perspective. For public purposes, I suppose it doesn't matter what anyone calls themselves I suppose, unless it somehow comes around to me, than I tend to be a little less loose with definitions. M

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 4:56:33 PM

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You know that your biggest problem is this is a written medium, not a audio one, or you would be listened to much more frequently, I feel

You know, I think you're right. My Mum tells me I have a lovely voice. I shall cheer up.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/20/2009 5:09:56 PM

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Cjan, Sexuality isn't an ideology, it's a fact!!! Example: religion is an ideology. You can not show me (G)god(s). Sexuality is factual. I can see a man sucking another man's cock. One of these things is not like the other. If I wanted to get my panties in a bunch like you seemingly are, I could say "How dare people LIE about themselves". I am not doing that nor is anyone else who has stated an opposing view to yours. 'Course, my view is based on something tangible, not emotionally reactionary proclamations but I defend your right to be emotionally reactionary, I'm just not going to buy into it.
Davan

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