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And McCain would be the second coming of what?

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And McCain would be the second coming of what?

Worst case? Gerald Ford

Best case? George H. W. Bush

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And McCain would be the second coming of what?

Worst case? Gerald Ford

Best case? George H. W. Bush

The best case would be another Bush the First?  Doesn't say too much does it?

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       Look.  Assuming Barry is given the nomination, he is going to have a major hurdle from day one.  Some percentage of normally solid, reliable, Democrat party voters WILL NOT vote for him under any circumstances because he is black.  They might vote for a yellow dog with a "D" next to the name, but not a black one.  It might not fit the talking point that all the rascists are Republicans, but it is the reality.

     Those votes are going to have to be made up somewhere.  The idealist left/progressive folk had better wake up and get used to shutting up very quickly when Obama reaches out for the votes he will need to actually win.  Yes, Jon Stewart, he is going to break your heart.  Get over it.

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The best case would be another Bush the First? Doesn't say too much does it?

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time to let the other party have residence of the big house.

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They don`t know that he`s a centrist and always has been.They seem surprised to find out that he`s got a record of working together with conservatives.

Uh, let's see... several publications, ranging form conservative to liberal to non-partisan rank barak hussien obama as the MOST liberal member of the senate. That's not exactly being a "centerist".

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time to let the other party have residence of the big house.

There is never a good time to let the Democrats take up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Not until they abandon socialism, which looks like it will happen the day after never.

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The best case would be another Bush the First? Doesn't say too much does it?

Bush I was a fairly decent President.  Did a better job in foreign policy than Bill and HIllary by a wide margin. 

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His primary deficiency was domestic policy. The things people care about the most. Read my lips, no new taxes, before he raised taxes. Remember when he he was questioned by reporters about the costs we all face and he had no clue what a gallon of milk cost?

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1) voting age kids smell the draft in the air. If McCain gets in, they can flush their lives goodbye to support President "Botch's" pack of lies. So they are motivated to vote, and to vote Democratic in huge numbers.

This is completely absurd. There is no "draft in the air"... There is no place for a draft in the modern military. The days of massed bodies with rifles are long past. The modern military needs skilled technicians not any schmuck they can teach to fire a gun. Even the infantry now is a highly skilled career field, with training requirements well beyond what they can teach some schlemeel pulled in for a year. I mean for christs sake, even regular infantrymen now use night vision goggles, they deploy from helicopters, they work with advanced systems, thermal imaging, GPS, etc etc etc. The days of "Hey Bubba just point your gun at the other guys and do what your Sgt tells you to" are loooooooooooong past.

It is my understanding that Army Basic is something like 9 or 10 weeks now, and then something like 12 or 13 weeks of school, for a regular soldier. So you are looking at almost 6 months from the time somone gets off the bus till the time they hit their first real assignment as a grunt. If they go airborne add another month, If they go Special Forces or EOD or one of the other much needed specialities - add like 40+ weeks to the above.

The modern military has no need for unmotivated short term conscripts who really dont want to be there. They are recruting motivated patriotic people who want a challenge and some of the best job training in the world.  Any talk of a draft is simple fear mongering. The return of the draft is about as likely as the return of the WW1 era biplanes or the black powder musket....

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I am a Republican that would vote for a 'Black', if her name was Condelisa Rice..She unfortunately will not be our next President..

You mean another warmongering 'war on terror' neocon ? It was she who publically said...along with Bush and Cheney, that nobody could have imagined terrorists hijacking jet airliners and using them as missiles. ALL the while all 3 knew that the FBI and Air Force among other agencies of the govt. had been studying and working on just exactly that ...FOR 2 YEARS prior to 9/11.

Theoretical targets...you gueesed it, the WTC and the pentagon.

How could it have been otherwise when the air force was conducting 22 possible terrorist 'drills' going on during what...you guessed it, the morning of 9/11.

Does that mean that if there were "warmongering" souls in power 2 years earlier, this would have been prevented?  The crowd in power now were not there 2 years before 9/11.  They had only been put in place 9 months prior (by the books, January 20th 2001).  There was enough missed for everyone to own a share.

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I would only support a draft where nobody gets a deferment,nobody.

Two years military w/ full GI benefits or 3 years non-military w/out benefits.Your choice.
                                     

    Make a note in your diary, O59.  While we could certainly quibble about details, we are on the same page here.

     Mandatory national service is something we should take a long, hard look at.

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His primary deficiency was domestic policy. The things people care about the most. Read my lips, no new taxes, before he raised taxes. Remember when he he was questioned by reporters about the costs we all face and he had no clue what a gallon of milk cost?

I seem to recall a Democratic-controlled congress that might possibly have had a hand in that....might even have been the ones introducing the new tax bills before the House of Representatives....

As for the quasi-recessions everyone likes to heap on Bush.....they were nothing compared to the stagflation of the Carter years nor to the fallout of the "dot.com bomb" let loose at the end of the Clinton years.

I'll take a second coming of Bush I over a second coming of Carter any day.

Besides...Carter's the best case for Obama.  The worst case would be the second coming of LBJ.  Either one represents a disaster for this country on all fronts, foreign and domestic.

Face it...the last good Democrat in the White House was Truman.  Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton...not exactly an inspiring roster there.

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Think again!  Even some liberal Democrats have been calling for reinstatement of the draft.  The Universal National Service Act was proposed by Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) last year.

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This is a cheap political stunt......

Even the "balls" are fake.

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This is a cheap political stunt......

Even the "balls" are fake.

     I'll leave it to our resident Naval Aviator to explain just how tight those harnesses are...  Same principle as a push-up bra, really.


      Yes.  Cheap political stunt from Rangel.

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Interesting how some will see sincere concern and responsible,patriotic and positive proposals as "only as a cheap political stunt".


This is a cheap political stunt......

Even the "balls" are fake.