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Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/24/2004 6:26:46 PM

knees2you

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I learned something Last night~
A Sub/Slave are one in the same. If You choose to be a
toilet Slave then that is what You choose. If You are Submisisve,
and don't like that sort of thing, "Then that is not Your Kink~"

Over in the middle Eastern countries they have people that
are bond together because they have no choice, but that does not
make them a Slave. Maybe a Prisoner, but not a Slave.

Even If You where chained up in a basement, and forced to drink
or eat someones fluids or feces, You are not a Slave. You are being held against Your will~

Whatever Your kink is, is what You like.
It does not make You a slave.

If a Domm or Domme, Master or Mistress, wants You to consume
any part of there bodily fluids, or whatever they decide they want to do~ It is Your choice if You decide to. You do Have a choice~

Sincerely, eyesofAslave

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"No I'm not affraid of Who's behind the door~"

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/24/2004 7:41:06 PM

Estring

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knees, I am curious. What happened last night to make you realize all this?

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/24/2004 9:28:11 PM

MistressDREAD

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I disagree

a submissive chooses by the moment by the minuite
by the hour by the day by the week by the month by
the year when and how and who and where they will
choose to serve a Dominant daily to fullfill their selfs
or to not.

a slave chooses to serve once forever
to fullfill the Dominants needs.They a person held
concensually in servitude as the chattel of a
another person. one that is completely servient
to a Dominating influence. a device
(as in a posession) that is directly
responsive to anothers needs completly.

if you are a person whom is suplicant and in order
for you to feel suplicant you make choices in what
you will give then you are submitting but if you
choose to let another say what you will give you
are slave

now this is My take on those into suplication

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/25/2004 12:47:39 AM

Sinergy

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quote:

they have people that are bond together because they have no choice,
but that does not make them a Slave. Maybe a Prisoner, but not a Slave.

Even If You where chained up in a basement, and forced to drink
or eat someones fluids or feces, You are not a Slave. You are being held against Your will~

quote:

I disagree

What exactly do you disagree with?

People held against their will are not slaves in the BDSM sense?

Sinergy

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/25/2004 5:39:19 AM

iwillserveu

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A person is what a person wants to be. If someone fetishes being called honeybuggleschnookums after cleaning the toilet with their tongue and the Mistress/Master agrees (Domina/Dom - whatever [the boss, ok?

]) then they are a honeybuggleschnookums. The problem is if they come here and say, "I'm a honeybuggleschnookums" someone will tell them that "honeybuggleschnookums" don't act that way and they are not a true "honeybuggleschnookums".

The only problem with "slave" is some people expect that person to act diferently towards people that person could not care less about. I see the problem with the word, not the concept or the person.

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/25/2004 7:25:17 AM

knees2you

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Well it looks like only one person out of the four so far who replied to my posting actually read the post.

If you want to call Your toilet girl or boy a slave, that is fine.
But they are not.

All these Profiles looking for a slave, well if a person
decides to leave he or she justs packs up and go.

It all boils down to submmiting pure and simple..

Sincerely, eyesofAslave

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"No I'm not affraid of Who's behind the door~"

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/25/2004 9:16:37 AM

gitta

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Mistress DREAD,
Thank You for Your post, it seems clear to this one that she is not the only human on this planet that knows there is a difference between a submissive and a slave.

Having lived as one or the other for 35 years now, this one can say for her the choice was made by her heart. she is a slave and always will be.
However this one is no less valued and respected, than any other human, she is who she is and yes she is property.

In all of my years this one has never been asked to comsume bodily fluids, that is not the sort of thing any Master desired of this one. Some understand the values in others stations, some do not. All realms have different expectations, and without doubt different ideas as to what service is. From her heart, this one serves with honor and pride, not for play, not for some kind of kink or thrill. She serves because it is her station, a choice she made and lives with.

Albeit this girl is a slave, she is well educated, worked outside the home, and has always been treated with respect and thoughtfulness. In the beginning she was sent to train on a ranch (having entered this life before Gorean Culture was well known), This place taught much about what it truely means to be property and serve. What she learned that is most important was how to give her freedom and how important it is to understand one can only be free after giving that up.

As a submissive she was allowed more control, smiling if a slave wanted control, she would be a Domme. Having control is something that simply did not make her free worthy or valued. For this one, it is of the heart..some people need their reins held tight, and this slave is one of them.

It is not this ones place to say what is right or wrong, good or bad, just what she knows to be her truth.

smiles,
slave gitta

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/25/2004 9:19:34 AM

perverseangelic

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quote:

ORIGINAL: knees2you

If you want to call Your toilet girl or boy a slave, that is fine.
But they are not.

All these Profiles looking for a slave, well if a person
decides to leave he or she justs packs up and go.

It all boils down to submmiting pure and simple..

Sincerely, eyesofAslave

Yup, that's how I feel, too. We maintain the fiction because it serves us and pleases us, however if a slave (in the United States) wishes to leave and is held against his/her will the person holding them becomes a criminal, regardless of the Master/slave status.

"The myth of consensual slavery" :) It is as real or as valid as each party wants it to be, and that can be -very- real and -very- valid, but in -any- situation (again, in the US) if the slave is ready to leave, or no longer wants something done to him/her he/she CAN revoke consent and leave.

In order to believe this isn't true, I think I'd have to see court decitions supporting the Master/Mistress whose slave left.

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/26/2004 10:06:10 PM

MzBerlin

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BERLINS' BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!!!!

I agree with iwill.
As Always
Berlin

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/29/2004 8:37:57 PM

pet4Mommy

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i disagree with that statement. a slave is a slave and a sub is a sub.

subs have limits and choices, where as slaves give full control to their Dom/Domme. so there is a big difference between the two.

Submissive (sub): A person who gives the control to another person (Dom/me, Top)

Slave: A person who gives the control to another person (Dom/me, Top) Sometimes used the same way as the term sub, some people distinguish a sub from a slave by pointing out that a slave doesn't have the possibility to chose her/his destiny.

as seen above...

- slave

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/31/2004 7:25:47 AM

pixieunleashed

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quote:

Over in the middle Eastern countries they have people that
are bond together because they have no choice, but that does not
make them a Slave. Maybe a Prisoner, but not a Slave.

quote:

Even If You where chained up in a basement, and forced to drink
or eat someones fluids or feces, You are not a Slave. You are being held against Your will~

quote:

Whatever Your kink is, is what You like.
It does not make You a slave.

ummm....what is a slave then? or do they not exist?

***confused***

pixie

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 7/31/2004 7:42:33 AM

randsboy

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Having been involved in water sports i believe that doing so is between the slave and his Master and possibly the contract that both signed at the begining of His servatude. It is at this time that the slave can make know to his future Master those things that he finds reprehensible and would prefer NOT to participate in. For me it has been and always will be blood sports and scat, and i expect my Master to honor that always. i also expect any Master to whom i am loaned out to, sent to on a slave vacation, ect to also respect those limits. Also included here is that i will neverserve or service a female, no mater what.

in my view a Master is and will always be male, but then i am also openly gay and have made that perfectly clear on the outset. Men tend to be more in the area of understanding this and although will work on expanding your limits, they will also not take you were you will not willingly go.

nuf said.
randsboy

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/1/2004 8:48:45 PM

PassionateNights

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I think that the difference between a submissive and a slave is an ideal that we strive for....although legally can never quite obtain. Nevertheless it is still a mindset and quite capable of being "real".
The reality is we live in a free country and one cannot give up all of their rights to another and have that legally binding and socially recognized. Having set that, one can give themselves as a slave and as long as they believe and follow and act like a slave, they are a slave.....but it is an ideal being strived for and not an irreversable condition

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/1/2004 10:19:52 PM

Estring

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Lol. With knees you have to just enjoy the the way he expresses his views. Even if you are confused by them.

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/2/2004 10:00:40 AM

darkinshadows

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quote:

ORIGINAL: knees2you

Over in the middle Eastern countries they have people that
are bond together because they have no choice, but that does not
make them a Slave. Maybe a Prisoner, but not a Slave.

a slave is person forced to work for another in some capacity: for no payment and is regarded as the property of the person he or she worked for...

a prisoner is somebody who has been captured and is held in confinement in a place unable to escape a situation or condition... or a prisoner is somebody confined in a prison as a punishment for a crime or while waiting to stand trial,

There is a huge difference in the two.

Within the BDSM world... everything is a selfimpossed label. It is a choice.

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/2/2004 1:47:32 PM

iwillserveu

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A slave only counts as 3/5ths of a person for the census.

(I'll let someone else explain that, if it is not entirely ignored.

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/3/2004 5:41:33 PM

knees2you

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"Ok in the real World there is a difference, but this is the Bdsm World, and You still have a choice as to what you want to be~ If You want to be a Slave that is ok, It is Your choice. Believe that~
Same as a Sub

Sincerely, eyesofASlave

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"No I'm not affraid of Who's behind the door~"

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/3/2004 8:23:14 PM

subbiejenn

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Well i am still fairly new to this but i have to agree with Mistress DREAD (seems like i usually do).

i don't think it is legally a slave but in the BDSM world i believe there is a difference in a slave/sub.... subs have a lot more choices...have safe words but i would think slaves do not have safe words? once they do submit they lose all control over what happens.... This is what i have always been told.

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/3/2004 8:26:06 PM

subbiejenn

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quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

A slave only counts as 3/5ths of a person for the census.

(I'll let someone else explain that, if it is not entirely ignored.)

Ok i am a little slow.... but this means not worthy of being a whole person?

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RE: Her's What Slave/Subs don't realize - 8/3/2004 8:31:57 PM

gitta

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Hello subbiejenn,

Having read the last post ( from iwill) and yours, may i say i am a slave, and anything done to me is done because i trusted my owner enough to give Him my freedom, and did so with a great sense of joy...as far as the reply with the numbers from iwill, such are people who have never lived it..i am and always have been a whole person.

smiles,
gitta

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