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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/16/2009 9:37:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		LadyPact: I think I'd fall under the category of the submissive willing to suck the cock, but the idea of doing such is much more interesting mentally and sexually from the perspective of it being done because of the desires of the dominant woman. Is that somehow better than the submissive who is only willing to do it out of sheer obedience? I don't think so, I think it's just different.

And not really directed at LP:
I also feel there really is a difference between being into the idea of sucking a cock and being interested because a female dominant wants it and the often stated idea of just using the woman as an excuse to engage in homosexual activity.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/17/2009 3:36:09 AM   
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Apropos of nothing, really: an ex who was vanilla would suddenly turn into molten lava at the fantasy of me sucking cock.  It was peculiar - almost as though the only way she could dominate me was by conjuring up a proxy figure to do the dominating her.  The whole point was that I had to be doing it somehow 'against my will'.  Whatever - this one certainly does hit the spot for some women. 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/20/2009 2:03:49 PM   
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If this has already been addressed here then, my sincere apologies. i’m Not into reading a lot of discussion on this particular topic,. so Ladies please!, educate me on this, so i can gain a better understanding for why there is such a big fascination about cock sucking on here.
i’ve Been wondering,… With regards to seeing some Profiles of women who was once a Sub/Slave, who then later switched to becoming a Domme.
1.)Are They more likely to require this of Their sub as a tool to humiliate him,?
2.) Is this just to enhance the Domme’s Or former Sub/Slave’s sexual experience? And (or,.. Just to humiliate him in the process?
3.) Does having a perspective on how it had felt like for The former Sub/Slave,. play any part in this? Are They more pone to impose this on Her sub?
4.) Do both Dommes and former Subs require this?

And Finally, does this involve cuckolding?
Please feel free to Responds on this well be greatly appreciated.
Ladies Stay Safe sincerely, hairslave

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/20/2009 2:27:05 PM   
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Just like a maso who enjoys the pain in a scene because they truly relish the sensations, the same can be said of a male who willingly and hungrily will suck cock.  They eagerly await the experience....No issues with shame, taboo, or labels.  Nothing in the way.  No fear.  No doubt.  It's all about the sensuality of the act. 

The reluctant cock sucker has his appeal as well.  Just like the service sub who will take pain because it is his duty, the reluctant cock sucker does so out of loyalty, devotion, and obligation.  It is all about his desire to please. 
 
Which is better...... I can't say.  Would anyone like to engage in this facet of the debate, rather than the tired, boring discussion of what it means to whom?



Sorry to snip, LP.  Just to address the concept in the terms you've offered:  which is better?  My gut reaction is B.  Why?  Couple of reasons.  It boils down to the monogamist tendency and the sadistic tendency, in the end; it also relates to things about which I have my own personal taboos and barriers.

The comparison with pure physical masochism is an interesting one.  I prefer a pain piglet masochist to a man who submits to pain solely to please me.  Why?  Because I have personal taboos and  barriers against harming others.  My partner's lust for pain is inspiring and comforting, and brings out my sadistic tendencies more fully.

When it comes to sucking cock--as you so eloquently put it, "no shame, no taboos".  I don't particularly care whether men wanna have sex with other men; I have nothing against homosexual hijinx.  I just don't feel that sex between two men has anything to do with me, per se.  If a man would happily suck a cock whether I was there or not--I see no reason for me to be there.  No particular thrill, and there's certainly nothing dominant about it.

On the other hand, if he's overcoming his resistance because I'm forcing him, then there is the thrill of sadistic control.  It has to be balanced, however--a person who has really extreme homophobia or issues would not be fun to play this game with.  I have no desire to break my toys, or ruin a relationship.  A man who can and will do it "for me" is kinda hot and sexy, but I wouldn't push it past a certain point.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/23/2009 12:21:36 PM   
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 i’ve Been wondering,… With regards to seeing some Profiles of women who was once a Sub/Slave, who then later switched to becoming a Domme.
1.)Are They more likely to require this of Their sub as a tool to humiliate him,?
2.) Is this just to enhance the Domme’s Or former Sub/Slave’s sexual experience? And (or,.. Just to humiliate him in the process?
3.) Does having a perspective on how it had felt like for The former Sub/Slave,. play any part in this? Are They more pone to impose this on Her sub?
4.) Do both Dommes and former Subs require this?

And Finally, does this involve cuckolding?
Please feel free to Responds on this well be greatly appreciated.
Ladies Stay Safe sincerely, hairslave


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Nice shoe, cutie!
 
From this side of the slash, I can tell you that the lure of my dreams about this is mainly for the humiliation aspect of it. The goal is the complete humiliation and objectification of my slaveboy, for both of us to enjoy.
 
I still haven't done this yet, but most often my dreams in this area involve what I think is called "piggy on a spit". Basically I want to have my slaveboy immobilized and blindfolded while two boys are fucking him at both ends. In my dream, the two other boys are also under my authority, and that is a large part of the enjoyment of it to me, also. Essentially all three boys are tools for my use. Yummy.
 
I never got dual entry as a slave and I did dream of it, and still occasionally do. (triple entry, to be more specific).
 
So yes, I would say that my having been slave first has influenced me in this area. Because I never got it, I want to make sure that my slave doesn't miss out. There's a whole list of things I missed out on when I was submissive, that I'm making sure my slave gets. At the top of the list are the most basic, most important things. Like making sure he feels very deeply and completely owned and cherished. That I help facilitate his self-actualization. The good stuff. Adoration, and his complete humiliation and objectification for our pleasure... OOoh yeah. Uh huh. It is very sweetly delicious for me to be able to give him those things that I largely missed out on myself, as a submissive.
 
So yes, hairslave you are onto something, at least in my case.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/23/2009 12:59:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shaki, no need to be sorry for the snip.  It saves space and it's not like you're quoting Me out of context.

I do have to say, I can identify.  It's that great thing about the look in the eyes.  The one you see as it looks up to you with that bit of inner doubt.  The one where, behind the eyes, you can almost hear the inner turmoil, the questioning, even though the answer inside is already known. 

Some say that to those who have never seen, a word such as beauty can not be described.  This is one of these.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/23/2009 6:16:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear dreamerdreaming Thank you for replying to my questions and for Your kind compoment as well. It gives me something to ponder.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/23/2009 6:41:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		LadyPact, I'm a little surprised that you feel it is that unusual. If anything, most people I've seen discuss it here or on the other BDSM-oriented board I frequent specifically want "forced" male-male if they want any interaction between men at all. Personally, I prefer the chemistry between two guys who are actually attracted to each other. If I had a boyfriend who was at all heteroflexible, I'd prefer to have him make out with another guy, or dance with me and a gay or bi friend of mine, or for the two of them to give me a massage, or to sit draped across both of them (or with one as a footstool) while we watch TV, or maybe have one of them help me co-top the other. As far as I can tell, most guys who are perfectly willing to suck a guy off or get it up the ass from him aren't willing to do that kind of stuff, even though it's much safer from an STD perspective, and for me emotionally. I certainly don't consider male-male activity to be a requirement, but it can be rather hot. If there's no chemistry between them, it would feel about as boring as soda that's gone flat.

Oh, and I *REALLY* don't get the "c-cksucker" as an insult/humiliation if they want their female S/O to do it to them.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/23/2009 8:59:10 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		It isn't unusual to Me in the least.  I was referring to those who haven't had the experience of having two males perform.  When I said people who have never seen, I wasn't talking about Myself.

It's ok.  Stick around.  You'll find I'm one of the greatest supporters of the activity. 

I realize the thread has gotten a bit long at this point for most of the folks who haven't been following it all along to bother to read.  Sometimes, it's a good idea to know the contents of the posters in a thread before attempting to comment on another person's remarks.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/23/2009 10:07:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know you like it, you've been very definite about it in this thread and some others. I was just surprised when you said that it was unusual!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/24/2009 6:45:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't recall saying that it was unusual.  What I was attempting to describe can be the look in the eyes when a sub still has some doubt within, and yet also knows that he will complete his instructions.  While he may be afraid of the unknown, the fact that he does know is that he will obey, he will please, he will deepen his commitment and his service to the Dominant.  It's similar to the look that he gives when tied in bondage, not knowing what will happen to him next, yet also he has that inner confidence that, ultimately, he trusts his Top. 

That look is hard to describe, but it's priceless.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/26/2009 4:29:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		it is very inspiring to read Your posts LadyPact.

You have a true insite and appreciation for what the sub will be seeing and thinking about his assigned task.

What else can a sub do once he has willingly given the Dominant(s) control of the event.

There is no option to disobey once he is face to face with completing his command.

She has had me do things i never thought i would do, but i looked as each task as a test and a challenge on my ability to listen-obey-perform as She said.

So far i have passed all of Her tests.

She has not yet had me kneeling in front of a real cock yet, but She has been preparing me.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/6/2009 4:35:17 AM   
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I've done a few forced cock sucking sessions [non charge for the legality issue] and I found there wasn't much forcing necessary. It is a usual request from "straight" males to be forced into this act, curiousity, homosexuality, whatever the case may be.
 
After having been aroused by gay porn in the past as a Domina, the actual act of dominating a forced cock sucking scene was not as interesting to me after a few scenes. Usually I'd go eat popcorn in the other room until the "forcing" was finished.
 
I think it makes a lot of straight males comfortable to know a woman is there, thus making them not "gay" or not having any homosexual interest.


This is absolutley my viewpoint. I have never desired to suck a mans cock, or be fucked by one but I have desired to be told I was going to do it for my Mistress. At one point this was actually arranged but didn't happen. I still do not know if I felt relief or disappointment.

I don't know where this leaves me pidgeonholed sexually but I feel 100% staright, whether I would after the act is another question.

It is all about be submissive to please a Mistress and not fulfil my desires, and that is both hot for me and the Mistress I would hope.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/7/2009 2:39:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hairslave
i’ve Been wondering,… With regards to seeing some Profiles of women who was once a Sub/Slave, who then later switched to becoming a Domme.
1.)Are They more likely to require this of Their sub as a tool to humiliate him,?
2.) Is this just to enhance the Domme’s Or former Sub/Slave’s sexual experience? And (or,.. Just to humiliate him in the process?
3.) Does having a perspective on how it had felt like for The former Sub/Slave,. play any part in this? Are They more pone to impose this on Her sub?
4.) Do both Dommes and former Subs require this?

And Finally, does this involve cuckolding?


Speaking as one who tried subbing (wouldn't really call myself a former sub since I was never one at heart to begin with) I can say that for me, liking to watch the boys play has nothing at all to do with that. It's a kink, pure and simple- one that I've had since before I discovered D/s. I have friends that also share this kink but are vanilla in every other way.
 
I think that one thing this thread has shown is that the reasons a dominant might ask a submissive to engage in same-sex behavior are as numerous as the dominants out there. Whether it's humiliation, training, or for our pleasure doesn't really matter except to the individual sub we're asking, does it? I have to wonder, though, if male dominants have to put up with the same level of scrutiny if they make a similar request, or if society is already so predisposed to see women as more flexible in their sexuality that it's a far more accepted form of enjoyment. Why assume there's anything beyond the request than the dominant's wish to see something that turns them on?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/7/2009 3:20:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DeathinRevelry

quote:

ORIGINAL: hairslave
i’ve Been wondering,… With regards to seeing some Profiles of women who was once a Sub/Slave, who then later switched to becoming a Domme.
1.)Are They more likely to require this of Their sub as a tool to humiliate him,?
2.) Is this just to enhance the Domme’s Or former Sub/Slave’s sexual experience? And (or,.. Just to humiliate him in the process?
3.) Does having a perspective on how it had felt like for The former Sub/Slave,. play any part in this? Are They more pone to impose this on Her sub?
4.) Do both Dommes and former Subs require this?

And Finally, does this involve cuckolding?


Speaking as one who tried subbing (wouldn't really call myself a former sub since I was never one at heart to begin with) I can say that for me, liking to watch the boys play has nothing at all to do with that. It's a kink, pure and simple- one that I've had since before I discovered D/s. I have friends that also share this kink but are vanilla in every other way.
 
I think that one thing this thread has shown is that the reasons a dominant might ask a submissive to engage in same-sex behavior are as numerous as the dominants out there. Whether it's humiliation, training, or for our pleasure doesn't really matter except to the individual sub we're asking, does it? I have to wonder, though, if male dominants have to put up with the same level of scrutiny if they make a similar request, or if society is already so predisposed to see women as more flexible in their sexuality that it's a far more accepted form of enjoyment. Why assume there's anything beyond the request than the dominant's wish to see something that turns them on?



Dear DeathinRevelry Please don’t miss understand my reason for asking the questions, it has nothing to do with being done by a Female. i Just wanted to gain an understanding as to why this is such a big issue to some here. Nothing judgmental towards them.
It is nothing i would want to do to demonstrate my devotion for a Domme. But would want to have a better understanding of what any Domme may have behind making such a request in general. i Welcome Your thoughts but,… i don’t intent to offend you by asking You for them. Ladies, Stay safe!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/9/2009 5:08:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DeathinRevelry
I think that one thing this thread has shown is that the reasons a dominant might ask a submissive to engage in same-sex behavior are as numerous as the dominants out there. Whether it's humiliation, training, or for our pleasure doesn't really matter except to the individual sub we're asking, does it? I have to wonder, though, if male dominants have to put up with the same level of scrutiny if they make a similar request, or if society is already so predisposed to see women as more flexible in their sexuality that it's a far more accepted form of enjoyment. Why assume there's anything beyond the request than the dominant's wish to see something that turns them on?


I believe I've said this prior in this thread.  It's becoming too long of a read to go back and research it.

There is a huge bias when the discussion of same gender sexual activities comes up.  It is My personal opinion that bisexuality in any form (to include bi-curious and bi-flexible) is much more widely accepted for females than it is for males.  Why this is, I really can't say.  I also can't say that I understand it.

No, I don't think male Dominants are scrutinized for their enjoyment of watching two females engaged in sexual acts.  Take a quick look at the porn industry to find out how popular this is.  It stands to reason that, if so many straight males can enjoy watching two females together, that there should be nothing against a straight female enjoying watching two males together. 


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/9/2009 7:46:50 AM   
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 It stands to reason that, if so many straight males can enjoy watching two females together, that there should be nothing against a straight female enjoying watching two males together. 


How stigmatized this would be depends very much on culture--there is a wide variety of porn in Japan which appears to be designed and marketed to younger girls and women who enjoy male-on-male sex and romance, for example.

I think in the West there are very different sex roles assigned to men and women, and some of the expectations laid on both are absolutely stifling.  The boundaries of heterosexuality and dominance are more rigidly policed in men; the boundaries of lust and submission are more rigidly policed in women.  Men are seldom asked to question themselves for feeling ANY desire so long as it is "appropriately" heterosexual and dominant--they can desire any number of women, of any ages or race, in any combination, so long as they are dominant in the scene.

Women are seldom called into question so long as their desires and relationships keep them comfortably dependent upon or subservient to a man.  (Note that they are supposed to desire subservience to "a man", not "men" in the plural--a whole lot of stigmas attach themselves to women who enjoy more than one partner.)

Submissive male homosexual eroticism steps on multiple boundaries which are heavily policed.  Bound to be a touchy subject.  The boundaries for submissive female sexuality, straight or gay, are much less heavily patrolled.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/9/2009 8:10:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not a disagreement in thinking, Shatki.  I would agree that the attitude is more prevalent in the West, which is what I address.  I would also think that, even taking the D/s out of the equation, there is still the underlying acceptance of bisexuality for females, where males are still struggling with it.

As clip will often say, part of the issue here is because of the culture.  We are absolutely not caught up with many of our counterparts all over the world.  Here, we are still very narrow minded in our (general our) view of sexuality.  It doesn't just relate to this topic, either.  The same can be said of anal stimulation for males.  (Yes, I know mal is going to show up.)  Perfectly acceptable for females to be comfortable with the pleasure that can be derived from the nerve stimulation.  Yet many males feel that they have to hide that they enjoy it.  This in addition to the fact that they have a prostrate on top of the same nerve endings that a female has.  Now, really, does that make any kind of sense?  LOL.

I'm not saying that anyone has to like activities that they personally don't enjoy.  It should be enough to accept that some people do.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/9/2009 11:34:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not asking you particularly, LP, because I know that hetero males sucking cock is of only minute and passing interest to you . . . but what, exactly, is at the root of the fun (some) women get in seeing this?  In my best two-women-together fantasies, there's always something slightly sadistic.  One woman doesn't really want to, but is seduced into it, somehow, by the other, who is more powerful.  Thinking back on it, this is what used to give my ex (nominally, a vanilla) her jollies with regard to fantasies about me and another man.  It always had to be a man that had qualities she thought I envied and he always had to have 'the power' - e.g., it would always take place in his home.  And he absolutely had to be yanking my hair at the time.  That last detail was crucial. 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 3/9/2009 11:44:01 AM   
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As clip will often say, part of the issue here is because of the culture.  We are absolutely not caught up with many of our counterparts all over the world.  Here, we are still very narrow minded in our (general our) view of sexuality.  It doesn't just relate to this topic, either.  The same can be said of anal stimulation for males.  (Yes, I know mal is going to show up.)  Perfectly acceptable for females to be comfortable with the pleasure that can be derived from the nerve stimulation.  Yet many males feel that they have to hide that they enjoy it.  This in addition to the fact that they have a prostrate on top of the same nerve endings that a female has.  Now, really, does that make any kind of sense?  LOL.



Another issue which needs to be considered is having a hetero male forced to suck a cock is directly violating every belief he has about his own concept and understanding of his heterosexuality. For many males, this is a taboo they will not cross and for others, this taboo can be crossed but under certain conditions which still allows them to believe that their self definition of heterosexuality isn't being violated.


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