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This is a cheap political stunt......

Even the "balls" are fake.

   I'll leave it to our resident Naval Aviator to explain just how tight those harnesses are...  Same principle as a push-up bra, really.


    Yes.  Cheap political stunt from Rangel.

Heretic, you are absolutely right. The harnesses are so tight that Naval aviators routinely sustain bruises from them. Anyone claiming bush "stuffed" is stooping to wishful thinking or penis envy. In reality those "balls" were his boxer shorts wadded up under a baggy flight suit with a harness tight enough to allow him to be hoisted by helicopter if needed.

BrittneyLee has an innie, not an external three piece set, and when I took her up in an L-39 she looked like she was hung like a mule because of the parachute harness, hoisting harness, and life vest straps bunching up the flight suit.  Thats the normal flight suit look, probably part of the reason that gold wings and a flight suit mean damp panties in any woman nearby... [:D] One has to wonder exactly why the dems are so fascinated with Bush's crotch though....

Edited to add: Before anyone in an attempt at Bush blasting says "he didnt have to have it that tight"... Yes, he did.A loose harness will break bones during an arrested landing wihich has a vicious deceleration best described as a controlled crash. You also exprience tremendous G forces. I weigh 230 lbs, If I make a 5g maneuver then I am exerting a force of 1150 pounds against the harness.

As for the political stunt   - I see a former fighter pilot, who is the commander and chief of the US Armed Forces, going out to a Navy vessel wearing the appropriate safety attire for anyone flying in a tactical jet. Nothing unusual about a commander going out to review his troops. You can't fly in Viking wearing tennis shoes and a 3 piece suit... I didnt fly the Viking, but I wore that exact same outfit every time I flew in anything with NAVY painted on it - only the squaron and name tag patches were different... 

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The best case would be another Bush the First? Doesn't say too much does it?

Bush I was a fairly decent President.  Did a better job in foreign policy than Bill and HIllary by a wide margin. 

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        Barfing on the Japanese Prime Minister was good.

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Ohhhhhhhh, okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, so it wasn't a political stunt.  Yeah, I see what you mean.  Obviously the only way a President can visit an aircraft carrier is to strap himself in and arrive in a fighter.  How silly of anyone to think otherwise!

And, by the way, don't disgrace those that were actually fighter pilots by equating this weekend warrior who got to play in an airplane around Texas with the real thing.

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Or this great moment in daddy Bush`s presidency.
Don`t ya just love propaganda,at it`s naked best?  Errrr, worste?

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. Air Force One doesnt have a tailhook so what would you have had them do, fly the President out on the fucking COD sitting between the mail sacks and the fresh fruit?

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Polling Data
Do you favour or oppose reinstating the military draft in the United States?





Favour

25%


Oppose

68%


Not sure

7%
Do you favour or oppose reinstating the military draft to provide soldiers for the Iraq conflict?





Favour

20%


Oppose

76%


Not sure

4%
Source: CBS News
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 1,136 American adults. Margin of error 3%.

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. Air Force One doesnt have a tailhook so what would you have had them do, fly the President out on the fucking COD sitting between the mail sacks and the fresh fruit?

I'd probably have had them get him there the same way that the hundreds of other people (Press, secret service, other "VIPs" etc.) who wouldn't be usually be there arrived. If you think it wasn't all planned out to have him show up in plane with cameras surrounding him, you're just kind of dense.

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" Well as for the press - we can cover it with this : http://www.navyjobs.com/careers/enlisted/newsandmedia/ " 


Yep thats right, the Navy has its own press both video, print, and still photo... There are ALWAYS cameras on carriers, hence the reason we can see the video of McCain leaping from his flaming A-4 after it was hit by a missle aboard the Forrestal. (Or perhaps you think that was filmed specially in the hopes that one day the young O-4 would run for president?)  Oh yes and we cant forget about the embedded press already on the ship...

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Two secret service officers accompanied the President aboard the S-3 Viking. `Others may have been present and if so they came in on the COD, sitting between the sacks of mail and fresh fruit. The COD routinely delivers people and things to carriers at sea. It is an unpleasant bumpy slow pig of an aircraft, and not suitable for transport of VIP's. Hence the reason the S-3 is routinely used for bringing less important people than the President to a carrier at sea - it is kind of the "Carrier Based Corporate Jet" of the Navy whereas the Greyhound is more akin to a UPS truck... You wont see an Admiral arriving on the COD, and I certainly dont expect the President to.

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Now since I am so "dense" (Despite spending over two years of my life at sea aboard carriers) exactly how unusual is it for the CEO of the company to arrive via corporate jet instead of riding in the back of a pickup truck with the field hands?

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Also, the "hundreds of people" you think went with him - exactly where did they stay? Hmmm? How many extra racks do you think they have on carriers???? Besides the quarters for the 5000+ men and women of the crew, how many guest rooms do you think they have?

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Ohhhhhhhh, okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, so it wasn't a political stunt.  Yeah, I see what you mean.  Obviously the only way a President can visit an aircraft carrier is to strap himself in and arrive in a fighter.  How silly of anyone to think otherwise!

And, by the way, don't disgrace those that were actually fighter pilots by equating this weekend warrior who got to play in an airplane around Texas with the real thing.

Actually, the S-3 Viking is routinely used to transport VIP's out to a carrier at sea. Its not a fighter and never was. It was built as an anti-submarine aircraft, but the outdated antisubmarine warfare gear has long since been pulled out of most of them so its mostly used as a tanker, search aircraft, and VIP transport now. Air Force One doesnt have a tailhook so what would you have had them do, fly the President out on the fucking COD sitting between the mail sacks and the fresh fruit?

As for the second part of your post - Hmmmmmm, a commissioned officer in a military service assigned to fly a fighter interceptor owned by that miliary service??? Sounds a hell of a lot like he was "actually" a fighter pilot. FYI - the Texas Air National Guard is a real unit and men from the 147th (or its predecesor) have served in every conflict from WW1 through to Iraq. Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam, but his request was denied because he didnt have the 500 hours in type that the Air Force required for ANG replacement pilots.

Defending the Texas coast is not the bullshit mission you mistakenly assume it to be. There are dozens of highly vulnerable targets in the Houston area that would utterly cripple the US ecomomy and the war effort if hit. A relatively small number of aircraft hitting the refineries would put fuel prices up through the roof and a hell of a lot of people would freeze to death in the Northern states because we just plain wouldnt have heating oil at any price. Likwise, what little diesel and jet fuel would be left in the US without the refineries here would go to the military so your store shelves would be pretty bare... You dont rebuild a refinery in a month, more like several years...

We saw on 9-11 what happens with 3 civilian planes sucessfully attacking three office buildings so what do you think some armed warplanes could do to oil refineries, chemical plants, multimillion gallon oil storage tank farms, NASA, the South Texas Project - which is the largest nuclear plant in the USA, offshore rigs, and one of the busiest shipping ports in the world ??? The "Guardians of the Gulf" ARE real pilots who defend some extremely critical infrastructure. If you dont think so, head on down to Ellington Field and tell a few of them how they are a bunch of weekend warriors who disgrace real fighter pilots. Give that a try and let me know how ya make out... [:D]

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Ohhhhhhhh, okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, so it wasn't a political stunt.  Yeah, I see what you mean.  Obviously the only way a President can visit an aircraft carrier is to strap himself in and arrive in a fighter.  How silly of anyone to think otherwise!

And, by the way, don't disgrace those that were actually fighter pilots by equating this weekend warrior who got to play in an airplane around Texas with the real thing.

Actually, the S-3 Viking is routinely used to transport VIP's out to a carrier at sea. Its not a fighter and never was. It was built as an anti-submarine aircraft, but the outdated antisubmarine warfare gear has long since been pulled out of most of them so its mostly used as a tanker, search aircraft, and VIP transport now. Air Force One doesnt have a tailhook so what would you have had them do, fly the President out on the fucking COD sitting between the mail sacks and the fresh fruit?

As for the second part of your post - Hmmmmmm, a commissioned officer in a military service assigned to fly a fighter interceptor owned by that miliary service??? Sounds a hell of a lot like he was "actually" a fighter pilot. FYI - the Texas Air National Guard is a real unit and men from the 147th (or its predecesor) have served in every conflict from WW1 through to Iraq. Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam, but his request was denied because he didnt have the 500 hours in type that the Air Force required for ANG replacement pilots.

Defending the Texas coast is not the bullshit mission you mistakenly assume it to be. There are dozens of highly vulnerable targets in the Houston area that would utterly cripple the US ecomomy and the war effort if hit. A relatively small number of aircraft hitting the refineries would put fuel prices up through the roof and a hell of a lot of people would freeze to death in the Northern states because we just plain wouldnt have heating oil at any price. Likwise, what little diesel and jet fuel would be left in the US without the refineries here would go to the military so your store shelves would be pretty bare... You dont rebuild a refinery in a month, more like several years...

We saw on 9-11 what happens with 3 civilian planes sucessfully attacking three office buildings so what do you think some armed warplanes could do to oil refineries, chemical plants, multimillion gallon oil storage tank farms, NASA, the South Texas Project - which is the largest nuclear plant in the USA, offshore rigs, and one of the busiest shipping ports in the world ??? The "Guardians of the Gulf" ARE real pilots who defend some extremely critical infrastructure. If you dont think so, head on down to Ellington Field and tell a few of them how they are a bunch of weekend warriors who disgrace real fighter pilots. Give that a try and let me know how ya make out... [:D]

Seems you are confusing two different time periods and two different enemies.  Were the Vietcong capable of attacking our shores and hitting these highly vulnerable targets?

And I have to stand by my first statement, don't dare compare those who lost their lives in actual combat to the sons of the wealthy who pulled strings to be pretend fighter pilots so they could sit out the war.

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Seems you are confusing two different time periods and two different enemies.  Were the Vietcong capable of attacking our shores and hitting these highly vulnerable targets?

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Seems you are confusing two different time periods and two different enemies.  Were the Vietcong capable of attacking our shores and hitting these highly vulnerable targets?

Well given the fact that the defense of the southern borders was placed in this young mans hands and taking into account the alcohol and drug induced haze his young bushies  mind was in ,we can all thank whatever higher power we believe in that the VietCong had no such ability

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In a passage describing his high school experience in Hawaii, for example, Obama explains the allure of drugs: “I kept playing basketball, attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically. … If the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down,” Obama intones, “it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly.”

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In a passage describing his high school experience in Hawaii, for example, Obama explains the allure of drugs: “I kept playing basketball, attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically. … If the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down,” Obama intones, “it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly.”

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F5C7DB1B-3048-5C12-00A742F62EA88F5C


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