Termyn8or
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Thought I was radical did you ?
Obviously we can't simply sterilize everyone. There would be no more people. However I have long advocated that it could be a requirement for certain things.
As part of a social engineering plan, let's say some Woman is on welfare. When she applied she had X kids. If she has been on welfare a year or more, no money would be disbursed for any subsequent children. A free abortion is offered and it comes with a free sterilization. If sterilization is refused then either have the kid and make due on what you get now, or pay out of pocket for the abortion.
Abortion is murder, and a plan like this could make it so we have to commit less murders in the future. What's more the net effect would be less of a burden on society by those who don't want to work.
But I think the OP was also meant to address the environment. So we need not limit this to the recipients of public assistance. Eliminate all child tax credits for more than two. Actually maybe do away with it altogether. Even working family's children tax the system by using the schools and a few other things. Why should they pay less when they cost more ?
In my highest mind I am against social engineering, but really, people are dumb as a post. There are necessary evils. For example I am for the legalization of all drugs. If people had any brains it would work, there would be no black market. The crime rate would plummet overnight. But I am not dumb, I see why it couldn't work. In this (and probably many) countries people are smart enough to use freedom.
You see I am qualified to judge because I am smart enough to use freedom. I do. When I decide to do something I couldn't care less about whether it is legal. Right and wrong are a totally different issue. However in a society where I could plunk down my credit card at a local store and buy some weed, I would have to ask myself if I might get myself in trouble financially doing it.
And rampant comsumer spending is getting bad. Everybody has to have a new plasma TV. Thing is they are so cheap because of exploitation of labor in foreign countries that almost everyone can afford them. But their life is very limited and you can expect to have to buy a new one in 2-4 years, almost for sure. And that is whether you use it alot or not.
So the process goes on. In China do you think the elite setup the economy to benefit the poor ? Hell no, they couldn't care less. They did it to make money. And by now they have made enough to buy and sell the US.
In a way I think they have actually invented the perpetual motion machine in the form of what they call the ecomony. Genus : vicious cycle. Sub genus : Trap.
However like any other such purported machine, it cannot be perpetual. As they print more and more money, most of which is taken by the rich, the machine is eventually going to stop.
It will stop when money gets down to the point where it is no longer a viable medium of exchange for certain things. People are already trying to take the wind out of it's sails so to speak, by converving and carpooling a stuff like that. This is but a drop in the bucket.
Nature has a way of correcting itself and the elite, as smart as they may be, do not know everything. Let me tell you something they don't know.
Time is going to comewhen prices are so out of reach that you are going to see groups forming to carpool for example. We will see more gardening, perhaps in areas that are zoned right some cattle being raised and sold direct, like on a black market. Small cartels of middle class and working poor pooling resources, supporting gardens that grow food and who knows what else. People will do things for themselves and not let their money go through the system so much.
People will realize that there are few things that money has to buy. People will barter. Mow your grass for a season for a fraction of the produce from your garden. Or for fixing the gutters on the house.
The only money that goes out is for gas for the mower, or nails or other materials. Dollars can't be used as a measure, it would have to be units or credits or something. Something stable. Don't even pretend it is backed by anything but your trust in your friends and neighbors. I nice size bag of veggies could be a credit. Fixing your car could be whatever the mechanic says, but people should be hip to the relative value of things and if the quote is too high, walk.
I think the elite are shooting themselves in the foot. They are going to cause some unintended consequences for themselves. Case in point, the conversion to digital TV. Poor families with five kids generally have probably four TVs these days. Now you have to buy a box and you get coupons for two. So you get two.
What happens when families are forced to watch TV together sometimes ? They may discuss things and develop their mind. Other TVs in the house can still run DVDs or video games but the money is not there to rent or buy them. So it's either the same old game or go watch what the others are watching.
The elite are smart, of that there is no doubt, but I don't think I could call them intelligent. They are like a savant. They only know certain things.
People have a tendency to move away from what they call an impovershed area. They grow up in the inner city, and then the ones who make it financially move out. The entrepeneurs who started out in the suburbs who "rise above it all" move to big places out in the sticks, not to return to that grubby middle class suburb.
They become ignorant to the condition in the old neighborhood. In some cases their political views change. They try to build ivory towers so to speak just as those who make it to their former position do.
By the time they start even considering political power, they are so far removed from the commoner that they are not qualified for political power, yet the elite are the ones who have all the political power.
And they did not get there by being nice.
Buying seeds, gasoline, car parts, paying utilities and motgages or rent. That is where the money will go when the shit hits the fan. People in a neighborhood with enough room for a substantial garden will do so, they might even get together and agree who is going to grow what and there is some barter going on when the crops come in. One guy might have enough money to buy a side of beef and have it butchered, then trade that for other goods and services.
And people are going to have to make some actual money of course. So I let my mechanic use my yard and jack, and a few other things to do a job. He owes a cut for that, but I say no. Pay your phone bill, in case my car breaks down.
In other words, there will be less money going through the "system". That is what can hurt them. They might take notice. But as it's been said, 80% of the poor in this country have a TV. Imagine if they didn't.
Imagine if people sat around trying to find ways to be productive, to make ends meet. Imagine if instead of renting, buying or stealing DVDs and video games, they went back to chess and card games like pinochle. Exercise. After the garden is taken care of, of course. People making/building useful things in the basement.
All this from a lack of entertainment, but then human nature of some of the commoners will be to fuck. Some are going to be counterproductive. Well they better get something going for them, because in a barter system there should be no charity. We already only doing this because of strife, and you are going to compound the problem because you can't stop fucking ? Out.
That is the change I believe we are going to see. Nature will right itself. They gave us the internet and now Americans have access to news worldwide, BIG mistake. The elite are becoming aloof and ignorant.
This has happened in many societies, and most fall. But now the elite are shooting for a worldwide solidarity, for the elite of course. They almost have it. They think that being global will protect them, and it will to some extent. But in their never abating quest for more, it is coming to every corner of the globe. Let them have their solidarity. They will destroy the euro like they're doing to the dollar, then the yuan, the the pound, not necessarily in that order of course. But by dragging everything down in their quest, they are going to hit rock bottom.
Wait till someone shows up to buy a tomato, and I say "whaddya got ?". he says "money". I say no. Mow my grass.
That will be the only way for people to survive. They can't prop this up much longer.
T
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