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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 6:42:34 AM   
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i only have one thing to say about this whole thread..to paraphrase"confusion shall be my epitaph".....think about it.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 6:45:31 AM   
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Honestly, UPSG, I'm just quibbling with methods of categorising for the hell of it.  No worries. 

I've only three points to make about this subject that are important to me. One is that it could do with loosening up because people are so uptight about categorisations.  The second is that I think they're uptight partly because they dislike bisexual or homosexual impulses in others, or themselves.  The third, and the most important of all by far, I put in my reply to Ms DDom, above: that it's a complete damned waste - and a sometimes harmful one - to go around suppressing (in oneself or others) an impulse that'll hurt nobody and could be enjoyable.

Not particularly relevant but - an (entirely vanilla) ex girlfriend of mine used to call me "poof" as a term of endearment - day-to-day, I mean.  Still makes me laugh when I think about it.  ;-)

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 7:31:31 AM   
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One is that it could do with loosening up because people are so uptight about categorisations
 So, all the people who agree with you are kool and loose, and all of the people who disagree, are uptight, and wrong?   Is there room for agreeing to disagree?

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The second is that I think they're uptight partly because they dislike bisexual or homosexual impulses in others, or themselves.
No one here has said they dislike bisexuals or men who phuck trees.   One may or may not be attracted to a man who drinks tea, but that shouldn't mean anything to anyone.   We all want or are turned on by particular things, and what trips my trigger may not be the same as what does yours (generic you). 

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The third, and the most important of all by far, I put in my reply to Ms DDom, above: that it's a complete damned waste - and a sometimes harmful one - to go around suppressing (in oneself or others) an impulse that'll hurt nobody and could be enjoyable.
Why do you think anyone is suppressing anything?   If one is not willing to have sex hanging from the chandeliers, it's because one is repressed?    It's entirely possible not to want/need to try everything in this world, and still be ok.

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Not particularly relevant but - an (entirely vanilla) ex girlfriend of mine used to call me "poof" as a term of endearment - day-to-day, I mean.  Still makes me laugh when I think about it.  ;-
What does poof mean?    M

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 7:42:02 AM   
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I don't have a problem with men who've sucked cock identifying themselves as straight (or women who've eaten pussy, etc etc) as long as they don't bring any haughty or disrespectful attitudes to the table concerning men who do the same but consider themselves bi or gay.

I think there's a huge difference between someone who performs a sexual act for the pleasure of another v.s someone who performs the same sexual act because they get off on it themselves. What that difference is becomes convoluted and is par for the course when discussing sexual orientation (as another poster put it, great word!), but that's okay, too.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:00:35 AM   
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I don't have a problem with men who've sucked cock identifying themselves as straight (or women who've eaten pussy, etc etc) as long as they don't bring any haughty or disrespectful attitudes to the table concerning men who do the same but consider themselves bi or gay.
I cannot comment on this again, this many pages out, except to say that, if not for the fear of or disdain for naming it, this thread wouldn't be half as long.

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I think there's a huge difference between someone who performs a sexual act for the pleasure of another v.s someone who performs the same sexual act because they get off on it themselves.
I agree.    In some folks, it's easier to determine than in others, and I suppose each of us has our comfort zone in terms of how far we would get involved, depending on obedienve vs attraction factor.   M

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:05:24 AM   
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I really can't see the point of a straight guy sucking another straight man, since neither of them would be aroused by it. Sucking a bi or gay guy would at least mean that the suckee doesn't need viagra or something.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:08:45 AM   
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I definitely don't think it's that simple.  Many cocks respond to physical stimulation even if the owner is saying "this sucks" in his head.   M

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:16:07 AM   
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M, my work on this thread is done.
Thank you for pointing out that if you don't agree with what some WANT
you to agree with, you are not one of the "Cool Kids".
That affirms my thoughts about many in this lifestyle NOT being accepting of
divergent points of views.
Are we really all supposed to view things the exact same way?
 
Why spend pages beating others about the head, because they do not agree with you?
I don't care if you agree with me or not!
What I don't like are the "put downs" and "name calling" because we don't agree with you.

That shows insecurity on your part.

 
As I have said many times here, "Live and let live".
We all have a right to our views and to see the world in the manner we want to see it.
It really is okay, to agree to disagree, and move on!
Peace out!


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:25:47 AM   
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I'm wondering why you'd assume that straight men wouldn't be aroused by that?  I know more than one that would.. and will admit that the physical just takes over and it doesn't matter who's mouth it is...


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I really can't see the point of a straight guy sucking another straight man, since neither of them would be aroused by it. Sucking a bi or gay guy would at least mean that the suckee doesn't need viagra or something.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:31:56 AM   
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funnily enough.. something I always expect but is rarely there too... is openmindedness.. and with that comes the live and let live... which to me allows others the right to selfidentify... and not to impose my definitions on others...



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:35:02 AM   
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quote:

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funnily enough.. something I always expect but is rarely there too... is openmindedness.. and with that comes the live and let live... which to me allows others the right to selfidentify... and not to impose my definitions on others...




And that is a good thing Madame4a.
We all have the right to self identify.
I don't see anyone here trying to take that away from anyone.
Who could?
No stranger on the internet, can change my "self identification".
Nor can they tell me or make me view the world the way that they view it.

Can they do it to you?

My point is to be OPEN to the fact that we all view situations "differently".
We have a right to do that.
Seeing a situation in a different manner does not make us "bad" and others "good and open minded".

We can always agree to disagree and move on.
Have a wonderful day!


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:37:00 AM   
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I won't go back through all your posts.. but I do recall you saying that a man sucking another man's cock makes them gay or bi... frankly, that is imposing your definitions on others..

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

funnily enough.. something I always expect but is rarely there too... is openmindedness.. and with that comes the live and let live... which to me allows others the right to selfidentify... and not to impose my definitions on others...




And that is a good thing Madame4a.
We all have the right to self identify.
I don't see anyone here trying to take that away from anyone.
Who could?
No stranger on the internet, can take away that I "self identify".
Nor can they tell me or make me view the world the way that they view it.

Can they do it to you?


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:40:29 AM   
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Well you need to re-read them, because I never said that.
I said they are engaged in bisexual activity.

I sense anger and hostility in your "tone".
I am not going to lower myself to arguing, I am in far to good a mood.
Be well Madame4a.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:45:56 AM   
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actually.. there is no anger or hostility.. in fact quite the opposite.. a genuine curiosity...

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:55:59 AM   
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quote:

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actually.. there is no anger or hostility.. in fact quite the opposite.. a genuine curiosity...


Madame4a, I will explain myself for you, one last time.
I have tried to explain this many times in this 9 month old thread.

 
I have talked to men on this site and others, who request and desire to be forced-bi.
I have had many straight men I have had to literally run away from, because they want to
spend HOURS talking about how they want me to make them suck cocks.
When I say I have run across "many men" asking for this, I am not exaggerating.
I am not even going to start on the profiles on this site, of straight men that list in their profile
they want to be forced into bisexual activity.

I know there are those that only do if for their Dominant's desire {that is different}, yet they did choose NOT to make it a "hard limit".
I am sure Madame4a, you know what limits are.
I agree that sexual activities do not define orientation.
I really do understand the difference.

After talking to more thousands of  men that are begging to be forced-bi,  my vision of course is blurred.
Actually, any activity that someone approaches me and begs for, is just not forced in my book.
This also includes: forcing someone to cross dress, adult babies, and anything on a list that they are asking me to FORCE them to do .
I am still looking for someone to "force" me to take their money and go shopping.

I am going to now force myself to find something tasty to eat.
Don't make me do it, please!
Rather than continue the debate, I wanted to explain what I encounter all the time.
........as long as no one gets hurt, live and let live...really.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 9:58:28 AM   
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quote:

I am still looking for someone to "force" me to take their money and go shopping.
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 10:00:41 AM   
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I certainly appreciate your experience... mine brings me where I am too...

and go eat.. I did.. lunch is good

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 10:03:19 AM   
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Hi JustDarkness,
yes, i could state this as a "hard limit", but she would not have accept any limits and that was just the thing to turn me on and something later i accept her doing.
regards
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 10:09:56 AM   
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Oh Lord, M, I'm not good with multiple quotes-including-quotes in one post.  I hope this doesn't look like an unholy mess. Please bear with me . . .

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One is that it could do with loosening up because people are so uptight about categorisations

So, all the people who agree with you are kool and loose, and all of the people who disagree, are uptight, and wrong?   Is there room for agreeing to disagree?
 
Yes, there's infinite room for agreeing to disagree.  Or there could be,  IMO,  if people were less concerned about categorising.  I think they would be less concerned about categorising if it were shown how far from watertight is any method of categorising.


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The second is that I think they're uptight partly because they dislike bisexual or homosexual impulses in others, or themselves.

No one here has said they dislike bisexuals or men who phuck trees.   One may or may not be attracted to a man who drinks tea, but that shouldn't mean anything to anyone.   We all want or are turned on by particular things, and what trips my trigger may not be the same as what does yours (generic you). 
 
When I say I think they're uptight partly because they dislike bisexual or homosexual impulses in others, or themselves, I really do mean no more than "my guess is".  I can't stand cod-psychoanalysis done on me and I don't want to do it on anyone else.  IMO, even the best-trained can only venture the most modest sorts of hypotheses when it comes to "reading unconscious motives".  It's all too easy to end up with pseudo-intellectual quackery otherwise.

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The third, and the most important of all by far, I put in my reply to Ms DDom, above: that it's a complete damned waste - and a sometimes harmful one - to go around suppressing (in oneself or others) an impulse that'll hurt nobody and could be enjoyable.

Why do you think anyone is suppressing anything?   If one is not willing to have sex hanging from the chandeliers, it's because one is repressed?    It's entirely possible not to want/need to try everything in this world, and still be ok.
 
I'm assuming that some people, generally (as opposed to people writing on this thread) do suppress large and long-term desires, for whatever reason.  In this respect, I keep thinking of a British comedian who died recently - he'd been homosexual, but had never had a partner, all his life.  That seemed so tragic to me. 

Of course it's possible not to want/need to try everything in this world, and still be OK.  Swinging on chandeliers isn't in the "large and long-term desire" category for me - though stealing the Crown Jewels before I check out is approaching it.


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Not particularly relevant but - an (entirely vanilla) ex girlfriend of mine used to call me "poof" as a term of endearment - day-to-day, I mean.  Still makes me laugh when I think about it.  ;-

What does poof mean?    M
 
"Poof" is roughly equivalent to "queer", but probably a bit less harsh.  Not used for lesbians, though.  It's old fashioned slang and is increasingly used in an ironic way - to mock those old-fashioned enough to be homophobic. 



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/28/2009 10:12:15 AM   
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I think penises are one of the most powerful icons in our culture. And have Potent effects on the human psyche. Their energy produce both overwhelming attraction, harsh repulsion as well as unshakeable curiosity in yet others. However you feel about a cock....it is most certainly a strong feeling usually... one way or the other.  You need only to hold  an impressive hard one in your hands to become overwhelmed by its intense force, energy and power. This is quite apparent by the length of this thread.

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