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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/29/2009 8:10:37 PM   
UPSG


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an interest in forced cock sucking


the interest makes me believe it won't be forced when it happens.
I think it is more a kinda shame of males then a hetero/bi/gay thing.
IF they like sucking cock.. why not just say so..instead of hiding behind "forced"


Unless all of this "slavery" constitutes an absolute sense, like Antebellum chattle slavery, were brutality (literally) could be implemented, then nothing in BDSM fetish slavery is "forced." Some on here argued in another thread that a "slave" can have choice and perhaps even call "time out." If this is the case none of it is forced nor slavery.

But I suppose it's the erotic *play* and the *game* (or reality if the mental and or physical slavery is more complete) of being forced that said people enjoy.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/30/2009 1:39:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		At the risk of repeating Myself, I would like to comment on the following.

I find this discussion very similar to the debate on another topic.  That being does a sadist enjoy playing more with a bottom who enjoys pain for pain's own sake or is there a greater fulfillment found with a bottom who endures pain to please the top.  I'm going to say the same on this as I do on that. 

Just like a maso who enjoys the pain in a scene because they truly relish the sensations, the same can be said of a male who willingly and hungrily will suck cock.  They eagerly await the experience.  The anticipation for the act.  They enjoy what they are going to anticipate in.  The mood prior can be lighthearted and fun, with all of the participants looking forward to the fun that will be had.  No issues with shame, taboo, or labels.  Nothing in the way.  No fear.  No doubt.  It's all about the sensuality of the act. 

The reluctant cock sucker has his appeal as well.  Just like the service sub who will take pain because it is his duty, the reluctant cock sucker does so out of loyalty, devotion, and obligation.  It is all about his desire to please.  There is nothing in it for himself.  It is all about the service that he provides.  The approval of his Mistress is enough to negate his feelings of doubt and dread.  The look of fear in his eyes prior to opening his quivering lips is intoxicating.  Watching his internal struggle as he fights to conquer his inner demons can be better than the act itself.  Being so fully possessed that he knows that he has given over his will to another.  He gives something he wouldn't have ever contemplated if it were not for the outer influence.  To reach into his soul, and find the thing that he would never believe he could do, unless completely accepted and fully owned.

Which is better...... I can't say.  Would anyone like to engage in this facet of the debate, rather than the tired, boring discussion of what it means to whom?


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/30/2009 1:45:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UPSG

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

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an interest in forced cock sucking


the interest makes me believe it won't be forced when it happens.
I think it is more a kinda shame of males then a hetero/bi/gay thing.
IF they like sucking cock.. why not just say so..instead of hiding behind "forced"


Unless all of this "slavery" constitutes an absolute sense, like Antebellum chattle slavery, were brutality (literally) could be implemented, then nothing in BDSM fetish slavery is "forced." Some on here argued in another thread that a "slave" can have choice and perhaps even call "time out." If this is the case none of it is forced nor slavery.

But I suppose it's the erotic *play* and the *game* (or reality if the mental and or physical slavery is more complete) of being forced that said people enjoy.




I understand what you say. It is often the fantasy that makes it exciting. Forced as in really forced would be rape ofcourse.
Just the hetero part I find weird as a hetero. As you can see..it leads to confusion....but also to a nice discussion.
In the end people should do what they like and enjoy..that is most important

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/30/2009 5:07:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

At the risk of repeating Myself, I would like to comment on the following.

I find this discussion very similar to the debate on another topic.  That being does a sadist enjoy playing more with a bottom who enjoys pain for pain's own sake or is there a greater fulfillment found with a bottom who endures pain to please the top.  I'm going to say the same on this as I do on that. 

Just like a maso who enjoys the pain in a scene because they truly relish the sensations, the same can be said of a male who willingly and hungrily will suck cock.  They eagerly await the experience.  The anticipation for the act.  They enjoy what they are going to anticipate in.  The mood prior can be lighthearted and fun, with all of the participants looking forward to the fun that will be had.  No issues with shame, taboo, or labels.  Nothing in the way.  No fear.  No doubt.  It's all about the sensuality of the act. 

The reluctant cock sucker has his appeal as well.  Just like the service sub who will take pain because it is his duty, the reluctant cock sucker does so out of loyalty, devotion, and obligation.  It is all about his desire to please.  There is nothing in it for himself.  It is all about the service that he provides.  The approval of his Mistress is enough to negate his feelings of doubt and dread.  The look of fear in his eyes prior to opening his quivering lips is intoxicating.  Watching his internal struggle as he fights to conquer his inner demons can be better than the act itself.  Being so fully possessed that he knows that he has given over his will to another.  He gives something he wouldn't have ever contemplated if it were not for the outer influence.  To reach into his soul, and find the thing that he would never believe he could do, unless completely accepted and fully owned.

Which is better...... I can't say.  Would anyone like to engage in this facet of the debate, rather than the tired, boring discussion of what it means to whom?



@ bold: LMAO! I'm sorry, but that should be a T-shirt.

@ the rest: The dangerous thing about you, is that you apparent;y have too deep an insight into the loins and mind of the male submissive/slave. You right good too. I think I concur with your post and with the last sentence of the fourth paragraph hitting the nail on the head. (no pun intended )

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/30/2009 6:03:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

At the risk of repeating Myself, I would like to comment on the following.

I find this discussion very similar to the debate on another topic.  That being does a sadist enjoy playing more with a bottom who enjoys pain for pain's own sake or is there a greater fulfillment found with a bottom who endures pain to please the top.  I'm going to say the same on this as I do on that. 

Just like a maso who enjoys the pain in a scene because they truly relish the sensations, the same can be said of a male who willingly and hungrily will suck cock.  They eagerly await the experience.  The anticipation for the act.  They enjoy what they are going to anticipate in.  The mood prior can be lighthearted and fun, with all of the participants looking forward to the fun that will be had.  No issues with shame, taboo, or labels.  Nothing in the way.  No fear.  No doubt.  It's all about the sensuality of the act. 

The reluctant cock sucker has his appeal as well.  Just like the service sub who will take pain because it is his duty, the reluctant cock sucker does so out of loyalty, devotion, and obligation.  It is all about his desire to please.  There is nothing in it for himself.  It is all about the service that he provides.  The approval of his Mistress is enough to negate his feelings of doubt and dread.  The look of fear in his eyes prior to opening his quivering lips is intoxicating.  Watching his internal struggle as he fights to conquer his inner demons can be better than the act itself.  Being so fully possessed that he knows that he has given over his will to another.  He gives something he wouldn't have ever contemplated if it were not for the outer influence.  To reach into his soul, and find the thing that he would never believe he could do, unless completely accepted and fully owned.

Which is better...... I can't say.  Would anyone like to engage in this facet of the debate, rather than the tired, boring discussion of what it means to whom?




lol..*shyly steps back into the shadows*..................

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 1/30/2009 1:58:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I find this discussion very similar to the debate on another topic.  That being does a sadist enjoy playing more with a bottom who enjoys pain for pain's own sake or is there a greater fulfillment found with a bottom who endures pain to please the top.  I'm going to say the same on this as I do on that. 



I remember that topic.  I had always wondered about that not being a real pain guy. 

As for the other stuff, contrasting the avid cocksucker to the reluctant cocksucker my first thought is, wow you've got this down to a science.  Done this before? 

When I was younger I was more squeeked about the idea than after I was owned.  You are right in your description that the need to please is very strong especially in a relationship.  I was in a LDR and found myself agreeing to do it on the phone.  It fell through before I got there.  We had a good laugh about the bullit I dodged.  Or bullit shaped object anyway.  It was good for some good natured teasing.  Anyway the point I was going to make is that some of those hard limits can soften up once a Domme gets a sub in her clutches.

As a side note, I notice there is spell checking in forum replies now.  I love that the spell checker knows the word cocksucker.  Let's see... what other words does it know?
Bill


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/5/2009 6:42:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		As tragic as this real life situation is, it made me think this is more evidence that heterosexual males can be manipulated into homosexual acts or at things that skirt that equation between two guys. Again, this is tragic, but it might possibly evidence heterosexual males are not 100% invincible in their "wall of heterosexuality" so to speak.

News video: http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/39111007.html

(teenage boy manipulates other boys into sex acts after tricking 31 of them in his school to send them nude photos)

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/5/2009 7:28:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		UPSG,

This is a little off the subject but I don't think anyone would care if high jacked this thread and pistol whipped the driver at this point. (Metaphorically of course)

I'm fascinated by how malleable human behavior is.  The younger the person the more susceptible to manipulation they are.  Have you ever heard about the human behavior experiment where people were divided into prisoners and guards?  The guards spiraled down the path to sadistic behavior.  They baby stepped into it and the researcher said even he was affected in his inability to see that things got out of hand.  I saw a documentary that showed film of this and then compared what happened in this experiment to Abu Ghraib.  We all thought thought those people were terrible people and this documentary was convincingly saying most people would probably react the same way they did.  Now that's really scary. 

There's lots of other bizarre examples like the guy that called McDonalds (I think) claiming to be a cop and convinced the boss and her boy friend to abuse a young worker.  There's examples of false confessions and in younger people even making them believe they were guility when they could not have been.  A curious experiment where if enough people said a circle was a square they could get the last person to agree a circle was a square.  It amazes me.

As a disclaimer let me say I'm not trying to draw parallels to the kind of power exchange we usually talk about on this forum.  It's just an interesting subject related to the article you posted.

Bill


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/5/2009 10:18:41 PM   
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My thanks to the three of you that appreciated My last comments.  Yes, I have dabbled in this type of play from <cough> time to time, so I do have certain...... insights.  It's a fabulous avenue to explore.  I have been graced by the opportunity to do so by some wonderful submissives in My life and I am so grateful for the experiences.  Due to the various angles, there is so much fun to be had.  All it takes is an open mind and a willingness of the spirit.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/5/2009 10:54:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The most common request by 'do me' subs is to be raped by strapon or forced to perform on strapons. I have numerous calls also of men offering to "help" me with my male subs. Ironically, however, very few that have actually come to me have expressed any interest in group activities with males. Regardless the underlying theme of performance on some type of phallus is very much present and popular it appears amongst men seeking something interesting to do with themselves in these scenes. Many feel very comfortable with  females guiding them through such. One recently said he wished I had a "real one" for him to perform on and actually seemed quite disappointed to discover that I do not. LOL

edited for spelling.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/6/2009 5:37:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subtex

I'm fascinated by how malleable human behavior is.  The younger the person the more susceptible to manipulation they are.  Have you ever heard about the human behavior experiment where people were divided into prisoners and guards? 


I know of the study you speak of from an introductory sociology class.

You think being a teenager had something to do with it? So do I to a certain extent. But the fact that the guy committing the crime and threats was another teenager, in my mind (not saying I'm correct) seems to deflate some of the intimidation factor we could easily put off on large, looming, adult males e.g. Priests.

I have no answer but I wonder how a 20 year old male would respond to a 19 or 20 year old male? Same with a 35 year old with a 38 year old threatening him?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/6/2009 5:50:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		All it takes is an open mind and a willingness of the spirit.

It would take a lot of trust too, LP.  For a sub to come back from doing something like that, he'd have to know you'd still be there, feeling the same for him, at the end of it.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/6/2009 6:23:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does take a lot of trust.  I certainly wouldn't argue that.  However, I couldn't say I've ever felt "the same" after breaking this kind of ground.  If anything, it's always brought Me closer.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/6/2009 6:40:59 PM   
subtex


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Status: offline 		UPSG,
I agree an authority figure is a factor.  As interested in the subject as I am though I haven't studied it much.  I checked YouTube they don't have the exact documentary I saw but they do have others under Human Behavior experiments.
Bill


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/6/2009 7:01:35 PM   
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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/6/2009 7:49:37 PM   
LadyPact


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/10/2009 2:00:53 PM   
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It is almost as if You and i have discussed this in person.
You put into words better than i could.
i am a fairly inexperienced malesub, and entered this position with an open mind and a willingness to trust and obey the Domme.
She told me She always has Her malesub's eati their cum and asked me if i would eat my cum for Her. It was very strange and exciting to hear a Woman tell me this and i of course said "yes". 
The first time was very embarassing but She very quickly gave me reassurance and praised me for doing so well for Her. Embarassment switched to a very strange sense of pride for pleasing Her this way.  While She was praising me i started to think about doing it again for Her, and i started liking the idea of Her watching me eating cum. Yes i was happy to do it and wanted to do it when ever She wanted.
She later said She enjoyed watching me eat it so much She wanted to see me eating it a lot more, but She continued and told me She wanted to watch me suck Her Domme Friends. i said i had never sucked anyones cock before, and She told me not to worry. She had already asked 3 Dom's She knew to help Her in my training. She told me too trust Her and She would have me trained to suck cock on Her command and i would be good at it. i only replied "yes Mistress".


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

At the risk of repeating Myself, I would like to comment on the following.

I find this discussion very similar to the debate on another topic.  That being does a sadist enjoy playing more with a bottom who enjoys pain for pain's own sake or is there a greater fulfillment found with a bottom who endures pain to please the top.  I'm going to say the same on this as I do on that. 

Just like a maso who enjoys the pain in a scene because they truly relish the sensations, the same can be said of a male who willingly and hungrily will suck cock.  They eagerly await the experience.  The anticipation for the act.  They enjoy what they are going to anticipate in.  The mood prior can be lighthearted and fun, with all of the participants looking forward to the fun that will be had.  No issues with shame, taboo, or labels.  Nothing in the way.  No fear.  No doubt.  It's all about the sensuality of the act. 

The reluctant cock sucker has his appeal as well.  Just like the service sub who will take pain because it is his duty, the reluctant cock sucker does so out of loyalty, devotion, and obligation.  It is all about his desire to please.  There is nothing in it for himself.  It is all about the service that he provides.  The approval of his Mistress is enough to negate his feelings of doubt and dread.  The look of fear in his eyes prior to opening his quivering lips is intoxicating.  Watching his internal struggle as he fights to conquer his inner demons can be better than the act itself.  Being so fully possessed that he knows that he has given over his will to another.  He gives something he wouldn't have ever contemplated if it were not for the outer influence.  To reach into his soul, and find the thing that he would never believe he could do, unless completely accepted and fully owned.

Which is better...... I can't say.  Would anyone like to engage in this facet of the debate, rather than the tired, boring discussion of what it means to whom?


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/16/2009 3:18:46 PM   
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You didn't really expect anything less, did you?


No.  The day you put a foot wrong, I'm out of here.

I'm sorry to have taken so long to reply, LP.  Very rude of me.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/16/2009 5:16:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quite all right.  I've been rather....... busy.  LOL.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 2/16/2009 7:16:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the OP - I have a strong M/M fetish. It does not have to be hetero men, it can be any combo. 

To LadyPact - good question. As a Sadist I enjoy both. With one that enjoys pains I can really let loose. However, there is also an appeal for the one that accepts pain to please me. I have a feeling it would be the same with M on M, however thus far I have only had willing participants.

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