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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 9:18:17 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Thad, that was not directed at you. Look through the posts for the phrase "I thought you had given up your anti-Semitism".

And DA, how about this. We guard our borders and leave those people fucking alone ? Are they over here bombing us ? If so I have not noticed it. What were we doing BEFORE 9/11 ? What were we doing BEFORE PEARL HARBOR ? Blockades, sanctions, all kind of friendly stuff. On yeah, that makes friends.

BTW, I understand that when you are incarcerated you do strip naked, but where does the dog come in ?

I am not yet buying it, perhaps some of you should team up and come up with a real response and TELL ME WHY IT IS OK FOR THE US TO TORTURE OTHERS BUT IT IS NOT OK FOR OTHER COUNTRIES TO DO SO. TELL ME THAT FIRST, then we will get to the rest of the total fucking bullshit.

I CHALLENGE EVERYONE HERE TO TELL ME WHY INTERNATIONAL LAWS AND STANDARDS OF DECENCY SHOULD NOT APPLY TO A SELECT FEW WHILE THEY GO OUT AND SEEMINGLY ENFORCE STANDARDS ON OTHERS THAT THEY PLAINLY STATE THAT THEY DO NOT INTEND TO MEET.

You have the floor, I am all ears.

T

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 9:23:55 PM   
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I was doing that dancing around wherever there were townie girls and Jerimiah Weed! Panties on the head, ooooooooh noooo by the name of allah please not the pink thong I will tell you all I beg of you not the thong!!!! The fuckers were made to eat pig, drink liqour, get naked, jerk off in front of females, and put panties on their heads... Thats torture? No thats a pig roast and wild party at Kev's house. LOL



Oooops, you're starting to repeat yourself. A party at Kev's house .

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 9:35:36 PM   
Thadius


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Status: offline 		No worries, just a misaimed reply.  Completely understandable.

While I tend to be against torture (of anybody) for obvious reasons, I don't like taking any option off of the table.  Even if it is just the bluff of using it.  This however does not make torture legal, and definitely should not be endorsed, by the US or anybody else.

Having spent a little bit of time being subjected to a hot box and sleep deprivation, I can say that if somebody is prepared for it, it could possibly add to their resolve to resist or give false information.

I guess this falls along the same lines for me as the Nuclear option,  I would never want to see it exercised, but having the option on the table can open other areas of dialogue.

I wish you well,
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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 9:46:00 PM   
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And DA, how about this. We guard our borders and leave those people fucking alone ? Are they over here bombing us ? If so I have not noticed it. What were we doing BEFORE 9/11 ? What were we doing BEFORE PEARL HARBOR ? Blockades, sanctions, all kind of friendly stuff. On yeah, that makes friends.

BTW, I understand that when you are incarcerated you do strip naked, but where does the dog come in ?



Term,

What were they doing before 9-11? Well lets see - blowing up the USS Cole, blowing up United States Embassies in kenya and Tanzinia? Blowing up the world trade center the first time? Blowing up an airliner over Lockerbee Scotland? Tossing a wheelchair bound civilian over the side of a hijacked cruise ship? Beating an unarmed Navy diver on a commercial airliner to death and tossing his body out on the tarmac? Dragging the corpses of US soldiers sent to distribute food during a famine through the streets by the intestines? Blowing up the US Marine barracks? Hijacking airliners? Taking over our embassy and holding the staff hostage for over a year? That enough for you??? if not we can go on and on - like trying to assisnate the first President Bush? Attacking our allies? Killing Isreali athletes at the Olympics? Notice a pattern of "unacceptable anti-social behavior"???

The fact is that when I was a child my daddy was in uniform doing his part to kill muslims with a bug up their collective asses. Then I grew up, put on a uniform and went on to kill muslims with bugs up their asses. Then  a decade later I went back to once again kill yet more muslims with a bug up their asses. I have absolutely no doubt that one day I shall have a son who will himself have to go kill the muslims with bugs up their asses... It has always been that way, right back to the crusades and it shall always be so until we take the bold step of a enacting a final solution to the muslim problem. They have a radical religious belief that they must slay the infidel - and much to their chagrin this infidel would rather be the slayer than the slayee....

As for the outrage over the dogs... You are thinking "civilian prisoners". There is a hell of a difference between lockup at the county jail or even a state pen and a POW camp. As I said - nudity, animal or insect bites, exposures to temperature extremes, beatings, electric shocks, immersion, starvation, filth, sexual humiliation, psychological manipulation - thats all part of the game... If you dont want to play, dont take up arms. I knew god damn well what was in store for me if I had to eject over Iraq or Somalia and it sure wasnt a clean comfortable room with crisp sheets and mints on the pillows. These fucking ignorant peasants want to play war, then they get what they get. War is a rough game and the question is who's meaner??? My advice, after completing SERE is to avoid capture - being a prisoner is uh, "uncomfortable at best". Hence the reason I made it a point to maintain a 1:1 take off to landing ratio.

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 9:51:36 PM   
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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 10:19:04 PM   
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Hence the reason I made it a point to maintain a 1:1 take off to landing ratio.

I would be inclined to recommended that practice generally. But I digress...
 
Before you get nailed six ways from Sunday for your Muslim references, I'll dare to credit that you would feel the same way (if you had been there) about those crazy Christians with a bug up their ass during the Inquisition. 
 
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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 10:44:43 PM   
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Hence the reason I made it a point to maintain a 1:1 take off to landing ratio.

I would be inclined to recommended that practice generally. But I digress...
 
Before you get nailed six ways from Sunday for your Muslim references, I'll dare to credit that you would feel the same way (if you had been there) about those crazy Christians with a bug up their ass during the Inquisition. 
 
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Yes Ill go along with that... However in my life time, in fact for my whole life time, we have been having "muslim problems". I am 40 years old and I remember the Embassy thing in Iran. I remember the Navy diver, Robert Stetham, who was beaten to death and tossed out of that hijacked flight. (in fact that was a big issue at my house cause he was previously one of my dads men!) , the bombing of the Marine Barracks, etc...

A lot of people forget that Islamic terror isnt a new phenomenah that began on 9-11-2001. I have seen it my whole life, and I dont see why we should tolerate it and worry about the rights of those who undertake it.

I myself could give a damn what faith people practice. I am non religious / agnostic / will go to whatever church preserves domestic tranquility when I cant otherwise avoid it. (I've been married to a Jew and a Catholic and lived with a Baptist.)  People can have whatever religion they want, but when their religion preaches the road to salvation is the killing of me - well then I take exception.  

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 10:55:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		DA, WHERE ? Did they come here and do that. The Mcveigh folly was aimed right at Arabs, and it was an embarrasment when it turned out to be a US citizen.

WHERE was it, on American soil ? they did not come to us, we came to them.

Think if they would have come here, you and I would be beheading them over a couple of beers. We came to them, and unless you can get that, along with the fact that WE CAME TO THEM FIRST, you will never know the whole story. Go vote for McCain, he has a plan for global warming. It has been proven to me because it was an ad on TV. The TV never lies, neither does armed forces radio or any other licensed media outlet. They are told what the truth is and must report it.

Are you sure you don't want the oceanfront property in Belin, NM ?

They have lied to you all your life, of that there is no doubt.

You know about scalping by the American Natives ? Well it was started by the colonists, they started it. Did you know that ?

But the difference still remains, the fact that we came to them, they never had any intentions of coming to us until then.

And in every foreign war since the inception of this country, the same is true.

Perhaps US soldiers were not treated all that well in the countries we invaded, and perhaps we are morally superior to Hitler, the Bolshevics and the Emporer of Japan, but I have not seen any evidence of it lately.

And my question remains unanswered, why is it OK for us to break the rules that we set for other countries ? I see no answer to that question. All I see is posturing that they did it first, when anyone who knows real history knows that is untrue.

What makes it OK for us but not for others ? A simple answer. Not based on retaliation, revenge is preached against in all corners of society, and even if, DA, every point you make is valid, it is still revenge, which is descraibed as a sin, a deadly sin and who knows what else. It is heralded from the mountaintops that we should forgive.

But the thing that people like you do not realize is that it is not for us to forgive, it is for our victims to forgive us.

Now kit, here I am standing up for Arabs, against a Man who has fought for his country, which is something I will not discard. Many Arabs are Semites, call me an anti-Semite again.

I beg the indulgence of your time to present a response linking my statements in this thread to anti-Semitism in any way. I am still waiting.

DA, I don't care what you think of me, but if you are willing to accept that there is a different viewpoint than your's, which has been washed, waxed and polished by the service, I can respect that. But is a soldier ever told that he is doing wrong ? Hell no.

We are told we are there to liberate Iraq, they forget to mention the we were the ones to put this "monster" in power, and supported him as we do any despot, as he punishes his enemies and rewards his friends (for how many years ?). And we wonder why we were not greeted as liberators. We wonder why the people fought against an occupying force. We wonder why when the invasion was impending and they passed out AK47s to the people, why they didn't have a revolution right then.

Wonder what would happen if those kinds of things happened here.

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/27/2008 11:18:43 PM   
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DA, WHERE ? Did they come here and do that. The Mcveigh folly was aimed right at Arabs, and it was an embarrasment when it turned out to be a US citizen.

WHERE was it, on American soil ? they did not come to us, we came to them.



Well lets see the first World Trade Center Bombing was in New York City??? You know the place where the twin towers used to stand? The US Embassies in Iran, Tanzania, and Kenya were US diplomatic facilities in supposedly friendly nations... As US Embassies they are "american soil." The USS Cole was a United States Navy vessel docked in a supposedly friendly harbor... Stetham (the diver) was executed while a passenger aboard a civilian TWA flight which as a flag carrier makes the aircraft american soil. So uh , yep the attacks are against us and they are indeed attacking us.

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 12:02:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first WTC bombing attempt was orchestrated by the US government, well factions thereof, proven fact.

Oh, and Iran emabassy, you mean the Shah ? Oh that is simple. The US helped that lunatic to power (go figure) and then after he tortured a shitload of people which was enough to cause a fucking revolution in that country there was one requirement for the release of the detainees, and the was the shipment of the Shah to Iran to stand trial for his crimes against humanity. However he gave heavily to Carter's election bid and Carter, who was actually shielding his beneficiary, used the guise of the fact that the Shah would be tortured if he were returned.

You see my friends, we have had our fingers in that pie for a very long time. You were never told, all the Iranians wanted was the Shah, they would have released all the detainees (I refuse to call them hostages) the fucking minute the Shah arrived on their soil, subject to their judgement. The guy was a butcher, he made Ariel Sharon look like Jesus Christ. He was a very bad, corrupt and unbalanced person and did many things that enabled the revolution.

Back then they were always at war with Iraq, and that is when, during this period of disharmony, the PTB in this country decoded to take sides with Iraq, which of course required a new "leader" and that "leader" was Saddam Huessein. We put him there, and pretty much we took him out.

Come on now, you think a peanut farmer has enough money to become President ? What planet is this ?

This is what I am talking about, all this shit that happened years ago. Most Americans have forgotten, but I do not forget. Even with all the shit in 1948 and 1967, we could have stayed the fuck out of it, but we didn't. But that doesn't excuse our later actions.

We TAUGHT the Kuwaitis to cross drill and steal Iraqi oil, Kissinger told Saddam reasonably that the world would just sit by and watch if he attacked Kuwait for doing that. He was duped. And that was his undoing.

Now he has been executed and can't write any memoirs, I bet they would be interesting, about Reagan and all that, I bet he had alot to say. Milesovic (who they took down for not giving them exclusive rights to certain resouces in his country) did something similar. He started spouting off, telling of CIA agents and diplomats he met and what they had said. The trial turned out to be a BIG problem for the PTB and they had to make it private, out of the public eye. We must simply take their word for it.

We started it, of that there is no doubt, and if you have a good memory you might be able to see it as well. But most people would rather watch a movie or play a game than to deal with any real issues. They forget.

Maybe they'll remember on their death bed, or two seconds before sombody blows thei head off.

Personally I don't care. Nobody seems to know, or want to know how this whole fucking mess got started, and if I said it I would be ostricizedf. So guess what, I won't say it.

If one wants to get me on the other side, feel free, but you are NOT getting the whole answer unless and until you can prove that you can hamdle it. I will not waste my time.

T

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 12:27:28 AM   
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Yet nobody wants to talk about all of the "prisoners" that have been released, or that many of the countries that these "prisoners" are citizens of are unwilling to take them back.

Sorry to go off topic a bit here... but I seem to remember congress having a huge debate and setting a protocol for how these folks were to be processed, the end of which was supposed to be militarty tribunals.  How can the courts overstep that authority and grant themselves any sort of jurisdiction that was not given to them by Congress?

This also brings up a couple of  interesting side effects.  If we declare that anybody taken prisoner by the military is subject to the judicial process back here in the states, does this mean that we are going to now require soldiers to maintain chains of evidence, pick up every piece of debris that may or may not be evidence, and basicly treat engagements like crime scenes after the fact? 
Secondly, does this open up our men and women to the judicial processes of a government if they happen to be captured?  I can think of a few places where violating Shiria law can be punished by death, even though those violations would not be "illegal" under most international laws.

Sorry for ranting... just some things to contemplate.


Well, let's contemplate this.  Since we have ignored the Geneva Conventions and twisted the meaning of torture into what suits us, doesn't this open up our soldiers to torture by other governments if they happen to be captured?

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 12:42:36 AM   
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Thanks for the link.. I hadn't read that article.

Doesn't this ultimately show that those that are of no threat are being released?  Afterall, he states clearly "interviewed 66 released detainees".

I would also point to your last statement, as it shows part of the bias presented from the interviewers point of view going in.  "The McClatchy reporting also documented how U.S. detention policies fueled support for extremist Islamist groups. For some detainees who went home far more militant than when they arrived, Guantanamo became a school for jihad, or Islamic holy war."   I can name many other things that are reported as fuelling support for Islamist groups.  Such as our support of Xionist occupationalists (Israel), our various foreign policies (not just those limited to the Bush admin), and many others.  Should we then just fold up and accept all of the blame for such hatred, I would personally like to see some interviews with people still detained.  I would love to know how they feel about having the medical treatment, regular scheduled meals, and religious freedoms that they are receiving perhaps for the first time in their lives?

I do not deny that some prisoners may have been abused or even tortured, but I would suspect (just from my personal dealings with fellow Marines) that these issues are the exception and not the norm.

Just my opinions,
Thadius


Free medical?  Regularly scheduled meals?  Religious freedom? 

Damn, they should be lining up at the gate.  Sounds like a great place!  Can you pull some strings and get me in?

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 12:56:24 AM   
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Well, let's contemplate this.  Since we have ignored the Geneva Conventions and twisted the meaning of torture into what suits us, doesn't this open up our soldiers to torture by other governments if they happen to be captured?


They already are... Everything taught at SERE is stuff that has ALREADY been done to our military personell. What is going on at Gitmo / Abu Graib / the so called "Black Sites" is straight out of the SERE class. The curriculum of te SERE class is set by what the enemy does to us... The problem with the Geneva Conventions is that nobody except us and Nazi Germany ever followed them. Japan certainly didnt - death march on bataan, burma road, Unit 731 etc... North Korea? Nope, very bad... Vietnam? Well ask McCain or Dieter Dengler about them. Iraq in 1991? Well Jeff Zahn was tortured on TV and each and its a little known fact that every POW, male or female, was sexually assaulted. Our people have ALWAYS been tortured, thats why we have SERE training. The only difference here is we said "no more Mr Nice Guy".  

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 1:32:29 AM   
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Well, let's contemplate this.  Since we have ignored the Geneva Conventions and twisted the meaning of torture into what suits us, doesn't this open up our soldiers to torture by other governments if they happen to be captured?


They already are... Everything taught at SERE is stuff that has ALREADY been done to our military personell. What is going on at Gitmo / Abu Graib / the so called "Black Sites" is straight out of the SERE class. The curriculum of te SERE class is set by what the enemy does to us... The problem with the Geneva Conventions is that nobody except us and Nazi Germany ever followed them. Japan certainly didnt - death march on bataan, burma road, Unit 731 etc... North Korea? Nope, very bad... Vietnam? Well ask McCain or Dieter Dengler about them. Iraq in 1991? Well Jeff Zahn was tortured on TV and each and its a little known fact that every POW, male or female, was sexually assaulted. Our people have ALWAYS been tortured, thats why we have SERE training. The only difference here is we said "no more Mr Nice Guy".  



The point being when our soldiers were tortured in the past we did not respond in kind.  Which allowed our government to retain a moral high ground that gave us the oppurtunity to exert diplomatic and political pressure on those foreign governments that torture, both during and after the fact.  Read McCain's account of his experiences and how the changing political climate in the U.S. affected how he was treated by his captors. 

If we can't be above that, or at least claim we are, then how can we possibly give any sort of protection to our own soldiers from it?  

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 1:42:37 AM   
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I agree with you about the moral high ground, however there is no foreign government to exert the diplomatic or political pressure on.  I was just posing questions asking for any alternative information.  My father always taught me there are 3 sides to a story, his, hers and the truth.  I think that applies here.  Those opposed to the war will highlight all of the misdeeds, those that support the war will highlight all of the successes, and somewhere in between lies the truth.

I am not even going to get into how or why the political climate was changing here or abroad during the Nam era.  It makes me sick just thinking about it.  Although some today would be happy with the same sort of result, at least that is what their solutions would lead to.



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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 2:14:31 AM   
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If you read up the page a little I already made my position pretty clear.

I agree with you about the moral high ground, however there is no foreign government to exert the diplomatic or political pressure on.  I was just posing questions asking for any alternative information.  My father always taught me there are 3 sides to a story, his, hers and the truth.  I think that applies here.  Those opposed to the war will highlight all of the misdeeds, those that support the war will highlight all of the successes, and somewhere in between lies the truth.

I am not even going to get into how or why the political climate was changing here or abroad during the Nam era.  It makes me sick just thinking about it.  Although some today would be happy with the same sort of result, at least that is what their solutions would lead to.




You're right, there is no foreign government to exert diplomatic or political pressure on.  We aren't fighting a foreign government.  We are fighting terrorists.  Terrorism, by definition, is a criminal act. 

So. how can we say we are at war?  Who are we at war with?

We need to round them up and take them out of circulation, but we need to do it by rule of law and prosecute them as criminals if we have evidence to support that.  What's going on at Guantanamo is a complete joke that the rest of the world doesn't find funny.  We've incarcerated thousands without formal charges or any avenue to address accusations against them.

I have no doubt many are guilty.  I also have no doubt many innocent people were caught up in this.  Basically what we have is an American gulag where our government is imprisoning people at their will for whatever the government, or their representatives at the time, determine might be criminal activity, not allowing any defense to be made on behalf of those accused, and claiming they have the right to detain these people as long as they want without formal charges.

I don't know about you but this is not the America I was taught to believe in.

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 2:40:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		DA, I can understand your perspective, believe it or not. In training they probably waterboarded you, and maybe even tied you up in the sun. Lay there a bit.

This was in preperation for a fight with those who we called animals for these tactics. Getting a grunt off the ground is one thing, but getting a pilot is a prize in a war. And when you bring violence to another country, that is war.

Think if they were here. Instead of us being there, they came here. Think about that.

If some foreign power decided to really fuck with the US, which is by the way almost unprecedented, you and I would be fighting side by side to defend our land, our country, our birthright. But I remind you of two facts, one, that has never happened. Whover got the 9/11 attack off the ground doesn't matter. It happened.

You think it would be OK if they put a bunch of ships at our harbor(s) to enforce "sanctions" ?. Do you think it would be OK if they went to all their trading partners in the world and effectively cut us off from what we need ? Do you think it would be OK for Japan to destroy a ship full of plasma TVs made in China ? Do you think it would be OK for Russia to destroy a shipment of oil ?

But we can't fuck with Russia. We are spread too thin. So what if it happened ?

We can't even defend ourselves, let alone the whole world.

I will stop now. I am still awaiting another response.

T

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 2:45:42 AM   
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I have no doubt many are guilty. I also have no doubt many innocent people were caught up in this. Basically what we have is an American gulag where our government is imprisoning people at their will for whatever the government, or their representatives at the time, determine might be criminal activity, not allowing any defense to be made on behalf of those accused, and claiming they have the right to detain these people as long as they want without formal charges.

I don't know about you but this is not the America I was taught to believe in.

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The America you were taught to believe in never existed.  Our history proves that. 

That said, understand that the various intel agencies have used unorthodox means to get information for as long as they have existed.

For the most part, the average american citizen could turn a blind eye and ignore the truth or remain blissfully ignorant of what was being done.

The only difference now is that the evidence was made public.


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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 3:17:28 AM   
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I have no doubt many are guilty. I also have no doubt many innocent people were caught up in this. Basically what we have is an American gulag where our government is imprisoning people at their will for whatever the government, or their representatives at the time, determine might be criminal activity, not allowing any defense to be made on behalf of those accused, and claiming they have the right to detain these people as long as they want without formal charges.

I don't know about you but this is not the America I was taught to believe in.

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The America you were taught to believe in never existed.  Our history proves that. 

That said, understand that the various intel agencies have used unorthodox means to get information for as long as they have existed.

For the most part, the average american citizen could turn a blind eye and ignore the truth or remain blissfully ignorant of what was being done.

The only difference now is that the evidence was made public.



So, on one hand you're saying that we should have all been aware that our government was full of torturers and murderers because our history proves that and then in the next breath you say that we ignored it because we want to remain ignorant?

The difference now that it has been made public is that people weren't turning a blind eye to it, they just weren't aware it was happening. 

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RE: These rats are responsible for the torture... - 6/28/2008 3:26:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

Being stripped naked is a standard part of detention. In fact, there are even rules for how to make the most of it psychologically. For example female prisoners should be made to undress themselves, while males should be undressed forcibly by other males. Psychologists have studied the issue and found this to be most effective as it is more humilating to make a woman undress whereas it is more humiliating to undress a man by force. The nudity is standard - as is the pyramids, etc... In fact a standard technique is to strip the heterosexual male prisoners and to bunch them up so tightly that they are touching front to back and to march them in circles in the sun afternoon sun till one or more pass out - all the while screaming at them with a bullhorn about what their women at home are doing. Animal or insect bites are another part of the process; as is filth, feces, vomit, etc... The bugs are actually welcomed as they give you something to eat. Textbook SERE stuff. After I completed SERE training, I needed rabies shots for the rat bites I got when I was thrown in the pit... 

There is absolutely nothing that we have done in Abu G'Raib that I have not personally experienced at SERE, and for that they can blame nobody but themselves. Who do you think writes the SERE curriculum? Our enemies! Everything done in SERE is stuff that they have ALREADY done to our men and women. Thats what the R is "Resistance" - Survival, Evasion Resistance and Escape.

Its too bad that they don't like it being done to them, but oh well guess they shouldnt have taught it to us then huh?  If its OK to do to American air crew, intelligence, and special operations personell - then its fine for muslim terrorists. At least we dont saw heads off and post the videos to the Internet like they do...

Edited to add: Whoops, I mispoke, they didnt do the panties on the head thing at SERE. I was doing that dancing around wherever there were townie girls and Jerimiah Weed! Panties on the head, ooooooooh noooo by the name of allah please not the pink thong I will tell you all I beg of you not the thong!!!! The fuckers were made to eat pig, drink liqour, get naked, jerk off in front of females, and put panties on their heads... Thats torture? No thats a pig roast and wild party at Kev's house. LOL


OK, you believe in the USA as a signatory of the charter of human rights (the ICCPR) and of the Geneva Convention should break its commitment to treat people with dignity and not deny them legal rights and rights of redress?

Yes it is torture and those images out of Abu G'Raib probably recruited many hundreds of terrorists/freedom fighters to the Islamic cause and probably ended up with more dead American soldiers than there would have been.

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