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subjackster -> Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 5:59:55 AM)

Less than a month ago my boyfriend told me that he was into role playing, bondage, the sub/dom scene and I must say I was shocked. I've been very open to everything he's wanted to try and have loved every minute of it. My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?




angelikaJ -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 6:05:24 AM)

Being a "good submissive" does not mean you are a mindreader.

Communication between partners is very important and if he does not know that perhaps he should go back to Dom school.









ViceVersa -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 7:10:38 AM)

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What does it take to be a good submissive partner?


Answer 1: The best place for this question on collarme is the Ask a Submissive/Slave forum.

Answer 2: Being submissive for one thing. What he wants, what you want and what the two of you are together may be very different things. It sounds like it's all so new to you that you may not even be clear that you're submissive. There are plenty of good books out there - When Someone You Love Is Kinky, Different Loving, S&M 101, Screw the Roses/Send Me The Thorns. Reading those books would be a good place to start. All can be ordered from bn.com or amazon.com. There also are many great books on bondage (just search).

Answer 3: Get to know submissives and dominants and see what submission means to them.

Answer 4: If he's not willing to help you learn about submission before asking it of you, that would be a red flag for me.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 7:20:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subjackster
My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?

"Good submissive" is generally different for everyone.  As much as people would love to just be handed a manual and be able to follow it, relationships just aren't like that.

Unless he's telling you and you're just not listening, his response that you should "just know" is crap and a cop out.  Sit down and seriously communicate expectations and terminology together.




Dnomyar -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 7:25:28 AM)

This question was asked yesterday. Like V.V said move over to the sub forum and you will see the answer to your question.




chamberqueen -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 8:14:55 AM)

There are times when "you should know what I want" has it's truest translation in "I'm not exactly sure what I want so I expect you to do your best".  Some Doms manage almost every single step, some allow a lot of freedom.  I'm currently in a relationship with a lot of freedom.  I use this to make suggestions, allowing my Dom to make final decisions.  For instance, I told him that I love undressing him so he has made that a standing rule now - I am to undress him from the waist down.  (He often pulls off his own shirt since they are not button down.)  I might tell him that I have been dreaming about trying x, and he almost always agrees.  You might try thinking about things you would really like to try and simply sharing those things with him.  




sub4hire -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 8:20:39 AM)

It does not matter where you ask the question.  In certain forums you may get more answers than another.
The man needs to learn to communicate with you.  If he cannot tell you what you should do, then he doesn't know.
Ask him what type of role playing he is into...what does he do?  Even ask him to show you some porn he likes...at
least then you would get an idea of what he may like to try.  Then talk to him about what he shows you.

You could ask him to go to a local munch...meeting real people will help quite a bit.  Do a google search for Caryl's BDSM page...there are munches all over.  A munch is nothing more than a meeting with like minded individuals in a nice neutral place.  Like a local restaurant.  There is nobody dressed oddly...nobody beyond your little group would know you were there for anything other than a PTA meeting unless you tell them.

You can't please someone who doesn't know themselves what they want.





Madame4a -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 8:21:56 AM)

might be he needs to learn about being a dominant...

you might try to find some like-minded people in your area, start going to munches.. events.. even play parties...

it takes years to be a 'good' anything...and even then, there are no guarantees




Floggings4You -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 8:25:11 AM)

Lots of people in the lifestyle will tell you that a submissive needs to be a good listener, should be obedient, etc.
 
While those things are important, I believe that a submissive also needs to be open about your feelings, needs, etc.
 
My submissive has struggled with the fact that I enjoy pleasing her; that it turns Me on to know that she truly enjoys the things I'm doing to her.  It also turns Me on to hear about her fantasies, her desires, etc., and to have her ask (OK, beg!) Me to do those things to/with her.   
 
It's always up to Me whether (and when) to follow through on her wishes, but I enjoy what W/we do together much more, if I know that what W/we're doing is pleasing to U/us both.
 
So, be open about your own desires and fantasies.  You might just find--as My submissive and I have found--that the things he's most interested in doing to you (but, perhaps, apprehensive about discussing with you openly) are also many of the same things you fantasize about having done to you.
 
Best wishes!
    


quote:

ORIGINAL: subjackster

Less than a month ago my boyfriend told me that he was into role playing, bondage, the sub/dom scene and I must say I was shocked. I've been very open to everything he's wanted to try and have loved every minute of it. My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 9:18:16 AM)

Welcome to the Message boards here.  It's perfectly acceptable to post specific questions in the General BDSM discussion forum.  This way you are certain to get advice from a wide range of people.

Perhaps the single greatest piece of advice that is given regarding most BDSM issues, is "Communication".   Generally speaking the issue that block communication need to be addressed.

Nobody is a mind reader.  However, some people are very adapt at reading body language, facial expressions, tone of voice and such.  Some of these things work to a limited degree. 

One of the beautiful things about a D/s relationship.  Is that the Dom partner has the Freedom to express exactly what they want, how they want it and when they want it.  Basically, they are the ones in charge of things.  

I do not expect for anybody, submissive or otherwise to simply know what is on my mind.   From my own experience, I have known people that were able to read me pretty well at times, in terms of my physical reaction to something going on.  Where as they would quickly assert themselves with a question or make a comment about my reaction.  This in itself is just a general skill that anybody can do.  Regardless of orientation (submissive, switch or Dom/me).

Generally by making a comment with regards to an observation, you might be able to use this to get your Dom partner to open up and feel more comfortable in expressing themselves deeper.   Two things not to do, that is to make an assumption about what's on their mind.  (you might have a good guess, but guesses are not always right), and don't push or expect for them to give you an answer.  Basically, it just makes them aware that you are attuned to them. 

Now, it's ok to be assertive as a submissive, provided your Dom partner can deal with it. (some can't deal with it very well).   With that said, a good Assertive submissive will ask a lot of questions in regards to figuring out the likes and dislikes, wants and needs of their Dom partner.  This is just a form of picking the brain.  With that said, this gives you an idea of what you should or should not be doing.  This should give you an idea as to how to run on what I call "auto pilot" mode.

In short, Micromanagment on the Dom part varies in degree.  Something that is unique from relationship and person to person.   The less your Dom partner wants to manage you, the more you have to operate on "auto pilot" mode.

The bitch about "auto pilot" mode is that at times, you might find yourself wishing, wanting and desiring for your DOM partner to step in and be a little more assertive in a Domly manner.  That you would Love for him to Give you a direct direction, guidence, orders, commands or whatever else.  

There is line when a submissive might feel, like they are being given "too much freedom", some submissives desire a large amount of Micromanagement or management, others desire less.  

There is a whole balancing act that needs to be done, to sort of establish a control baseline.   Some Doms don't want to manage what you are wearing for the day, and if you ask them and press them on it, well they just might come back with an answer such as "you should know".   Which is Domly pussy boy talk for saying "I don't give a shit" or in short "I don't want control over that aspect of your life".  However, some Doms find it hard to express that they don't want control over something because it conflicts with the notion that they are in control.

It's a little difficult to know exactly the issues in your relationship.  Meaning I don't know honestly what your DOM partner means when he says "You should know".  Everybody on this message board is even more clueless then you are.

I'm just tossing out some of my thoughts based on personal past experiences, and things I know about.

I know one thing is for certain, that it takes good honest communication for any relationship to work.  If anything it's perhaps even more important in a D/s relationship.

In terms of being a "good submissive" that's rather subjective.  Because what one person feels or thinks is a good submissive another person might believe that they are not.   It's what your DOM thinks.  

This is why I find it important to include positive reinforcement.  Such as saying "Good girl" and other similar things.  I could care less if the rest of the world thought she was crappy submissive.  She's know without question she is "Great submissive" in my eyes.  That's what counts! 

I've tried to toss out a few things for you to think about.  One of the downsides that Doms are often have to overcome is that it's OK to tell somebody what to do, how to do it and when to do.  That it's OK to boss little girls around and use them to please them.  Even more so when the girl wants to do anything and everything in her power to please their Dom.  So he may have some issues regarding his own Social Conditioning that he must face.

I wish you the best of luck.  Keep an open mind with things people post on the message boards.  Some advice is really good, some not so good.  People are giving their thoughts and advice based on the limited information you provide.   Everybody has had different experiences (good and bad).  Read through the posts and take what you find is useful or of value to you.




Icarys -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 9:26:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subjackster

Less than a month ago my boyfriend told me that he was into role playing, bondage, the sub/dom scene and I must say I was shocked. I've been very open to everything he's wanted to try and have loved every minute of it. My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?

I'm sure this may not be what your looking for but get some books..go to some websites..keep reading the boards and talk to other slaves(always take what they say with a grain of salt "even if they sound like they know what they are talking about" that goes for the Masters as well) but MOST of all listen to your Master if you trust him and search yourself while doing all of that and make up your own mind.

Don't wait for Him to tell you absolutely everything..go talk with him and see about asking questions.




lovingdomwanted -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 9:35:13 AM)

Be gentle with her....Prehaps she thought that getting a Masters point of view might give her a better idea how to please her partner.

It can be really daunting to post on these forums, esp when people are quick to put others in their place or tell them to bugger off.

To the OP....Please do come and post on the Subs page.....Generally we are a kinder bunch of people, who do not mind helping.....Oh and Welcome to this wonderful lifestyle......Feel free to PM me on the other side.




khem -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:02:25 AM)

He's a new Dom? 

Blowjob. 

It's hardly ever an incorrect assumption of what he wants [:D]

*dodges the flames*




Icarys -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:15:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingdomwanted

Be gentle with her....Prehaps she thought that getting a Masters point of view might give her a better idea how to please her partner.

It can be really daunting to post on these forums, esp when people are quick to put others in their place or tell them to bugger off.

To the OP....Please do come and post on the Subs page.....Generally we are a kinder bunch of people, who do not mind helping.....Oh and Welcome to this wonderful lifestyle......Feel free to PM me on the other side.

Sound rational advice...




Dnomyar -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:26:19 AM)

The sub page is not any kinder than it is on here. I know because I go there. Communication. communication, communication, communication, communication.




lovingdomwanted -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:27:24 AM)

Khem.......That respnse did not make much sense.....

But if you read the Op's opener, it states.....'Less than a month ago my boyfriend was into role-play and BDSM, etc etc'.........That does not indicate he is a new Dom, how can he be into those things without experiencing them?.....Either way, he wants to take the Dominant Role and she as a Loyal Sub is going out of her way to please her partner.......Ok he should be willing to tell her what he wants, but he is obviously a type of Dom that expects his Sub to take the iniative.....We are not to judge what is right or wrong or laugh at this poor girl.....She should be applauded for her efforts.......It would be nice if we all gave this girl the benefit of our experiences.




Alumbrado -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:35:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subjackster

Less than a month ago my boyfriend told me that he was into role playing, bondage, the sub/dom scene and I must say I was shocked. I've been very open to everything he's wanted to try and have loved every minute of it. My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?


It is a good question, and it has come up before in the sub forum, and in this one.


And nobody should 'just know'. 

Productive communication early and often can head off a lot of potential mishaps, and both parties should make it a priority to find out what the other is wanting and feeling.




Dnomyar -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:35:27 AM)

She will get no benefit from me. I have no experience. OP your probably shaking your head by now. Just shift thru what makes sense to you here and go with that.




thetammyjo -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 10:36:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subjackster

Less than a month ago my boyfriend told me that he was into role playing, bondage, the sub/dom scene and I must say I was shocked. I've been very open to everything he's wanted to try and have loved every minute of it. My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?


Wow, if he wants you to be a good submissive then he needs to be a good dominant. Just saying you should know what to do is certainly not being a good dominant.

Tell him to either learn to communicate better or he won't get what he desires at all -- the blame will lay with him when that happens.




BitaTruble -> RE: Advice/help needed (6/12/2008 12:19:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subjackster

Less than a month ago my boyfriend told me that he was into role playing, bondage, the sub/dom scene and I must say I was shocked. I've been very open to everything he's wanted to try and have loved every minute of it. My question is this: What does it take to be a good submissive partner? All I want to do is please him, but if he doesn't tell me what he wants and says I should know, but I don't. Does anyone have any useful advice or help?


You're going to get a lot of folks telling you to communicate which is very generic advice and not all that helpful if it's the other guy who won't open up or you don't know how to do communicate.

To get someone to open up requires that you ask the right questions.

"What do you want?"

"You should know."

Well, that's not very productive is it! Before you open your own mouth to ask a question, think about what information you already have (which is probably more than you think it is but also less than you need) and what it is that you really need to know in order to please him.

Do you know his favorite flavors? Favorite drinks? What does he like to do to relax? What happens to his forehead when he's concentrating? Does he get little wrinkles in it? Do they furrow down the front or go across in straight lines? When he gets a phone call from a good friend, does he light up and get animated? Do his eyes widen slightly or do they close a bit and crinkle on the sides? Does he chew on the end of pens or pencils? Does he doodle? Like to cook? Sing in the shower?

You probably know a whole lot more about him than you think you do .. and if you can't answer all those questions and a whole lot more then when he says "You should know" he might be dead on accurate.

So, instead of "What do you want" .. how about .. "What do you want for dinner?"

He might say he doesn't care in which case you can turn to knowledge of him and prepare something you know he likes (which should please him!) or he might give you a specific menu in which case you can please him by preparing it. Win-win!

Of course, you can fuck with him by making something he hates as well so as to manipulate a reaction. The submissive you want to be is the submissive you decide to be, so it's up to you.

Learn him first, ask the right questions, be observant and before too long, you will know .. you know, if you wanna.

My advice - do your homework.

Good luck!




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