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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/9/2008 8:49:05 PM

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Ah what the hell I couldn't resist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjSntjHBQn0

This is why it is better to keep Marines occupied with something other than their own devices.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/9/2008 9:06:08 PM

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Thadius - we are already providing the Jihaadists all the care they need. See heres one of your fellow Marines making sure that the poor misguided insurgent was able to get his celestial virgins without further delay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3imI6w5V6HU That particular islamic radical was delivered to Allah by the benevolence of the USMC....

Edited to add: OK since you couldn't resist I cant either - dont let Navy pilots get bored or else marines suffer LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V41X8rp4Cso

No offemse Thad!

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/9/2008 9:08:39 PM

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Thadius - we are already providing the Jihaadists all the care they need. See heres one of your fellow Marines making sure that the poor misguided insurgent was able to get his celestial virgins without further delay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3imI6w5V6HU That particular islamic radical was delivered to Allah by the benevolence of the USMC....

Yes there is only one mistake in that translation... it isn't virgins, its Virginians. Patrick Henry and his band of brothers will be waiting with open arms

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/9/2008 9:11:32 PM

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Well, it's not like they can be detained as an enemy combatent or anything. That would be wrong.

And we can't always rely on God proving just how great he is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8PVEVfqlU&feature=related

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/9/2008 9:39:17 PM

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That second one was just scary... Almost reminded me of something you might see if they let them submit videos of shellback ceremonies.

A classic though.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:14:39 AM

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I prefer this method instead.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3IL79NPDKI God, that footage give me a hard on... Watching that makes me proud to be an American.

If you watched the programme you would have seen an interview with a guy who killed a couple of Americans, the reason he was radicalized enough to go out and kill Americans was because he saw a video of the American military murdering civilians.

Your base instinct and you being prone to get a boner at the sight of a gun ejaculating sort of confirms the rest of the world's opinion of Americans and the reason why so much of the world is unsafe for Americans. If I was your compatriot I would be disgusted with your attitude.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 3:34:15 AM

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Ya know Ill be damned but it seems there actually IS something to this theory of reeducating them... Maybe the OP is onto something!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghuiyzYu5_o

LMFAO! Looks like we actually can "win their hearts and minds" without having to kill or even injure them...

Look here how we can even get the Iraqi police sensitivity training on GLBT issues! Who says ya cant teach an old dog new tricks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_EBvKdvoLE

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 4:42:58 AM

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OK. So what is your point? American soldiers are rednecks?

It wouldn't surprise me if one of those Iraqi policemen could speak English and as he is laughing, he's probably thinking 'Yeah, you'll be sucking your own cock soon.'

The other thing is, these sort of videos are used for recruiting freedom fighters/terrorists, depending on which side of the fence you're on.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 10:23:41 AM

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 12:16:20 PM

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OK. So what is your point? American soldiers are rednecks?

It wouldn't surprise me if one of those Iraqi policemen could speak English and as he is laughing, he's probably thinking 'Yeah, you'll be sucking your own cock soon.'

The other thing is, these sort of videos are used for recruiting freedom fighters/terrorists, depending on which side of the fence you're on.

Lighten up...They show US troops having some good clean fun and its FUNNY. They have a stressful job and the Iraqis make nice playtoys... As for recruiting terrorists, thats the idea the terrorists are muslims with no sense of humor... If the videos offend then they become terrorists and we kill them, no more terrorists LOL Win by attriion.... The point here is that the guys who have been there and done that both on this board and on the videos arent whining and bitching about the war... Notice that myself, thadius, and the others who have actually served arent concerned with the plight of the Iraqis and can find humor in it? Notice that the troops are having a ball, and laughing their asses off... Even that marine who popped the wounded Iraqi said "It was like awesome lets do it again". The ones bitching about the war and demanding the troops come home havent been there and dont appreciate whats really going on... I know that after we bombed the piss out of them we would be high fiving, eating popcorn in the ready room, watching the gun camera films and laughing our asses off... Soldiers LOVE the work...

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 12:36:42 PM

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You fail to see what other people in the world see, that is the point. You are in someone else's land and they don't see the funny side of it. If Arabs were occupying part of the USA and doing the same thing, you wouldn't find it funny either.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 12:39:47 PM

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As for recruiting terrorists, thats the idea the terrorists are muslims with no sense of humor... If the videos offend then they become terrorists and we kill them, no more terrorists LOL Win by attriion....

We’ve been here before tragic, what happens when they bring the war to your doorstep again and kill your friends and family where you live? Remember that not all wars are fought in foreign lands and no one is untouchable. Thanks for speaking to the middle east on my behalf, you are a real credit to the west.
Home grown terrorists are the worst, they are the ones you are helping to recruit and they don't all go to die in foreign lands.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 12:54:07 PM

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As for recruiting terrorists, thats the idea the terrorists are muslims with no sense of humor... If the videos offend then they become terrorists and we kill them, no more terrorists LOL Win by attriion....

We’ve been here before tragic, what happens when they bring the war to your doorstep again and kill your friends and family where you live? Remember that not all wars are fought in foreign lands and no one is untouchable. Thanks for speaking to the middle east on my behalf, you are a real credit to the west.
Home grown terrorists are the worst, they are the ones you are helping to recruit and they don't all go to die in foreign lands.

Thank you for self defining youself. If the thought of killing civilians to gain attention for a cause, is the best that you can do. What does that say about the cause it self? Perhaps I should find some videos from the Balkens, where the US was saving the Muslims from genocide? I know, that one doesn't count.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum,
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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:01:28 PM

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Self defining myself? What kind of nonsense is that?

I'd hope I'd be able to define myself. I simply ask people to realise that cause and effect go hand in hand and the effect isn’t always desirable.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:12:52 PM

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As for recruiting terrorists, thats the idea the terrorists are muslims with no sense of humor... If the videos offend then they become terrorists and we kill them, no more terrorists LOL Win by attriion....

We’ve been here before tragic, what happens when they bring the war to your doorstep again and kill your friends and family where you live? Remember that not all wars are fought in foreign lands and no one is untouchable. Thanks for speaking to the middle east on my behalf, you are a real credit to the west.
Home grown terrorists are the worst, they are the ones you are helping to recruit and they don't all go to die in foreign lands.

They already did bring the war to our doorstep in fact they started it. Perhaps you heard about the USS Cole? The 2 US Emabssies? Bombing the WTC the first time? Sept 11th, 20001? It came to the NY City skyline, to the Pentagon and to a field in PA. Then we said fuck this and took it back to their shores. Those who are prone to terrorism will be found and killed. Those who arent are faring just fine.... When I was a child I remember watching my dad go off to kill muslims with a weed up their asses, then I grew up put on a uniform and went off myself to kill muslims with a weed up their asses, and unless we stop them now I am sure one day I will have a son who will himself have to go kill muslms with weeds up their asses.

As Thadius noted we have done much to HELP muslims... We sent the Marines to Beiruit in 1983 and they bombed the barracks.. We stopped them from being eradicated in th balkans. We have reigned in Isreal 1000 times, we helped the afghans get the Soviets out, we wnet to Somalia t feed their starving asses and they shot our helicopters down and dragged american corpses through the streets.... We have done a lot for the Muslims.

Its time they start showing us a little fucking gratitude. Those who lack the sense of humor and adaptibility to not be gracious and grateful to their benefactors are being rooted out - and they will be killed. Remember somehting about Iraqi insurgents - these fuckers hate us because we SAVED THEM from Saddaam Hussein. Remember the benevolant leader with the mass graves, poision gas attacks on his own people, and who thought torturing olympic athletes for poor performance was motivational? Did you forget saddam was a monster and the insurgents are the ones who worship him even though he was tried, convicted and hanged?

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:19:35 PM

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Did you not state "we've" meaning you and others (inclusive)?

I am quite aware of the ramifications of cause and effect. However, should we change our policies as a result of terrorist actions (either at home or abroad)? This would seem to be reverse conditioning. If we were to pull all of our troops out of the Saudi peninsula, what would the next demand be? I would guess that attacks would begin again demanding that we cut ties with Israel. Then what? This is why there will not be compromise with the radicals. If you begin making concessions to radical groups (not just Islamic) it is seen as the way to achieve things, and thus encourages more radical behaviour. I would also point out, that I know there are radicals of every faith, creed, and background.

For a group that has a long memory of past wrongs, their short term memories seem to be at times faulty. How would the Mujahadeen faired without the help of the "Zionist Americans" in their struggle against the Soviets?

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:26:44 PM

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For a group that has a long memory of past wrongs, their short term memories seem to be at times faulty. How would the Mujahadeen faired without the help of the "Zionist Americans" in their struggle against the Soviets?

Probably OK. The Soviet system rotted from within, not with the aid of America. Don't forget the Mujahadeen hate America just as much as they hated the Soviets, both are imperial powers in their eyes.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:36:10 PM

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They already did bring the war to our doorstep in fact they started it. Perhaps you heard about the USS Cole? The 2 US Emabssies? Bombing the WTC the first time? Sept 11th, 20001? It came to the NY City skyline, to the Pentagon and to a field in PA. Then we said fuck this and took it back to their shores.

Yeah you'll spot I used the word 'again'.

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As Thadius noted we have done much to HELP muslims... We sent the Marines to Beiruit in 1983 and they bombed the barracks.. We stopped them from being eradicated in th balkans. We have reigned in Isreal 1000 times, we helped the afghans get the Soviets out, we wnet to Somalia t feed their starving asses and they shot our helicopters down and dragged american corpses through the streets.... We have done a lot for the Muslims.

I've never stated otherwise but glorification of killing, isn't going to be read well by someone who has lost their family in a bombing. Mistakes happen but you are giving the impression it's all intentional and if you kill an innocent so be it. Under such circumstances it's hard for an impartial observer to see the difference between you and a terrorist let alone some one full of rage and hatred towards your country.

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Its time they start showing us a little fucking gratitude. Those who lack the sense of humor and adaptibility to not be gracious and grateful to their benefactors are being rooted out - and they will be killed. Remember somehting about Iraqi insurgents - these fuckers hate us because we SAVED THEM from Saddaam Hussein. Remember the benevolant leader with the mass graves, poision gas attacks on his own people, and who thought torturing olympic athletes for poor performance was motivational? Did you forget saddam was a monster and the insurgents are the ones who worship him even though he was tried, convicted and hanged?

Job done now though what are we staying around for? A society needs it's own heroes, therefore it must have it's own civil wars and create it's own shared history to realise the importance of democracy. Harsh but true democracy can't be imposed from the outside, so why are we still trying, are we trying or is it about something else entirely? The Iraqis were grateful but swapping one leader they had no say in electing for another leader they have no say in electing is going to wear a bit thin after a while. Yes we have a puppet Iraqi government which is widely recognised as such. A group of people so oppressed aren’t going to react well when their saviours start looking like their next obstacle to self determination. Why is none of this obvious to anyone?

To be honest with you many mistakes were made in the war but none greater than removing every civic administrator from that government, yes they were part of the old Iraqi government but where did they end up once jobless?

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:53:06 PM

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As for recruiting terrorists, thats the idea the terrorists are muslims with no sense of humor... If the videos offend then they become terrorists and we kill them, no more terrorists LOL Win by attriion....

We’ve been here before tragic, what happens when they bring the war to your doorstep again and kill your friends and family where you live? Remember that not all wars are fought in foreign lands and no one is untouchable. Thanks for speaking to the middle east on my behalf, you are a real credit to the west.
Home grown terrorists are the worst, they are the ones you are helping to recruit and they don't all go to die in foreign lands.

They already did bring the war to our doorstep in fact they started it.

They didn't start it. Ask yourself why the USA had troops in the middle east before 9/11. Ask yourself why the US with the UK over threw a democratically elected government in Iran. Ask yourself why the US supports brutal dictatorships in the middle east.

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RE: Radical Idea - fight Jihadist ideas with ideas!! - 7/10/2008 1:56:56 PM

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I am quite aware of the ramifications of cause and effect. However, should we change our policies as a result of terrorist actions (either at home or abroad)? This would seem to be reverse conditioning. If we were to pull all of our troops out of the Saudi peninsula, what would the next demand be? I would guess that attacks would begin again demanding that we cut ties with Israel. Then what? This is why there will not be compromise with the radicals. If you begin making concessions to radical groups (not just Islamic) it is seen as the way to achieve things, and thus encourages more radical behaviour. I would also point out, that I know there are radicals of every faith, creed, and background.

For a group that has a long memory of past wrongs, their short term memories seem to be at times faulty. How would the Mujahadeen faired without the help of the "Zionist Americans" in their struggle against the Soviets?

Yes the enemy of my enemy is my friend, until my enemy is no more. In any case how old would those Mujahadeen be now that fought the Soviets? Is that the same generation you are fighting now?

Yes the west has always stated it doesn't negotiate with terrorists, this is largely said for the domestic audience because they have been know to negotiate with them, it's not uncommon, they just don't admit to it because that would show them as weak. The truth is they'd like to negotiate with someone but the organisation they face isn't a political one by a religious one that can't be reasoned with.

I'm not saying we should give in to terrorists but we must pick fights we can win and what is going on in the middle east we can't win. You can't be part of the solution when you are part of the problem. It's almost like that scientific rule that the closer you study something the less sure you can be that by studying it you aren’t effecting the result.

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