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Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 6:43:21 AM   
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Their slaves/subs weren't so, submissive? 

Does a domme ever wish her slave would stand up and be brave enough to say no?

Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?
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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 12:09:00 PM   
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All dominants are different.

That said, willful disobedience can be fun.  There are some dominants that really like the taming process, and grow bored with a trained creature.  That tends to be rare.

In my humble and VERY limited experiences with dommes, most don't want to waste time taming their man when they could choose someone else and train them.  Most dommes who enjoy the lifestyle enough to chit chat on forums probably grasp that they can't make a person into a submissive and its not worth it to try.



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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 1:30:12 PM   
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quote:

Their slaves/subs weren't so, submissive?

Does a domme ever wish her slave would stand up and be brave enough to say no?

Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?


I will start by saying that passive is not the same thing as submissive.  I won't deal with passive slaves because passive people get on my nerves very quickly. I prefer slaves with strong personalities. As far as saying no, isn't that what safe words are for? In other situations I don't necessarily consider a slave saying no a bad thing. If he is being rebellious then he is doing it for a reason which needs to be resolved. He also might be saying no because he has information about a situation that I don't. Someone never saying no is not realistic and if there is someone who never says no then that person is very likely to have mental and behavioral issues. I never get tired of my slaves being submissive to me and I never get tired of them being human.


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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 1:44:54 PM   
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Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?



I don't know about "any", but this is one woman's opinion :

While I don't think submissive men owe me, well, anything actually, simply because I'm a dominant woman, I do expect that a submissive I have taken on has already made the decision that he wants to please me and make me happy. So hard limits aside, if [correctly ] that's his focus, I don't see the point of "won't give in".



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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 1:51:44 PM   
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The problem with "breaking someone who won't give in" is that there is no way to know when no means no and when it means yes. And if you guess wrong and keep beating someone when they tell you to stop, that's when you get arrested.

Additionally, if you're looking for a take down scene, unlikely to happen because the average male is bigger than the average female so she can't do this by force.

So if we rule out physical force and nonconsensual abuse, what else is left?

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 2:53:01 PM   
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I like 'em spirited.  I detest the "Please, may I" game.  Be a human being.  When a sub does something that bothers me, I'll let him know.  Acknowledge and move on.  

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 2:54:45 PM   
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This is part of the reason Dommes date Doms.  It's exciting to find out who's going to bottom.

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 3:55:07 PM   
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This is part of the reason Dommes date Doms.  It's exciting to find out who's going to bottom.

I don't date Doms, don't wanna hear them cry when I tie them up and spank 'em.

OP my sub can be bratty and I don't mind it unless he takes it to far and then I let him know who the Boss is and he better get his ass back in line. It usually only takes a certain look and he knows its time to behave.

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 3:57:43 PM   
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I don't date Doms, don't wanna hear them cry when I tie them up and spank 'em.


Any woman who owns a construction company is hot as far as I'm concerned.  And you know perfectly well I wasn't talking about "all Dommes, all the time."


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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 4:58:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HardToTame

Their slaves/subs weren't so, submissive?

No.  There's a reason I picked the one I did.
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Does a domme ever wish her slave would stand up and be brave enough to say no?

To Me?  No.  To other people he does a perfectly fine job of doing that most of the time. 
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Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?

I'm sure there are some who do, but I don't happen to be one of them.  I don't want to struggle to take his submission.  I want it given to Me, by his choice.


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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 5:14:59 PM   
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I won't break anyone.  Not my job and it's not even appealing to me.  I want a strong personality who is submissive with 'me'.  If I have to consistantly struggle against his 'will', then he isn't going to be happy with me or me him.  When a submissive mentions my breaking him... teaching him good behavior and the like... I am down the road as fast as my little legs can take me.  Who needs the drama... the pain in the ass and the self indulgence of an attention seeking submissive who passive aggressivly manipulates my perceived dominance and tops to create the dominant he wants?

I love it when I am told 'no' for the right reasons and in the right manner, whether it is an actual word of no or... simply standing up to what they might see as unfair or something.  I am actually proud of them when they do this and sometimes I have done it in the early stages to see if they will actually do it!  They do and they pass go and go straight to jail... hehe

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/5/2008 8:05:07 PM   
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I don't break people... I break bad habits.  Like leaving the toilet seat up, biting or leaving the salad on the counter.  *winks at Westie*

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 12:56:15 AM   
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well, thats what I mean.   

For me, kind of like, signing up to be a slave just feels, rediculous.  And so, I agree that if they sign up, then yes, they should submit.  It's what they're paying for or for what they are there for.  How ever, the whole idea of an organised session doesn't sit very well with me.  It makes me feel trashy, like some guy who can't get laid or something and has to see a hooker.  (No offense to the pro's). 

I like the idea of, finding someone, socially.  (Bar club etc) who takes an interest as me as a person, then when it gets to the bedroom, they turn out to be dominant.  I'm not afraid to say (even though this forum will hate me for it) but, this is a sexual hobby for me.  Not a lifestyle.  I like dominant woman, and so even outside the bedroom, I'd still be happy to do what she says so long as I'm ASKED not TOLD.  But, I can't stand the idea of being all "yes maam, hit me again maam."  that just makes me feel well, immasculated.   My ideal woman would be a sexy, seductive, strong woman with as much confidence as me, who is so special as a person that she inspires me.  Thats what gets me, a girl who is so unbelievably astounding as a person, that you want to submit for them.  You want to do your best work and dedicate to them.  But, where are they?  It's like, you see the most beautiful model on the street, and it's just another face.  They come up to you and wanna get jiggy, and so you think "well, she's pretty, let's see how creative she is" then, they're just dead personalities.  I can't stand it.  But, I also can't stand these woman who, are domme's and expect the whole 9 yards, and you look at them and you think "well, why should I give in to you?  Whats so special about you?"   They get all, domineering, and I just laugh and walk away and they get all frustrated and shit and end up all heart broken because deep down, it's more like they're emotionally desperate woman who just put on a domineering persona in the sack because they think it's what all guys want and that if they act that way they will get alot more man meat and loving. 

Theres needs to be something very genuine.  I can't tolerate dominant people who are hard on the outside but, sugar coated inside.

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 1:28:14 AM   
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Their slaves/subs weren't so, submissive? 

1. Absolutely.  And absolutely not.  Some do.  Some don't.
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Does a domme ever wish her slave would stand up and be brave enough to say no?

2. Yes.  And no.  Some do.  Some don't.
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Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?

3. See answers 1 and 2

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 6:54:01 AM   
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Why would you want to break someone? I like spirit and sometimes it is needed on both sides of the relationship. Some may want to break someone. Some don't want to break someone. I think it depends on the relationship you have. Just a thought if you break someone then what?

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 8:55:42 AM   
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Personally I don't see the point in breaking someone. You end up with someone who has little to no self-esteem and many could see it as abuse (to themselves). I submit willingly, or I rebel. You earn my respect and trust, then I give myself to you, you don't break me.

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 11:27:49 AM   
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well, thats what I mean.   

For me, kind of like, signing up to be a slave just feels, rediculous.  And so, I agree that if they sign up, then yes, they should submit.  It's what they're paying for or for what they are there for.  How ever, the whole idea of an organised session doesn't sit very well with me.  It makes me feel trashy, like some guy who can't get laid or something and has to see a hooker.  (No offense to the pro's). 

I like the idea of, finding someone, socially.  (Bar club etc) who takes an interest as me as a person, then when it gets to the bedroom, they turn out to be dominant.  I'm not afraid to say (even though this forum will hate me for it) but, this is a sexual hobby for me.  Not a lifestyle.  I like dominant woman, and so even outside the bedroom, I'd still be happy to do what she says so long as I'm ASKED not TOLD.  But, I can't stand the idea of being all "yes maam, hit me again maam."  that just makes me feel well, immasculated.   My ideal woman would be a sexy, seductive, strong woman with as much confidence as me, who is so special as a person that she inspires me.  Thats what gets me, a girl who is so unbelievably astounding as a person, that you want to submit for them.  You want to do your best work and dedicate to them.  But, where are they?  It's like, you see the most beautiful model on the street, and it's just another face.  They come up to you and wanna get jiggy, and so you think "well, she's pretty, let's see how creative she is" then, they're just dead personalities.  I can't stand it.  But, I also can't stand these woman who, are domme's and expect the whole 9 yards, and you look at them and you think "well, why should I give in to you?  Whats so special about you?"   They get all, domineering, and I just laugh and walk away and they get all frustrated and shit and end up all heart broken because deep down, it's more like they're emotionally desperate woman who just put on a domineering persona in the sack because they think it's what all guys want and that if they act that way they will get alot more man meat and loving. 

Theres needs to be something very genuine.  I can't tolerate dominant people who are hard on the outside but, sugar coated inside.



When I want that kind of challenge, I seduce a vanilla man. He has no idea what he's in for, and I love it.

Seriously though....(while the above statement is true, I digress).  I was really disillusioned the first time I "discovered" submissive men after years of dominating vanilla boyfriends.  I was kind of excited to find a whole 'community' of men who actually wanted to be dominated.  Then I found that most were either pushy or demanding - or, the opposite - kind of meager, meek, pathetic, groveling saps.  YIKES!  I went straight back to seducing and dominating vanilla guys at alternative dance clubs.  This was in the early days of the Internet and usenet, and when I would post on message boards about it, I got a ton of crap from many kinky people who questioned the 'ethics' of seducing non kinky men for the purpose of dominating them ("you are just using sex appeal to get them to agree to things the may not even want or understand, blah blah") and a lot of whining from submissive men stating "why on earth would a good femdom get wasted on vanilla men?"  Part of the problem was that I was in my mid 20s and most of the "kinky community" was older and I didn't like them nor fit in, particularly, except for people I got to know pretty well or private parties vs. public ones, and it took me some time to get settled in and feel comfortable.

But in reality, you can only take the "I will submit to you if I get something in return" game so far.  There's an excitement in dominating a man that may resist on some levels, and there's a real rush getting a man to sign up for something he has no idea what is going to be like vs. a man who has been dreaming about it (and thus has a boatload of expectations) since he was 14.   When I realized as a young female that I had a lust and desire to get a man to submit, it didn't take me long to figure out that seduction, sex appeal and self confidence were going to be how I lured them in and got them to do what they would never do.  I spent a long time perfecting my look, my attitude, my confidence and figuring out different ways to get around a resistant, unsure, or nervous man.  I loved the chase and I loved to be predatory.  I thought being sexy and seductive was part of the necessary packaging to be femdom anyway.

As I got older I realized that the only real ingredient necessary for a very good power exchange is a desire to be at the vulnerable, difficult place. Vanilla men DO NOT have that.  They may find it *interesting* on some level and some may even find the rush exciting and thus want to revisit it now and then, but they don't have the burning inside to get there regularly like I have to put a man there.  Without that, the only kind of chemistry that can exist between predator and prey is fleeting, sadly. 

After reading your post, I think the challenge is that you are seeking sexy, fun, seductive "play" and desire it to be packaged in such a way.  That's ok; by knowing exactly what you want, you may find it easier to obtain. But as a dominant woman who has a lot of experience packaging up my kink in the way you describe, you'd have lost me the moment you gave any indication that you were submitting with conditions.  Even as a seductress, I never could hold any interest in a man that I sensed was using me in some manner and would only submit conditionally.  Those were the guys that I found fell into the "kinky chicks are rad in bed!" category (forgive my slang, I'm sure it gives away how old I am, hah) -- and I could sense that a mile away.

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 12:45:05 PM   
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I want my servants to have a brain. I want them to be able to think, and able to make decisions -- either for things that they need to manage themselves or for things that I assign them. I want a servant who is brave enough to say no when xhe has concerns, and to be able to articulate and clarify those concerns, rather than just giving an arbitrary "no".

I don't really want a servant who doesn't want to be there. I don't appreciate passive-aggressive games, and don't like defiance just for defiance's sake. I don't like brats or mouthy slaves, and I don't like to waste my time with servants who don't know what they want, tell me that what I want is what they want, and then change their minds when I enforce what they said they wanted.

With that said, I'd say my answer is yes -and- no.

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Their slaves/subs weren't so, submissive? 

Does a domme ever wish her slave would stand up and be brave enough to say no?

Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?


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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 12:57:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HardToTame
I'm not afraid to say ... but, this is a sexual hobby for me.   

Theres needs to be something very genuine.  I can't tolerate dominant people who are hard on the outside but, sugar coated inside.


These two statements make me ask if you aren't going to "bring it," isn't it inconsistent to ask for it?

I like submissives who are intellectually challenging, full people.  With one man recently, we related to each other with a *lot* of arguing -- we could both get quite hot tempered.  But in terms of submission, there was never a question.  He wanted to be beneath me; I wanted him there.  Spending that time with him was a real gift.  I found that I could get lots of what I wanted: a spirited person, someone really submissive.  Being strong is not a conflict with being submissive.

It was really a relief, because the mealy-mouthed ghost-presence submissive dudes bore me.  I HATE that stuff.  When I get letters from men who say that I and all women are superior and they just want me to make them better, and that all I need to do is take the reins ... honestly, I am turned off.  Like I want to hire a babysitter.

But a take-down?  Not my cup of tea.  It might be fun in play, but it's not my kind of D/s.

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RE: Do Dommes ever wish that --- - 7/6/2008 8:34:52 PM   
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To me, there's a difference between a submissive and a wimp.  I characterize a wimp as a man that can't stand up for himself in real life.  This type of guy is only submissive because he is generally weak-willed.  To me this does not make his submission a strength but rather a weakness... ie. he is incapable to handle his life without someone to run it for him.  Perhaps some women are ok with this, most I would imagine are not.

I want a fully functional mate with a successful career behind him.  He submits to me out of love and respect for who I am (not just any random woman).  His submission is then a strength.  He has the balls to relinquish control to serve the one he loves with his entire being.

Sigh....  golden needle in the agri-corp haystack, I'm afraid.

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Their slaves/subs weren't so, submissive? 

Does a domme ever wish her slave would stand up and be brave enough to say no?

Do any of them like the challenge of breaking someone who won't give in?

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