Aswad
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How do they keep "the beast" at bay?
By realizing that there is no beast. There is only me.
Once you seperate "me" from "it," you anthropomorphize it, give it substance and power. With the light on, the monsters in the closet are just shadows of the clothes I'll be wearing the next day, nothing special. They have nothing to draw on that my mind hasn't supplied them with. Without moral rejection to lend a fabric to invert, even the worst psycho is nothing but a beast. There is nothing to fear there, beyond whatever fear you might have for a beast in the woods (and I believe the usual term there would be "a healthy respect"). There isn't anything to play on and turn into something horrid.
Would I love to tear you up until the sobs give way to gurgles? Sure, I would.
I'd also love to go see the museum based on Peach Blossom Valley.
Neither is something I've got on my slate for today.
Any reason why it should be?
Thought not.
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If there were no laws prohibiting it how far would a sadist go?
Law does not figure in my decisions as to how far I'm willing to go, except indirectly, in that being caught might impede my ability to honor commitments that I hold myself to, such as the care and welfare of my beloved, my household, my family and my pets. It would also be damn inconvenient, but I've no record, so I could boot.
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How does conscience play a role in allowing oneself to go only so far?
Conscience taunts you to go further, by providing you with a notion that your desire is somehow "wrong," where, in fact, a great number of us are wired with a very simple and direct predatorial instinct: Hunt. Conquer. Kill. Without the reference fabric that perverts this into something unnatural, that's all there is.
Your cat has it, too. Yet, it will spend inordinate amounts of time cuddling, sleeping, grooming and generally being a lovely little furball. What it lacks, is incentive not to do this when the opportunity arises, and a grasp of the picture that makes "opportunity" a thing that is contingent on balancing many factors. For sure, if the things a cat can relate to provide it with a reason not to act on that instinct, it will not. If I see my cat hunting a bird or mouse, and dangle a pack of fresh kibble, it will forget the bird and come running.
Humans who have fully accepted the same instincts will work in much the same way: in a civilized setting, there isn't really any circumstance where the pull of instinct outweighs other factors. Most won't ever fully accept it, because doing so involves grasping just how "dark" that shadowy figure in the closet is, but until one does cross the room and flip the lights on, it's going to be there. And it's not too keen on being shackled.
Can you domesticate it? Sure.
And if your morals dictate that you reject the full extent of what nature put in you, then you should.
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i have done some reading on serial killers, many of whom are very sadistic, and a common element is that after the first kill the rush and thrill they get out of it creates a desire for them to do it again and to also go further than they had before.
If you hang around some forums dealing with taboo sexuality, you will see that quite a number of people have the same thing. It's not the act itself that drives them, at least not at first, but rather the iconoclasm- the tearing down. Like a boy that feels a secret thrill that he's been bad. Once the taboo is gone, so is the thrill.
Then it's on to the next, greater act of iconoclasm, to relive that experience.
(I'm simplifying here. There's other factors, too, of course. You can see those up close, like in a zoo, by visiting any board room in any country. Or by talking to a sport hunter. Anyone that channels the underlying instinct in a manner that society deems acceptable, and thus doesn't incarcerate for it.)
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Is there a thrill in walking this thin line?
I try not to draw any lines. I'm no tightrope artist.
I'm just human. I talk, I fuck, I torture. Right thing at the right time.
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Where does sadism go from being an expression of ones desires to being dangerous and, dare i say, sick?
There's a difference?
It's a desire like any other, regardless of its level. All desires are dangerous to others, if they are exercised in the wrong way, at the wrong time, or to the wrong extent. If we'd been without dangerous desires, we wouldn't bother to make laws, or rear children to be socially integrated, or anything else that involves constraining those desires. Sadism just happens to be poorly tolerated in its physical forms.
I would consider the desire to hunt-conquer-kill a very healthy one, in itself.
I would consider the inability to exercise good judgment a major flaw, regardless of desires.
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i have heard many sadist friends say that "the beast" (as they termed it) scared tham at times during play - that primal lust building up to a point they could not control how far they would go.
Cf. the above. There is no beast, until you create one.
We are primal. Lest people forget, H. Sapiens is an animal. A recent offshoot of the hominid branch.
I would say there would indeed be cause to worry if we were not properly equipped with the instincts that have allowed us to survive and thrive. And there would also be cause to worry if those instincts were thrown too far out of balance. And that is just what has been going on for a very long time now, a cultural disease.
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i think there is a definite difference between sadists that inflict pain irregardless of whether the sub enjoys it, in spite of if she enjoys it, only when she enjoys it, and when she definitely doesn't want or enjoy it.
Yes. Some of those are sadists. Some are not.
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As a masochist i want all of them, which is hard to find.
Sadly, I'm betting you're on the wrong continent, though.
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i don't want a sadist to take me only as far as i am willing to go all the time. i want to know he took something from me that was all for himself and that he got satisfaction from it.
Which would be one of the differences betwees sadism and pain kink.
Like many here, I can certainly enjoy either, but one is preferred over the other.
Health,
al-Aswad.
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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