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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:01:15 AM   
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I've nothing to add to the thread title.

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:02:00 AM   
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And he was also bi, and liked buggering and being buggered.
It's already been established that he was French.
Why be redundant?

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:02:55 AM   
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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:03:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

And he was also bi, and liked buggering and being buggered.
It's already been established that he was French.
Why be redundant?



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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:06:45 AM   
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HELL NO!! Resident Sadist scares me.........De Sade?  I'd have a coronary...LOL

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:15:07 AM   
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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:27:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, I wouldn't submit to him because I haven't met him. But I'd like to, meet him that is.  Sip wine, discuss concepts. Imagine the fun of that!  Sounds like a well rounded individual who lived his life free of labels (before they became popular, required and sadly necessary.)  I can respect a man who followed his heart irregardless of what others thought.

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 11:56:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hell no.  That guy had no respect, for well, anything.

Truth be told, it pisses me the hell off that someone as wonderful as my Master gets pegged with an appellation derived from that asshat.

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 12:11:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gorgias

Hell no.  That guy had no respect, for well, anything.

Truth be told, it pisses me the hell off that someone as wonderful as my Master gets pegged with an appellation derived from that asshat.



how much of his works have you read ... ? not just the sexual stuff ... his treatise on politics and personal freedom for instance

He had profound respect for the right of the individual to live freely and self express - would have thought as someone living against the "norm" that would be something positive and non ass hatty

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 12:33:17 PM   
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I'd probably give him a shot if he was hot.

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 12:51:23 PM   
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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 2:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Note to self:  Make a list of all the people that would submit and write to them.  Anyone that would submit to Donatien Alphonse François de Sade can’t be all bad and must have a very open mind.  They would either make great friends or potential partners. 
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Another note to self… share with Greedy how revolutionary Marquis De Sade’s philosophies were and that his Letters From Prison held some of his greatest works in my opinion, not the popular 120 Days of Sodom, Justine or Juliette .  Some of his philosophical outlook was in Letters From Prison.  This outlook was the pursuit of hedonistic pleasure not restricted by morality, religion or law.  Alternatively, the violent mutilations portrayed by characters in his stories were not always direct reflections of his philosophies but rather symbolic political statements.  For example, the extremely violent BDSM style subjugation in 120 Days of Sodom was more a symbolic political statement. 

His erotic works reflected his complete open mindedness and he explored everything, including the very dark recesses of human nature and I think that is what scares people.
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I don’t remember anyone getting killed by him but his antics and scandals include forceful imprisonment and sexual use of someone who eventual jumped out a window to escape.  He drugged a prostitute, he fucked his male servant in the ass, he had a 13 year girl as his lover in his old age and most of his servants fled his service because of sexual abuse.  One tried to shoot him point blank and the gun misfired.  He is famous for being imprisoned off and on several times until finally Napoleon locked him up for writing Justine and Juliette.

For some to spend so much of his life in prison, he is known as “the freest man in the world.”
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Would I submit to the Marquis De Sade’s?  Hell, I already have.  I submitted to his philosophies when I first read Letters From Prison at the age of 13.  I remember he said morals only serve to reflect geographical location.   By that he was exemplifying that morals are not innate human nature.  My example of this would be that in the middle east a thief is looked down upon, it’s one of the lower crimes and punished by chopping off a hand.  In the U.S. we idolize and glorify robbers.  Old west bank robbers and names like Jesse James are associated with freedom and it’s an icon of the American spirit.  Cool ganster’s like Baby Face Nelson, Bonnie and Clyde, Al Capone also represent freedom and power.

Morals… as few as possible for me please. 
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My personal notes and references on the writings of Marquis De Sade:

Studies in the Marquis de Sade
Marquis de Sade: his life and works. (1899) by Iwan Bloch
Sade Mon Prochain. (1947) by Pierre Klossowski
Lautréamont and Sade. (1949) by Maurice Blanchot
The Marquis de Sade, a biography. (1961) by Gilbert Lély
The life and ideas of the Marquis de Sade. (1963) by Geoffrey Gorer
Sade, Fourier, Loyola. (1971) by Roland Barthes
The Sadeian Woman: An Exercise in Cultural Histry. (1979) by Angela Carter
Writing and the Experience of Limits. (1982) by Philippe Sollers
The Marquis de Sade: the man, his works, and his critics: an annotated bibliography. (1986) by Colette Verger Michael
The Misfits: A Study of Sexual Outsiders. (1988) by Colin Wilson
Sade, his ethics and rhetoric. (1989) collection of essays, edited by Colette Verger Michael
Marquis de Sade: A Biography. (1991) by Maurice Lever
Dark Eros: The Imagination of Sadism. (1995) by Thomas Moore
The philosophy of the Marquis de Sade. (1995) by Timo Airaksinen
Sade contre l'Être suprême. (1996) by Philippe Sollers
An Erotic Beyond: Sade. (1998) by Octavio Paz
Sade: A Biographical Essay. (1998) by Laurence L. Bongie
The Marquis de Sade: a life. (1999) by Neil Schaeffer
At Home With the Marquis de Sade: A Life. (1999) by Francine du Plessix Gray
Sade: from materialism to pornography. (2002) by Caroline Warman
Marquis de Sade: the genius of passion. (2003) by Ronald Hayman

By Marquis de Sade
Justine or the Misfortunes of Virtue Written By Marquis De Sade
Justine, Philosophy in the Bedroom, and Other Writings by Marquis De Sade
JUSTINE or Good Conduct Well Chastised by The Marquis de Sade and Rex Saviour
The 120 Days of Sodom and Other Writings by Marquis De Sade
Letters From Prison by Marquis de Sade and Richard Seaver (my fav)
Juliette by Marquis de Sade
The Crimes of Love by Marquis de Sade and David Coward
Philosophy in the Boudoir: Or, The Immoral Mentors by Marquis de Sade, Tomer Hanuka, Francine Du Plessix-Gray, and Joachim Neugroschel
Incest by Marquis de Sade
The Gothic Tales of the Marquis De Sade by Marquis de Sade and Margaret Crosland
Three Complete Novels; Justine, Philosophy in the Bedroom, Eugenie de Franval and Other Writings by Marquis De Sade (this is the only version of The 120 Days of Sodom published as Eugenie that I know of)
Betrayal by Marquis de Sade, John Burnside, and Andrew Brown
Journal Inedit by Marquis De Sade
Oeuvres Vol. 2 (Bibliotheque de la Pleiade) by Marquis de Sade and Michel Delon (Leather Bound)
Oeuvres complètes, tome 11 : Notes littéraires, Couplets et pièces de circonstance, Notes pour les Journées de Florbelle, Journal de Charenton, Lettres de Charenton et testament, La Marquise de Gange by Marquis de Sade (Paperback)

[edit: type-o, I hate that when that happens]

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 2:09:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The research is staggering, Monsieur Eric, but also derogatory of your own nature.  Where is the beast in you; are you caught in your own shadow?

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[There is also nothing as outrageous as a man caged in his own flesh.  Why is this profundity lost in a mire of sentiment?  Fools, all.]



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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 2:24:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lumus... you intellectual SOB you!  Intellect is scary ain’t it? 

• “One is never so dangerous when one has no shame, than when one has grown too old to blush.”
• “Get it into your head once and for all, my simple and very fainthearted fellow, that what fools call humanness is nothing but a weakness born of fear and egoism; that this chimerical virtue, enslaving only weak men, is unknown to those whose character is formed by stoicism, courage, and philosophy.”
• “I've already told you: the only way to a woman's heart is along the path of torment. I know none other as sure.”
• ''Sex'' is as important as eating or drinking and we ought to allow the one appetite to be satisfied with as little restraint or false modesty as the other.”
• “Any punishment that does not correct, that can merely rouse rebellion in whoever has to endure it, is a piece of gratuitous infamy which makes those who impose it more guilty in the eyes of humanity, good sense and reason, nay a hundred times more guilty than the victim on whom the punishment is inflicted.”
• “In order to know virtue, we must first acquaint ourselves with vice.”
• “The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind”
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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 6:30:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'd submit for an afternoon and see where it went from there.

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/3/2008 10:31:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, but I WOULD challenge him to a swordfighting duel.  And I would most likely win, because if he were any good, he wouldn't have been caught and imprisoned.  *laughing*

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/4/2008 2:21:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely not. I recently read 120 nights of sodom, and excluding the sickening scenes of women filled with boiling oil, roasted etc .....

"Day 28. He ...has of late begun to blow out the whore's brains, denying her any say in the matter: he embuggers, and upon discharging, pulls the trigger."

or

"Day 105. He wraps a girl and a cat in a large blanket, has her stand and dance about; the cat bites and scratches her as she falls to the floor; but, come what may, she must skip and leap, and continue her antics until the man discharges."

And that is the gentle stuff....

Know what one agrees to..... hehe :)





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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/4/2008 2:27:26 AM   
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  1. He's dead and way too Long Distance
  2. I don't think my safeword translates well into French
  3. I don't do 'titled' men anymore ... not after that incident with Lord Queensbury and the wet lettuce <shudder>
  4. I kind of think he'd be really into 'doormats' ....


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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/4/2008 2:44:05 AM   
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I most certainly would submit to M de S, i love him and his works.

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Hell no.  That guy had no respect, for well, anything.

Truth be told, it pisses me the hell off that someone as wonderful as my Master gets pegged with an appellation derived from that asshat.


Huh?
Research?
 
quote:

He had profound respect for the right of the individual to live freely and self express - would have thought as someone living against the "norm" that would be something positive and non ass hatty

What she said lol plus..........
 
An example that springs to mind but not completely clear so may get this a little wrong but concept is deffo right. Sade did a paper on and tried to alter the standard of hospital care. He also tried to show the hypocrisy and bigotry in the church. Was completely against the death penalty, stood up for 'freedom of speech'. And probably much more which i cannot recollect at this moment in time. In my opinion he was forward thinking and way ahead of his time.
The only really problem which i can see with Sade is that he was non-consensual, he did not gain consent (supposably) from many of the women he was associated with.
He actually did no worse than i do, ok im on the recieving end but does that make me an asshat?
It pisses me off that people get a glimpse or snatch of his FICTIONAL works and then judge him badly. Look at todays fictional works and there are many who write just as graphically, violently etc. Do we call all them asshats?
 
 Touchy subject for me.



 

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RE: Would you submit to the Marquis de Sade? - 7/4/2008 3:31:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks

So not to hijack, but anyone else get the emails of late from the girl who is serving a decendent of Sade?  ROFL


You had mail from Softness and i?
 
Seriously though  Softness and i have just been talking and we reckon that DV and Sir are reincarnations of the M de S only with consent. In fact we are beginning to wonder if they are actually the same person as they are never seen in the same room (theme music from the twilight zone) 
 
Some of the 'sick' (not softness's or my words but others here) stuff that Sade did or wrote about is tame compared to DV and Sir's ideas /plans.
 
 

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