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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 9:37:57 PM

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A good friend of mine is a sub with bi-polar...and other health issues.
She serves weel and explores the lifestyle...she has her ups and downs but stays on her meds.
I do not know why bi-polar would interfere. Like anyother health issuse (mental or otherwise) as long as it is addressed and taken care of the person can be functional...they can serve.
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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 9:42:40 PM

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to some degree i will agree with you on diagnostic techinques, but the underlying triggers for bi-polar have also been layed with genetics and environment. now personally i can claim both. paternally and maternally, i have aunts, diagnosed, and grandmothers fitting the profiles. well the environment left a bit to be desire, and most likely helped trigger things early.

as far as medication is concerned, if all the current research is correct and nerotransmitter are the chemical key to our emotions. then stabilizing those transmitters should help stabilize our moods. there are a huge other number of factors that contribute to the welfare of someone with the condition, just like with anything else.

but you dont ignore your insuline shot and gorge on sugar if you have diabetes. a miss fire is a miss fire.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 9:50:03 PM

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I would think that you can serve as a sub with bipoler, I am a Domme and I have clincal depression and with the right meds you can controll your mood swings, BUT what person in this workd dont have mood swings with up and downs? EVERYONE to me has some sort of depression and noone can tell me diffrent..

good luck to you, I hope you find the right Dom

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 9:50:23 PM

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As someone who's been dealing with this since adolesence, I can tell you that bipolar (what used to be termed manic depression) is not something that is just behavioral in nature. These swings seem to stem from a chemical imbalance in the brain. People with bipolar can NOT just change with love and constant attention. First, you need to understand your situation: you will NOT be in full control of your moods. The people around you, in order to deal with this reality, should be told.. in detail... what to expect. Second, you need to get onto the right drugs and in the right doasages.

I think what your Dom is asking was born out of ignorrance. Yeah, it was also a bit rude, but being ignorrant of the facts often leads to that. He's probably worried he might have to put up with a ton of crap from you (effectively becoming your caregiver) if he takes you on as his sub/slave. He just needs to be educated. And, you need to be sure he DOESN'T have to end up in that role by taking responsibility for his potential property, and working at getting it under control. This means eating healthy, staying on your meds, getting excersize, and keeping yourself from falling into a "routine" which can lead to a depression.

Can you be a good sub while being bipolar... hell yes! Will being in the scene help you stay stable, emotionally? Well... maybe. (BDSM and sex in general often helps to break up that "routine" I was talking about.)

I found it rather funny that a group I used to belong to here in the Little Rock area got into discussing this very subject one night... the question was asked "how many of you are bipolar?" Half the people in the room put their hands up. Many of them who did were subs whom I've known for a few years, and greatly admired.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 10:31:23 PM

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i have bipolar, and i do alot to keep it in check. you have ups and downs, but i really try. well anyways i had a Dom last nite ask me somethin. "how can you be a submissive if you have bipolar?" my submission comes deep with in me. even though my moods come up and down. i still know my place. i know who i am proudly and i know that the disorder to is part of me also. i dont have a Dom at the moment. but i think that its not the question of bipolar would keep me from submitting to Him. His guidence to me would lead me back in mind set if i strayed. " with His hands that lead, she shall follow!" that is my thoughts.

First of all that was a very small minded question. It's like asking you how you can be submissive if you have a heart condition. Any illness that a sub or dom has does not negate the fact that he or she is a sub or dom, the illness is simply something to be aware of and worked around. The illness isn't who you are or what you are, it's something you have. Having a dom that can give you guidance and help you through your low points will most likely be much healthier for you than trying to deny your submissive self which will likely make your mental illness even worse from the stress it would cause.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 11:40:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

There are more than one type of bipolar. Some of it can be behavioral. It can also be from chemical imbalances... whic is a mental DISEASE. Try and tell me it isnt. I have it.

it isn't a disease. that's not what diseases are. just because you can affect a variable (like mood) with a pill does not mean the original mood is abnormal, it just means it can be manipulated.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/9/2008 11:45:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

to some degree i will agree with you on diagnostic techinques, but the underlying triggers for bi-polar have also been layed with genetics and environment. now personally i can claim both. paternally and maternally, i have aunts, diagnosed, and grandmothers fitting the profiles. well the environment left a bit to be desire, and most likely helped trigger things early.

yeah, all so called mental diseases have a genetic factor. however, these are still just behaviors (as science has yet to say otherwise). what we see is that ALL behaviors have a genetic component, not just what is listed in the dsm-iv.

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as far as medication is concerned, if all the current research is correct and nerotransmitter are the chemical key to our emotions. then stabilizing those transmitters should help stabilize our moods. there are a huge other number of factors that contribute to the welfare of someone with the condition, just like with anything else.

and again, what reactions to life's stimuli are normal and what reactions are abnormal are wholly subjective. they may be unwise, they may be unintelligent, they may be maladaptive...but you'll have a hard time arguing that they are unnatural.

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but you dont ignore your insuline shot and gorge on sugar if you have diabetes. a miss fire is a miss fire.

I agree. for some people medication is a must (assuming it is voluntary). for others, they prefer to work with other methods.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 1:26:03 AM

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Of course a sub/slave cans serve if they suffer bipolar disorder, provided they are with a dominant that knows how to deal with that. Managing bipolar is not as difficult as all that. It is simply a matter of dominating the sub/slave on a holistic level.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 1:45:34 AM

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i do understand that some can manage thier swings holistically or through behavior management. being a massage therapist, and enjoying the benefits of getting back into energy manipulation. i am aware of the benefits, but having lived with the full swings for 8 years. then fully medicated and only semi crazy for 10. i vote for semi crazy.

whatever works for each individual, but it is an idvidual's choice and responsiblity. an owner/Master/Mistress can only act as support, not take on the responsibility, share it maybe, but in the long run it is still we still own it.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 1:54:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: leakylee
whatever works for each individual, but it is an idvidual's choice and responsiblity. an owner/Master/Mistress can only act as support, not take on the responsibility, share it maybe, but in the long run it is still we still own it.

So are you saying then that in an M/s relationship, management of bipolar disorder should be a 'hard limit' if you want to be able to call the relationship SSC? The sub cannot trust their dominant with being perceptive enough to know when it is time to call in expert reinforcements (i.e. psychiatrist) or to keep the sub on the proscribed medication and health regemin required to keep the sub from cycling so rapidly or violently that they become a danger to themselves or others?

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 2:24:24 AM

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i am not saying that entirely. in my experience i will admit that my closest family and friends notice the small quirks sooner than i do, but personally it is something that i have always been responsible for. for me it falls into that realm of keeping property healthy up and running. it is just a vunerability that i dont share. i dont expect others to carry the burden.

there have only been a couple of times in my life that others have had to step in and assist, but even then it fell to me to take the action. i guess in an extreme instance it would be expected, even as property it should be expected. but damn that would be hard to swallow.

boy that toe jam was lovely..

good point though..

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 2:44:58 AM

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So then a combination of a holistic approach and faith in the dominant/owner to assume the responsibility of being vigilant (along with the complete honesty expected in this kind of relationship) might possibly give a sub a more SSC environment than 'owning' that condition themselves?

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 3:27:12 AM

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Yes, a submissive or slave with bi-polar can serve. you are not your bi-polar, your bi-polar is not you.you, are an s-type. What's needed is simply an effective way for you and your owner to deal with the condition.

The Dominant who questioned you ability to serve was just too uneducated to understand that.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 5:29:28 AM

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My Sir and i had a pet who was bipolar, and not on any medication. She was VERY up and down - and very hard to live with in that there was always a drama going on - even if we didn't know it. I'm a pretty easy going person so that aspect was something of a trial. I like a calm peaceful house.

Untreated Bi-Polar is a bitch to live with. I have gone through the drama before. If it was managed and under reasonable control. I think it would be a different story.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 6:41:58 AM

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yes Maxwell, with time, lots of time (hehe) it would be possible, but i dont know about going a totally holistic route. i still have face in anti looney meds. thank you.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 7:01:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: variation30

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I agree. for some people medication is a must (assuming it is voluntary). for others, they prefer to work with other methods.

I am curious. Are you bi-polar?

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 8:45:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

yes Maxwell, with time, lots of time (hehe) it would be possible, but i dont know about going a totally holistic route. i still have face in anti looney meds. thank you.

lee

There is no reason not to work with both the holistic and more 'standard' approach. They are not mutually exclusive. The holistic approach simply assumes that your body is a living machine, say something like a very complex automobile. How you treat it affects the way every part works, and if all the parts are well cared for, the fluids are checked regularly, the tire pressure maintained, and the fuel is high-grade and not tainted, then diagnostic information will always be more reliable. So, if your timing chain is off a bit, the driver will be able to tell, simply by putting the engine through its paces and listening to the way it runs (assuming they know what to listen for). That does not mean the driver cannot consult a good mechanic any time a second opinion might be needed.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 9:16:20 AM

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thank you LP for sharing your story. i faithfully take my meds, if not i would be like the dog who chases his tail. like what the hell, is life just a tail chaser on a endless circle.lol.

You are quite welcome. I wish you the best of luck.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 12:25:06 PM

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This thread isn't about what terms to call bi-bolar disorder, nor is it about where it stems from. Give it a rest already, variation.

I had a live in female for about 3 years who is bi-polar. As her Mistress, her issues presented me with different challenges. That she had a mood disorder did not change the fact that she was indeed submissive. She was who she was, period; a submissive with a need to be owned, controlled, given boundaries and so on.

Part of my duties, to care for her well-being, was to refill her meds and make sure they were always available, come up with structured ways that reminded her to take her meds, and to make her keep and attend her psych appointments.

She had a need to have more structure in every day requirements. Creating "extra" rules to give her something to focus on, helped keep her mood in check. It would discourage her "spiralling" thought process.

Despite taking meds, some days she would be bratty and out of character. When she did get out of line, I would send her to my room and beat her. The scene, the pain/pleasure responses, would set her to rights, almost as if she wore a reset button. These sessions were very cathartic and worth every ounce of energy I put into it. LOL!

While perusing for a new sub or slave, finding that one had bi-polar would not discourage me one bit. If the rest of our wants, needs and wishes lined up well enough, bi-polar disorder isn't a real issue.

Just keep in mind that a lot of people don't understand, angel.

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RE: can a sub/slave serve with bipolar disorder? - 7/10/2008 1:38:01 PM

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If the rest of our wants, needs and wishes lined up well enough, bi-polar disorder isn't a real issue.

I 100% agree with this.

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