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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/7/2009 10:33:31 PM   
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In my Opinion, yes he is less of a submissive. There are alot of things in this lifestyle that are against most religions and Laws.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/7/2009 11:10:19 PM   
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LP,

Following from Freud's thinking on penis envy, but translating this to the sphere of Femdom/malesub:  do you think that a femdom's desire to see her sub male suck cock is actually a manifestation of her more deep-seated envy of homosexual males - thus her yearning to be a homosexual male? 

No, I don't.  I see it as the same as the same desire for voyeurism as males have to watch  two females.  I don't think anyone would believe that would relate to vaginal envy. 


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 3:55:22 AM   
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Fair enough, but I do think you could put a bit more effort into it when I ask a stupid question, LP.  Stupid questions can take work and inspiration, you know. 

OK, I'll make do with a sensible question, then.  In your ideal male on male scenario, what sort of attributes would you like to see in the male whose todger is being slurped?  What would be the icing on the cake? 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 7:37:48 AM   
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Hello LadyPact

Only one of the 4 Dommes ( 3 of which i only met one time ) discussed removing body hair.  Her side of the dicussion was telling where and how She wanted me too move my legs so She could get Her razor into the nooks and crannies.

Your experiences differ than Mine.  I don't shave My boys.  I expect them to maintain themselves in service to Me.  I want their time, dedication, and devotion in the ability to present themselves in the way I find most pleasing.  This is the physical result derived from the mentality that the boy should always be pleasing.  I feel that a sub should be ready to present himself in this manner.



I totally agree Lady Pact, we also see it as a lil ritual for them, in preparation etc.

I get quite a sadistic buzz, with the hairy ones, removing wax after waxplay. That will teach them lol



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 7:42:18 AM   
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While I'll agree everyone has their own way to submit or Dominate, if you are not willing to submit completly to your Dom/Domme then your are only partially submissive. You will only submit what you want when you want,and therefore not a true submissive. I was only using the one act as a example.



I agree, most are usually bottoms, who slam themselves with a submissive tag.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 11:25:43 AM   
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Fair enough, but I do think you could put a bit more effort into it when I ask a stupid question, LP.  Stupid questions can take work and inspiration, you know. 

OK, I'll make do with a sensible question, then.  In your ideal male on male scenario, what sort of attributes would you like to see in the male whose todger is being slurped?  What would be the icing on the cake? 


I had written out an answer, which was subsequently swallowed when I lost My internet connection.

Basically, I do want it to be someone that I find attractive in some way.  Generally height/weight proportionate.  I've never been one for muscle bound types, but someone in relatively good shape.  Since we've been on the subject of hair removal, yes, that is something that I prefer.  Not to mention how a stray short and curly can screw up a good blow job.   I think most folks around here know My preference for longer haired males, but that isn't always so easy to find.

I don't necessarily expect there to be an attraction between the males, though I do expect there to be nothing offensive about the other individual.  As we've discussed on the thread before, they also do need to come with a clean bill of health, etc.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 11:33:32 AM   
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My ex - who was in most ways vanilla - was very specific.  'He' had to be very, very lean - skinny, in my terms.  Younger than me, and (oddly, I thought), a bit shorter in height.  She was the same as you regarding long head-hair, and wanted him to be somewhat shaven 'down there'.  Oh, and she didn't want me just to lick his dick, either. 

She got so astonishingly turned on by this.  I could sit next to her and whisper a story into her ear and she'd have an orgasm without even touching herself. 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 11:40:57 AM   
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I find the way this thread is titled a bit perplexing, ""Heterosexual" males sucking cock"  SINCE, in a sexual perspective, one is defined by one's actions, neither of the males involved tn the afforementioned actions would be defineable AS heterosexual males. BIsexual, HOMOsexual, yes, but not hetero. This is one of those instances where terms and definitions get in the way. Obviously there are women that enjoy male-on-male action the way there are men who enjoy female-on-female action, no judgements made either way. HOWEVER, per the definition of Rape under the U.C.M.J., "Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense"...Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to change the definition.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 1:08:02 PM   
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ho·mo·sex·u·al (hō'mə-sěk'shōō-əl, -mō-) 
adj. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
n. Usage Problem
A homosexual person; a gay man or a lesbian.

bisexual bi·sex·u·al (bī-sěk'sh&oomacr;-əl)
adj.
Relating to both sexes.
Having both male and female reproductive organs; hermaphroditic.
Relating to or having a sexual orientation to persons of either sex.
n.
A bisexual organism; a hermaphrodite.
A bisexual person.

By my understanding of these definitions to be homosexual you have to have an attraction to the same sex.
To be Bisexual you have to have an attraction to both sexes.
If a male is forced to suck another man's cock but has no attraction to men, is he still homosexual? If a man is raped by another man does this mean he is a homosexual??
If you are used by a Woman wearing a Strapon wouldn't you also be Homosexual??

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 1:30:37 PM   
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Just as well few people bring dictionaries to bed with them, isn't it? 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 1:51:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

LP,

Following from Freud's thinking on penis envy, but translating this to the sphere of Femdom/malesub:  do you think that a femdom's desire to see her sub male suck cock is actually a manifestation of her more deep-seated envy of homosexual males - thus her yearning to be a homosexual male? 

No, I don't.  I see it as the same as the same desire for voyeurism as males have to watch  two females.  I don't think anyone would believe that would relate to vaginal envy. 



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 2:00:16 PM   
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Freud was a freak... penis envy... yeah right. I doubt if anyone ever asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, I would ever answer... a man. I don't envy a penis.. I just like them. Some of the shit that guy pulled off and people fell for is amazing in a not so good way. Mention his name and I for one will think whatever follows, is crap.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 2:28:44 PM   
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Freud said himself that he didn't understand women . . .

But forget the question, Lockit.  I only dreamt it up to jolly things along here a bit.  I don't think anyone's looney enough to believe that idea.

What am I talking about?  This is CM! 

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 7:08:02 PM   
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I find the way this thread is titled a bit perplexing, ""Heterosexual" males sucking cock"  SINCE, in a sexual perspective, one is defined by one's actions,


Bullshit.  One's orientation is defined by one's proclivities.  There are numerous cases of gay men and women trying to fit into s heterosexual marriage to be "normal" before they gave it up.
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neither of the males involved tn the afforementioned actions would be defineable AS heterosexual males. BIsexual, HOMOsexual, yes, but not hetero. This is one of those instances where terms and definitions get in the way. Obviously there are women that enjoy male-on-male action the way there are men who enjoy female-on-female action, no judgements made either way. HOWEVER, per the definition of Rape under the U.C.M.J., "Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense"...Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to change the definition.


Assuming that your thesis had validity, you obviously meant INTENTIONAL penetration.  Else a man who was unwillingly raped homosexually would be classified homosexual by your definition.

Since I've never heard anything in support of your statements, could you provide a reference?


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 8:27:33 PM   
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If you are used by a Woman wearing a Strapon wouldn't you also be Homosexual??

Nope, if a man has sex with a woman, it can't be homosexual activity, even if she's the one doing the penetration. She still looks, smells, tastes, and feels like a lady, not a man. If I used a strap-on on another woman, you wouldn't call it heterosexual, right?

Anyway, while I understand that a man could hypothetically suck another man's cock without being bisexual, if he's the one *asking* to do that, rather than the Domme initiating it, it does seem to me like he's a bit bicurious or heteroflexible or whatever you want to call it. I've dated a couple of bisexual men, and have no problem with them, but the "forced" dynamic and humilation play that a lot of submissive men demand when they want this style of play really weirds me out.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/8/2009 8:38:28 PM   
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If you are used by a Woman wearing a Strapon wouldn't you also be Homosexual??

Nope, if a man has sex with a woman, it can't be homosexual activity, even if she's the one doing the penetration. She still looks, smells, tastes, and feels like a lady, not a man. If I used a strap-on on another woman, you wouldn't call it heterosexual, right?

Anyway, while I understand that a man could hypothetically suck another man's cock without being bisexual, if he's the one *asking* to do that, rather than the Domme initiating it, it does seem to me like he's a bit bicurious or heteroflexible or whatever you want to call it. I've dated a couple of bisexual men, and have no problem with them, but the "forced" dynamic and humilation play that a lot of submissive men demand when they want this style of play really weirds me out.


The never-ending line of "straight" men that seek out this activity, ask for it, beg for it
and crave it, also weirds me out.
Actually, it does not "weird" me out that much any more, it helps me "weed" them out.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/9/2009 8:00:10 AM   
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But he would be penatrated by a cock(a fake one but still) and by ANRsubs definition above that is all it takes to be Homosexual.
having him suck another man was not his idea. Nor was it something he wanted to do. It was something I wanted him to do to show his total submission to me. One more way to show him who is in control.

Maybe if I put it another way. If a Dom had his female sub go down on another woman would she be a Lesbian or a submissive??

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ORIGINAL: LadyDarkWolf
If you are used by a Woman wearing a Strapon wouldn't you also be Homosexual??

Nope, if a man has sex with a woman, it can't be homosexual activity, even if she's the one doing the penetration. She still looks, smells, tastes, and feels like a lady, not a man. If I used a strap-on on another woman, you wouldn't call it heterosexual, right?

Anyway, while I understand that a man could hypothetically suck another man's cock without being bisexual, if he's the one *asking* to do that, rather than the Domme initiating it, it does seem to me like he's a bit bicurious or heteroflexible or whatever you want to call it. I've dated a couple of bisexual men, and have no problem with them, but the "forced" dynamic and humilation play that a lot of submissive men demand when they want this style of play really weirds me out.



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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/9/2009 8:12:09 AM   
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Did I mention I can suck my own dick?



That must make me asexual.


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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/9/2009 8:16:46 AM   
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No, pyro, but it does make you a valuable property.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 9/9/2009 8:21:14 AM   
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Did I mention I can suck my own dick?



That must make me asexual.



Video, Please!!

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