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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 6:34:46 PM   
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DA,
I used to have a bumper sticker that said:
officer, are you less likely to ticket me because i have a bumper sticker that says:

FOP SUPPORTER

As I just said in a discussion with Master - why would anyone talk to the police - uhm.. ever - except to say one of the two following things:
1. I need to call my lawyer.
2. Uhm.. i don't actually have a lawyer. I need to call my wife (mom, dad, best friend, next door niehbor, = SOMEONE) and get them to find me a lawyer.

These are the ONLY APPROVED SENTENCES.

Do you know they can lie to you - but not to your lawyer? (so says the supreme court of the nation).

ditto for inviting them into your house - they are like vampires. they can not cross your soveirn doorstep without an invitation, but once invited in, all bets are off!

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 6:46:34 PM   
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Talking to cops is a good idea: lying to them isn't.

Talking to anyone carrying a badge is a very very BAD idea.  Granted, lying to them is worse.

One has the right to remain silent.  When the cops come calling, exercise that right.








Agreed.  !!!   I used this advice a few months ago.   It worked.  As they say, "loose lips sink ships".


Silence is golden.


Even on the crime watch... I dont.  

[go figure]

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 7:03:04 PM   
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Here we are in the thick and I didn't even bring us here. Right now I do not want to continue all night with DA about his little Euphoria Town USA. Nobody has the same kind of influence, which is wrong, and DA is niot going to see it unless and until it works against him. That's when most people no longer think such things are OK fine. Be forewarned, it can come to you. So DA you got one dead Mexican and no charges, feel proud, and know that you and your country are doing well at making friends. And just hope they never turn on you. You are, in that way, proven submissive. By their good graces go you, and if they change their mind, then you can call for rights, like the other dead innocents. Good fucking luck to say the least. And I hope it is a gated community because I would hate to wander in there, because what I know works IN THEORY, that means in front of a hundred people. Download a song called Uncle Tom's Cabin by Warrant. And again, hope it never comes to you.

Well I guess I am stuck on this. You think it is cool to be conected and everything, yup it is great. But I am playing in alot bigger field, and that little Mayberry RFD you live in, well at one time I had enough personal firepower to take the fucking place over. A bunch of us were joking around at my shop, and the consensus was that if we went against Cleveland they would have to call in the feds. And if you knew the arsenal, you might agree. My phone call could be the last ever made from that town. I have played with the big boys.

You have been in their company maybe, but you yourself have never had an adversary situation with them. And no, I don't mouth off to the cops, the feds will do that a week or so later, after I am out and safe at home.

I don't, and I never did play the game to lose.

I'll come to your tinhorn dictatorship, if you don't tell them I said that.

They stop me.

"I am going to DA's house, I am 48 and decided to take a few flying lessions. When you start pushing the big 5 0 you think of these things".

You think I am going to die in a pool of blood for that ? If so I would just rather stay out of that jurisdiction, and handle my problems here with the big boys.

Oh and folks, when an arrest is made, Miranda is assumed. Don't say anything. If they cuff you ESPECIALLY DO NOT SAY ANYTHING, period. But that means in the big city, not in some small town out west where people disappear every day.

When you get out in bumfukt Egypt, Texas, just be friendly. Got weed in the car ? Tell them, you know they are going to search. Fuck it, you have what you have.

Once here I told the cops about a joint in my pocket and then they didn't even search my car, I could've had 200 pounds in the trunk.

Playing the game folks, that is what it is. Once you are smart enough to know the rules, you do much better.

Racist me, but I did not originate the statement, I saw it on the TV in a movie. An old Black Woman telling a young Black Man some advice, possibly his Mother or Grandmother. She said among other things "And never talk to the police alone". That stuck with me.

You want Texas justice ? I know a guy personally who beat a guy to death in Texas, but then got to Utah where he had aready established residency. You think Texas is rough ? Try Utah. If you are a resident, they will not extradite you anywhere, period. But if you are charged there, they will go to fucking China to get you, even for a traffic violation. You think I am kidding, I know the people involved.

Want a crack at this guy ? He now lives in Ohio. Nevermind that detail about him being able to kill a Man with one blow. Just forget about it. Come, play with the big boys.

We play by different rules here in the city, if you can even call this that anymore. We know how to shoot too. Nobody here even has a clue how it really is. I don't fear any of them, because I know things. And here is where I will stay, in my element, in a place where I know my business and everything about it. In a place in which I can function effectively. In a place I know that my ten (at least) arrest warrants will never be served.

In a place where I can live.

T

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 7:05:17 PM   
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ditto for inviting them into your house - they are like vampires. they can not cross your soveirn doorstep without an invitation, but once invited in, all bets are off!


Thats actually not true. There are a whole lot of circumstances that police can use to enter your home without either warrant or permission. An example would be if something is "in plain sight", another would be if they believe there to be an imminent danger to life or property, or if they are pursuing a felon, and the list goes on. They can also get permission from someone else who can legally give it. So for example they might call the wife at work, so as to get her permission... When hubby at the door says no, well thats tough shit because they got permission from the spouse who is also on the lease / deed under some circumstances the landlord can also give it. A favorite little known legal trick that they use around here for warrantless raids on meth labs is that once the fire dept is called, the fire chief has legal authority over the scene... So the fire dept comes for a "possible gas leak / strange odor" and then the fire chief asks for police assistance... Poof, they are in... Also, if you cohabitate with someone who has waived rights - probationer, parolee, registered sex offender they have authority to enter at will ....  There are a ton of reasons they can get in, and of course - they can always lie about it. "We heard a woman screaming so we forced our way in" Whoops, too bad that you had "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" DVD playing because that just gave them probable cause for a person in imminent danger...  

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 7:21:58 PM   
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Seems to work for BrittneyLee (DA's friend).  She's even able to get her grass from the cops.

thornhappy



...and in a small town in another county she also managed to get the shit kicked out of her after she got mouthy during a traffic stop for speeding. The key thing is to not piss them off. If you are good to them, they will treat you right and if you piss them off then its on. I cannot emphasize enough not to give cops a hard time. You will not come out on top no matter what you think your rights are. You cant rollerskate uphill, you cant piss into the wind, and you cant play the "I know my rights" game with cops and come out on top. What the video says is factually accurate, but will make it worse for you in a lot of jurisdictions.

I have never, in my vast lifetime and with all the folks I know who smoke herbs, knew anyone who could get herbs from the cops.  And I mean anyone, even with good behavior by all.  Where did it come from?  Evidence locker?  From a shakedown or faked confiscation?

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 7:44:11 PM   
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Term,

Im not going to bother arguing it with you either... as for "proven submissive" you can look at it that way. However, I call my outlook "smart enough not to buck the system." Youre right, I havent been their adversary... In my entire life I have had two skirmishes with the law. The first was "Failure to Impound A Stallion" when my ex-wifes horse, that I paid the boarding bill on, got out and threw a hump into some bitches English Thoroughbred. So I got an appearance ticket on an ag and markets violation. My only other "crime" was a fish and game violation because I didnt bother to check the book that comes with your hunting license every year so I didnt know that the Wildlife Management Unit boundries at my cabin changed so I shot a doe with an antlerless deer permit for the wrong zone. WHOOPS, my bad!

You might think its smart or cool or macho or whatever to be a badass and to buck the system but I can think of better things to spend money on than fines and defense attornies. I would rather buy cool toys for myself than for a lawyer. As for your "arsenal" "firepower" and general "fear no evil for I am the baddest ass motherfucker in the valley" attitude - thats false bravado and foolishness. You cannot win. I dont care how well armed you are. I dont care how tough you think you are. If they have to bring the fucking Delta Force in with a tank to burn you out they will. (Waco) If they have to call the Army to fire an artillery barrage into your house they will. (Los Angeles) If they have to get a god damn attack helicopter to drop napalm and burn the whole motherfucking block down, they will. (Philadelphia). 

If you want to cite songs - try John Cougar "When I fight Authority, Authority Always Wins" Remember Termy, even in "First Blood" - Rambo LOST and went to prison....   

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 7:46:45 PM   
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I have never, in my vast lifetime and with all the folks I know who smoke herbs, knew anyone who could get herbs from the cops.  And I mean anyone, even with good behavior by all.  Where did it come from?  Evidence locker?  From a shakedown or faked confiscation?



All of the above have happened. 

But any advice to 'waive your rights so the mean old cops won't abuse you', is too far a reach.
By that logic, one should plead guilty when totally innocent, so they won't frame you for something worse.

Sticking to the truth whenever possible isn't exactly a recipe for disaster in this day and age of cameras on every corner.

And there is nothing untruthful about simply saying "no thanks', when asked to waive your rights.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 7:52:48 PM   
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I have never, in my vast lifetime and with all the folks I know who smoke herbs, knew anyone who could get herbs from the cops.  And I mean anyone, even with good behavior by all.  Where did it come from?  Evidence locker?  From a shakedown or faked confiscation?

thornhappy



Absolutely no idea where it came from. Probably taken off of a kid or something. They do that a lot around here, like if kids are drinking in the park they will take the beer and tell them to "get the fuck out of here before I call your old man." That beer tends to find its way to BBQ's, picnics, poker games etc... I just know the cop smoked, so I asked him if he could hook me up with some cause Britt wanted to get high. He asked a whole bunch of questions I didnt know the answer to about what I wanted cause I dont know the terminology. (Bud, chronic, thai stick, etc) I told him "something that will give her a good buzz" and he brought it by the next night. Gratis. Like the car says "To protect and Serve"

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 8:05:28 PM   
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I didn't have much to add except to thank HK for the links.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 8:38:06 PM   
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The most important and valuable post/links I`ve ever seen on a board.

Thank you, HK.
You bet. Practical knowledge like that is even more important since the Repubs have gutted the Constitution.

I still like the Youtube vid I posted back around November or so. Real-world exponential growth, and why drilling ANWR is pissing into the wind.

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 8:45:22 PM   
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Buying herb from cops ? Fucking ain't nobody seen nothing. Fucking pot they pull out of their sock,or car, what they walked in with was a couple of suitcases full of unregistered handguns, most of them loaded. My witness is within thirty feet of me.

They asked Frank if everybody was cool, and opened up those cases. They had some nice pieces, and some drop pieces. Somebody better know what a drop piece is or I am just getting off the internet completely.

Sometimes they sent a guy in to sell his car TONIGHT, to avoid a DUI. And at the really bad place, they would not even walk in the door if they were on duty. This was an after hours joint, let me rephrase that, it was THE after hours joint. but they were not entering while on duty, no fucking way. Even after a shootout, they held back the paramedics and told them just to throw some stretchers in. They came out with bodies on them. That settles writing the report.

If you think I am kidding the witness is less than thirty feet away from me right now.

DA, I respect you due to your accomplishments, and that is pretty much all I base my respect on, now that I am no longer a bigot. You have found a niche for you, and a community that works for you, and everything is hunky dory. I respect that and maybe when I retire I might move down there, then we can debate things all night long or whatever (oh wait, something like that might get me killed)

But understand this. You have no business playing around in the big city, even with your enhancements, the game is different here. I know the small town game, I know how to play it. It is not a problem, in fact I play the game with Linndale every about six years or so. So anoither two grand gone, I don't really care. I could buy and sell that community, and in this case I really mean it. But people have died there, but they are probably not as efficient at it as your town.

But in Clevelandit is a bit different. I had to telegraph certain things, like when they asked who was I going to call. I said nobody. They got the idea that they are getting no more money out of me, period. Once you get that thought in their head you are pretty safe. And it happened TWICE.

But that does not mean you play the same way everywhere. By no means. Like I said, if you can't handle it don't play it. You need money, good lawyers who will do what the fuck you say, and you have to be willing to go to jail.

Then and only then, you can play the game.

So figuratively, take the lifespan of a human, and the high horse he rides on, and figure it out. How many here can really play?

Not many.

T

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 9:01:57 PM   
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          Thorn, it happens.  I even had a cop take a long look at me one night, after one of those really disturbing and tragic things they deal with, where I had been the first person on the scene, then hand me a baggie he'd probably confiscated two hours earlier, and tell me to go home.  I didn't even ask him (and never would have thought of doing so).

        Reading all this, I'm thinking about the last time I was handcuffed, sitting on the molded plastic seat of a police car, and the cop reading me my rights.  The other incident aside, he had enough from his completely legal Terry to haul me off to jail if he wanted to.  Had I taken the advice in this thread, that's the way it would have gone.  Instead, I went over my version of events several times, with several different cops on the scene.  I answered their questions much better than the alledged victim.  Dealing with it then and there was far better than giving the other party in a he/she said a chance to get her story straight, and invent some new details to tell the ADA.

       I had made it very plain to the officers that my intention was to leave town immediately.  When they left without me, the whole thing went into the round file.

       It is best not to try and deal with police questioning without a lawyer.  Pretending that the "I pay your salary and know my rights" is some magic shield of protection, or that people who never say one word never get convicted is just bullshit though.  Act like a snarky punk with a cop, he just might arrange for you to better understand the entymology of the word, guilty or not.

      

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/6/2008 9:20:09 PM   
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I just want to clarify something for the record. I am not a bigot and I do not condone what happened to Pedro Gonzales. He was a 51 year old, 5' 3" tall man who eeked out a meager living collecting cans so he could by a bottle of whatever $2 rot gut they sell. On July 21st of last year, he was released from jail, on a public intoxication charge, less than an hour before, after closing time, in a dry part of town, with 11 cents in his pocket when two cops picked him up again for "public intoxication". During that arrest, these two 6' + cops caused 11 fractures including 8 ribs, knocked out several teeth, and caused a multitude of other injuries. A witness called 911 to report the police beating this man... Pedro Gonzales was dead several hours later in a holding cell after drowning in his own blood from punctured lungs. (Incidentally the autopsy showed no alcohol) On July 23rd the case was closed as a "justifiable in custody death". The officers involved were finally charged after hispanic activists and civil rights lawyers demanded justice and Rep. Shiela Jackson called for action on the part of the DA. They stood trial and have recently been acquited of all charges, and are now back on the streets, complete with back pay... I am not saying this is OK, the facts of the case speak for themselves as to how "not ok" this is...  

However, the facts of the case also show what can happen when the cops have a hard on for you . If anything, this shows that if you piss of cops even a simple Public Intoxication can be a capital offense. It also shows that if you are not the right shade, or in the right place, you need to be particularly careful. Having rights is great but living to use them is another story. Pedro Gonzales has been rotting in his grave for almost a year despite his rights and the men who killed him are back out patrolling the streets complete with back pay, and all their legal expenses covered by the taxpayers... Thats something to consider before deciding to stand up for your rights. Its a legitimate concern, and one that the two videos did not address. What happens when officers Bubba and Cletus in Pasadena, TX decide you need an attitude adjustment, or when a few NYPD cops decide its time for you to get intimate with a plunger, or when the LAPD decides to go Rodney King on your ass???

Pedro, who was basically a harmless town drunk, got on the bad side of he cops and went to his grave by way of the jail. BrittneyLee was not just drunk, but drunk at age 20, and got dropped off at my house without so much as a ticket. You know, with the right motivation they could have worked her over too... If there is one thing cops hate its a smart ass who "has rights"...  

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 1:55:03 AM   
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When I was working in a runaway shelter we dealt with local law enforcement on a regular basis.  The best communication tactic was stick to the facts and be polite, don't ramble or talk endlessly.  Most of the officers were decent to deal with, a few were real jerks.     

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 3:44:02 AM   
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He Hillbilly dips to all:

Hi Jethro, (Hillbillies)
dipshits! idiots! total fuckwits!  Am I talking about you or the cops?  I'm talking about You!.  You who is nameless but represent the idiots of this world.   I see lots of idiots in this world so it must follow that you too are an idiot!  Isn't that logical.

I know that all cops take an oath to break the laws to uphold criminality for their own personal gain.  Some idiots believe this.  Talk sensibly about facts, rant over generalisations like an idiot.

Whom are the bad apples?

Remember that world wide there is a basic rule about civility and legal rights. I'm not going to make judgements against America per se.

Interpersonal/Community Rights and Legal Rights are what You GIVE to another out of respect,  not something that You DEMAND.  The person who demands lacks civility and can expect confrontation.  The person who GIVES respect will gain/obtain respect.   
 
Too many idiots forget this because of their absence of respect.  Some posts here totally reflect this. 
 
Cops are the parents of the community.  The legal system is the Grandparents- the wiser ones.  A man's Castle can always be invaded by his parents.  What makes anyone consider their parent cannot attempt access to their castle to check on your well being.

People who yell 'RIGHTS' are generally the ones whom least deserve any.

Get a reality check Jethro,


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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 4:21:20 AM   
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Nice that you said that DA. Takes you from sounding like you condone such things to the point where you simply "accept" such things.

That is quite a bit more palatable, at least to those such as I. When I studied some, about law and history, I came away with a different attitude. In the old days I would get pot off the cops, and on a couple of occasions sold them some. Among other things I might add.

But today I approach it differently, as I now see ANY unequal enforcement of the law to be horridly against all the values this country ever stood for. But of course that doesn't mean that if arrested I would be yelling about my rights. If anyone knows the difference between theory and reality in this matter, I do.

Ever throw a brake shoe from a 1976 Olds through somebody's window right in front of the cops ? That one cost me one of my most powerful courtesy cards. And I don't know, if it is like that there, you might like the guy who gave it to me, and then another after I had spent it.

Stormin' Norman. Made seargent, known for killing more suspects than he brought in. Called Blacks "Cooties". Shoot first and ask questions later. Nobody can shoot like the Stormer, and he lost eleven partners and eventually got out for mental distress. All they had to do was team him up with someone who knows how to shoot and it would be like that one TV show I have never seen, but has been described to me. They would have run the west side, but it never happened. In case after case, Stormin stayed alive because he knew how to shoot, and eleven of his partners were not so lucky. He was never indicted or anything, even brought up for disciplinary action, all justifiable homcides. No he did not kill his partners, but he made sure he got out alive.

I saw him recently at the store, he was making copies of some legal documents because he was going in for major surgery. I wonder what he thinks now.

I wonder what I think now. Really.

No matter how serious this was twenty years ago, it was a game to all of us. I played and I played it well. But hindsight being 20/20 do I think it was right ? No. Was it right for when the lights came on behind you, you go to this certain bar and lay on the horn, and then an old guy (Al) comes out and you don't get a ticket ? That is not equality under the law and therefore vehement to me. Yet I was a part of it. And benefitted from it.

Was it right for me to get out of a blatant act of vandalism performed RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COPS because I had a powerful courtesy card ? No. Sometimes I think I should go see if I can do a few days for that just to even out my karma. Of course that's never going to happen.

But let me tell you something, I invented the term "guilt load". Every time you get away with something, whether by connections or whatever means, there is guilt. Most of the time I dismiss it, but there are other times. Times when I hear of people going to prison or getting beat to a pulp for things, knowing that I have done worse, but got out of it because of lawyers and connections, it hurts me. And there is no taking it back, there is no undoing it. I wish I could. Imagine being terrorized by me and finding out that the law cannot even protect you.

That is wrong wrong wrong.

After while I started to think way too much about it. If I had gotten busted for what I did twenty years ago I would still be locked up. But then I found the light so to speak, and it has nothing to do with religion. I redefined all those things they thought they had defined for me, like equality.

I remember an old guy who had witnessed some of my escapades, he said to me "So you think you are going to get away with this don't you". I replied "I just did". He walked away in silence, but 20 or so years later I know exactly what he meant. It is a part of me, just like those cops who killed Pedro, that is a part of them, forever. Someday when they are retired, drinking a cup of coffe or something, they are going to remember. That will be their minor hell on Earth. And there is no getting out of it. Gone will be all the ambition and gung-honess of the situation. Then logic and justice settle in, and the plain and simple fact is, when you got a five foot three guy handcuffed most likely, can't take any chances cause he might know martial arts, and kick him until he bleeds from every orifice, and then keep fucking doing it, you have committed murder. Live with that. Think about that when you are fucking sixty.

I have killed but I have never committed murder, but they surely did and each and every one of them deserves to die. They had no fucking reason to do that. They may have had plenty of reason to smack him upside the head, not give him sugar for his morning coffee, forget to let him get a shower the next day. Oh yes, make my day miserable and I will find a way to return the favor, but to commit MURDER ? And that is exactly what they did no matter what the court says. They had no legitimate reason to kill him, and if we let that go on, we must let alot of other things go on. Do you ever leave that little community ? If you do, someday the shoe might be on the other foot.

That's why I don't leave here. I got enough bad karma built up that I know that my luck runs out at the city limits. Say you get on route 80 and get stopped by two big Mexican cops and with your license(s) and one says "Hey, that's where they killed my cousin in the jail". You wouldn't be able to find your dick for a month, but in that situation neither would I.

Never get on top by hook or crook, because it will be back. It is a matter of karma in a way, and while I don't believe in anything and I do not believe that there is anything supernatural, people do it to themselves.

I have made it past the point of having to hurt anyone. One day you will be there. I am listening to Opeth - Blackwater Park, and it quieted down as it does in the beginning and I heard a bird chirping throught the window. I am burning one, alone and drinking a beer, mainly because there is nothing else worth a shit to drink right now.

Why would I cause harm to another human being under these circumstances ? Sometimes I don't even think I am entitled to enjoy these circumstances.

Now LIVE WITH THAT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE and it never goes away. I say this, every time you get over, it pulls you under. It might take awhile but nature abhorrs a vacuum.

I got taken to "boot camp" by the cops, and holy fuck, you never seen a trial go so well. I even got my bail back. But I was young and strong at the time. Very strong, almost indestructable. Now I am 47 and 51 is not too far off. I have had ribs broken just a few too many times, and I am not as strong as I used to be. Let me put five years on that, and take eight inches off my height. Now let me imagine getting kicked in the ribs by three or four six foot four cops, while I am handcuffed and can't even block.

I can imagine it, can you ? Until you do, you are not complete. It might take until you are seventy years old, but it will happen, sooner or later.

You have indicated that you thought it was not the best of situations, you can grasp it, but you do not yet imagine it. One day you might have a nightmare about it. It will fuck you up, your Woman will have no idea what is wrong. Nobody you know will have any idea what is wrong. Then you know. And then it is too late.

I'll put it this way, when you are on top, take a look at what you are standing on.

T

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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 4:39:50 AM   
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Cops are the parents of the community. The legal system is the Grandparents- the wiser ones. A man's Castle can always be invaded by his parents. What makes anyone consider their parent cannot attempt access to their castle to check on your well being.

The police are nobody's parents.  At best they are the bastard stepchildren of the community (ranking somewhere below the garbageman in terms of social utility).

This analogy is legally, philosophically, completely, and utterly wrong.


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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 4:42:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

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Talking to cops is a good idea: lying to them isn't.


Anyone who says *ANYTHING* to anyone without counsel is a fool.



Meaning, if you're innocent.  Jones and Stewart are/were guilty, guilty, guilty.


Yes. The ARE guilty of violating 18 USC 1001. Making a material misstatement WITHOUT BEING SWORN UNDER OATH.

And that is why you don't say *ANYTHING* to *ANYONE* without counsel present. You don't need to have committed any other crime. I'm not sure if when Jones was using steroids they *were* illegal, I know she wasn't prosecuted for steroid use. I do know that Martha Stewart committed NO CRIME until she volunteered to speak to the feds. And then, without being mirandized, they not only used her statements against her, the statements THEMSELVES where considered the crime.



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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 4:45:50 AM   
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I have never, in my vast lifetime and with all the folks I know who smoke herbs, knew anyone who could get herbs from the cops.  And I mean anyone, even with good behavior by all.  Where did it come from?  Evidence locker?  From a shakedown or faked confiscation?

thornhappy



In Schenectady NY, the city cops got in a lot of trouble from the Feds for being too open about dealing coke. The chief's WIFE got nailed.

I don't know if the Schenectady Gazette is online, but it was hilarious on so many levels.



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RE: Talking to the Cops NEVER a good idea - 7/7/2008 6:03:07 AM   
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Term, ease up on the Bolivian marching powder. It has been known to give people delusions of grandeur

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