tsatske
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Thats actually not true. There are a whole lot of circumstances that police can use to enter your home without either warrant or permission.
Yhm... you are absoultly right. I use the vampire analogy to be cute and humourous, in truth, it does not go that far.
In my former brief unfortunate second marriage, my ex had an on going fued with the upstairs nieghbor. They would turn up their music till it shook the building, my ex would call the cops. Like 16 times an effing week, or something. srrsly.
The neighbors 'fought back' by buying a police radio. They would rock the building, wait for the call to go out over the radio, then turn off their music and tv, and lights, and sit quietly in their apartment while the cops, who were not stupid and were pretty sure they were in there, would pound on the door with great vigor. I kept expecting this to go bad. They had a 2 year old. I always said, one of these days, the two year old it gonna give one little cry, and down comes that door - 'uh, we thought no one was home, we heard an unaccompained small child...'
The point, however, is that, once you invite them in, they are free to roam. And -
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An example would be if something is "in plain sight",
the definition of 'plain site' is pretty libereal - courts have upheld 'plain site' evidence that required opening doors, drawers, moving stuff around on a desk or table, ect...
A couple of years ago a nice, upper middle class set of parents in Mass. got prison time, because they gave a party for their 14 year old and let the teenagers have the basement, where they promised not to bother them at all. In other words, though there were parents upstairs, they promised their kids an unsupervised party. After the approved kids arrived and idsappeared into the basement, more kids, toting bear and drinks and herb, were let in through basement windows. Neihbors complained about the noise, the police showed up, and the homeowners invited them into the foyer to chat. One kept the parents busy chatting, the other went wondering, down the basement steps, and found the kids, and the parents were arrested for contributing. Which they deserved. The point is, they argued in court that there was no search warrent, that they only gave consent to go as far as the foyer - it does not matter. They invited them in, and at that point, anything that you can get a court to call 'plain site' is fair game.
Cops are nice people. They are real American heroes. Don't let this make you think they never do wrong, they do. But, most of all - do you really want to live in the country described here?:
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Cops are the parents of the community. The legal system is the Grandparents- the wiser ones. A man's Castle can always be invaded by his parents. What makes anyone consider their parent cannot attempt access to their castle to check on your well being.
We had that country 250 years ago, officially embedded in the law. A bunch of brave men got together and stomped some British ass, and now, when we have such a country, it is in violation of our laws, our justice system and our values, and it is our sacred duty to oppose it so that it does not slip back to that. Because it can. Germany is the easy example ... and too many others, and more conteporary, to even name.
the idea that the police are always good and will protect, defend and serve you always and will only be against you in any way if you have done something bad is something like the idea that the 50's were halcyon. Not exactly true, but alot closer to the truth is you happen to be well educated, middle class and white. Is that the country you want to live in?
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