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IronBear -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/10/2005 11:59:33 PM)
I've copied this from my profile on the other side... It probably explains things better that me trying to rewrite it.. People I Love and Respect: People who have humanity, People who have Honour, People who have integrity, People who have discipline, People who have a sense of duty, People who care! People I can not Tolerate: Mean minded people, People who are bigoted, People who pour abuse and derogatory comments on other peoples' works and have no creative ability themselves. Craven cowards, Abusers and attackers of: The aged, the infirm, the young, women, religions and priests and priestesses (in any form) of any religion.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/11/2005 5:45:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crimsontied4u When I said "fear" I meant somewhat as it says in the Bible we "should fear God"! We should fear God for the consequences of our own life,not to fear Him in a scary,afraid of him frame of mind. If that makes any sense!! Sure, for you. I am not a christian and I know many christians who think that is a very perverse and illogical perspective to have about their god. I'm into fear play, but I don't respect someone if I fear them as a person.

candystripper -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/11/2005 8:33:03 AM)
quote: Ah, Dr. Suess....brings back memories, he was around when i was a child Beat me Master with your whip My skin gets kissed by the tip Beat me Master, till i cum Woo Hoo BDSM sure is fun Just got the visual.....The fox in socks with his flogger. Lorax the Thorax demonstartes fireplay. Gives bedtime stories a whole new meaning. cathy/wipmebeetme100 ROFL; and when Doms or Masters are ill and need to be tucked into bed, we shall have your works to read to Them...most excellent. candystripper

KatyLied -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/11/2005 9:38:57 AM)
I prefer a Dom/Master who is inventive and doesn't rely on a novel for his kink. I know that many enjoy the Gorean culture and protocols, but that is something that I'd never be able to get in to.

Wildfleurs -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/11/2005 12:53:34 PM)
Neither. My master is the one that gets the most of anything. C~ quote: ORIGINAL: crimsontied4u Which type of lifestyle Master is most feared or respected,Gorean,or Old Guard? And Why?

Bone -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 3:50:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crimsontied4u When I said "fear" I meant somewhat as it says in the Bible we "should fear God"! We should fear God for the consequences of our own life,not to fear Him in a scary,afraid of him frame of mind. If that makes any sense!! A wise man said: Those who worship the good lord out of fear Would worship the devil too, if he appear

Bone -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 4:01:41 AM)
Is it not possible to respect a person BECAUSE they are feared? I could cite many examples here, but will share just one for now: Achilles. -- Fear is a two-pronged device. There is a great tendency for men to fear the unknown, but fear can also be born from the knowledge of what someone is capable of.

MHOO314 -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 4:07:47 AM)
It's all in the delivery, but why would One want a sub to fear them? Kind of contradictory to the nurture/grow aspect.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 4:59:59 AM)
Fear is a very powerful thing, and a wonderful tool for control. It worked for Stalin!

amayos -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 8:15:02 AM)
It has always amused me how people feel a need to label themselves, or identify with a unifying "movement" or social identity (see current day munch-attending bdsmers or self-styled "kinksters"). I simply am what I am, and I don't feel a need to "fit in", so to speak. I would say the most respected lifestyle is the one in full possession of the courage of its convictions. As for most feared, I'm not so sure I understand.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 8:20:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos It has always amused me how people feel a need to label themselves, or identify with a unifying "movement" or social identity (see current day munch-attending bdsmers or self-styled "kinksters"). I simply am what I am, and I don't feel a need to "fit in", so to speak. You equate one to the other. Wanting to be part of and active within a social group does not equate to fulfilling some need to fit in and not being who we are.

MasterRobert1 -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 9:46:48 AM)
Respect is something that is given on an individual, not a group, basis. It has to be earned. Period.

amayos -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 4:49:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: amayos It has always amused me how people feel a need to label themselves, or identify with a unifying "movement" or social identity (see current day munch-attending bdsmers or self-styled "kinksters"). I simply am what I am, and I don't feel a need to "fit in", so to speak. You equate one to the other. Wanting to be part of and active within a social group does not equate to fulfilling some need to fit in and not being who we are. I certainly do equate one to the other, as it relates to my take on this particular subject. Eventually you will have to draw the line between what you are and what the overarching dogma of your trendy "counter-culture" claims you to be. In the end you can choose to let the unifying thoughts and actions of an increasingly fuzzy and watered down society speak for you, or you can decide to blaze a path past the parade and listen your true instincts and desires.

HisMagdalene -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 6:15:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fyreredsub respect is something that is earned.... one can be in either grouping and not be respected or feared by others. it depends on the individual, not the group they are in. and why would one want a master they feared? I find this an interesting question. I do fear my Master, very much, but to me, that is part of loving him. He is my lord; if I didn't have a healthy respect for his anger (read: I'm afraid of it), he would have a much harder time of molding me into what he wants. Now, this is not to say that I spend every hour of every day shaking in terror of him. We talk, we laugh together, just as ordinary friends or "couples". But it is a constant undercurrent in my thoughts, and a good thing, too; it helps me not screw up as often as I might, otherwise. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that for me, and for many I've talked to, the respect one feels for a dominant, parent, or other authority figure is at least partially rooted in fear. (Incidentally, one of those many is my mother-in-law. I had a really hard time keeping a straight face during THAT conversation!)

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (11/30/2005 8:03:08 PM)
In the end you can choose to let the unifying thoughts and actions of an increasingly fuzzy and watered down society speak for you, or you can decide to blaze a path past the parade and listen your true instincts and desires. [/quote] I guess I'm weird- I'm completely blazing my own path AND completely comfortable in my social environment (except for the mingling part, I can't stand that no matter what environment I'm in).

amayos -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (12/1/2005 12:28:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I guess I'm weird- I'm completely blazing my own path AND completely comfortable in my social environment (except for the mingling part, I can't stand that no matter what environment I'm in). Well from your position on the pyramid, I can see why you feel the way you do. To me, there is nothing wrong with making one's mark or creating a following, and it only makes sense that the source needn't be plagued with doubts of self integrity; it's moot as you are a creative force, and that's never subtractive when being true to oneself. I would say you are more an exception than the rule, however.

slavejali -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (12/1/2005 1:02:35 PM)
i understand the kinda fear and respect the OP is talking about. To me it isnt about abuse. Its just about a recognition of a certain kind of personality that can have an affect on you, that can push your buttons, whose actions have the power to effect your moods and thoughts. To put it into a non-bdsm sense, if i got pulled over by a cop for speeding, i would feel that fear and respect, i recognise his authority and know that he has the power to fine me if he so chose. i recognise he has the authority to let me go. Whatever he decides it could effect my mood a little, could effect my actions in the future etc etc... am i close there crimsontied4u? Putting it into a bdsm context, i think what the op is asking is what kinda Dominant personality is most able to pull your strings? Answering that question, i dont think i could say either Old Guarde or Gorean. These words arent in my life but if one represented a Master who was confident in his role as the Dominant personality, was reliable in the context of being consistant in his actions as Dominant, was absolutely able to recognise me in my role as slave and treated me accordingly...thats who it would be for me.

girl4you2 -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (12/1/2005 4:52:24 PM)
Edited: quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave One could just as effectively choose Dr. Suess as a BDSM role model. I will beat you when you strip. I will beat you with my whip. Until there's red upon your tan, I will beat you, slave-i-am -SD- i'm sure theo would not really mind so much, as he did get his start in pornographic materials before he starting writing those rhyming books for kids. kinda makes the cyclical nature of things seem right.

B1gbear -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (12/1/2005 7:01:22 PM)
Your talking about completely different things in that single question. First off you have to understand what Old Guard and Gorean are. They are quite simply 'styles' of high protocol lifestyles. Old Guards is confused in the general understanding of it by most. Most from the Leather community will tell you it originated from WW2 vetrans coming back from Europe and evolved into the Gay Leather Biker scene. Full of high protocol practices derived from the military traditions. Others say it did come from Europe, but was the European BDSM houses as compared to the Oriental BDSM Houses of the Far East. Gorean philosophies come from the fictional books by John Norman. But meet a Gorean and an Old Guard Master in the same room and the only difference you may see is the terms they use when they speak....or the names of the positions their slaves use. In the end, both are simply very formal high protocol Master/slave lifestyles. Should anyone fear or respect them for that alone, absolutely not. If you fear the serious nature of true submission that both require of a slave, then yea, I'd keep a healthy distance from both. But fear them....no. They are just a deeper and more committed lifestyle choice than the average Dom/me and sub choose. They don't want to drag you into it any more than you want to be there. That said there are probably half dozen more flavors of high protocol Master/slave lifestyle choices that are widely accepted and hundreds of sub flavors that individuals have chosen for their specific relationships. I once founded an educational group on this subject so I don't speak just from my personal opinion. The subject was studied by my former group for some time. As for respect.....There is only one answer for respect. It is earned, not awarded or claimed by title. Its as individual as we all are and is earned one person, one day at a time. You never 'owe' it to anyone, and if you encounter someone who is not okay with that concept, they certainly don't deserve it. Hope that helps.

IronBear -> RE: Which is most feared/respected (12/1/2005 11:07:35 PM)
The Bigbear, would have to be one of the best and informative posts I've seen in quite a while.. My thanks to you. Slainte'

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