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Yes, we've been hearing this same tired refrain since NAFTA was passed in the Clinton years.  So what happened?  We were told that this was going to be a high-tech service economy.  Everyone went out and sought computer training.  We were supposed to be the leading edge of a new economy, where manufacturing was to be replaced by equally high-paying technology jobs.  Ten years later and all the computer jobs started being outsourced to India and other countries.  Just like the manufacturing jobs.  Cheap labor and corporate greed.  What should people train for next?  The only jobs that are going to be left are at the place with the blue vests and smiley faces that stocks their shelves with everything China can produce.

Quit your whining. Believe in big business and their big government whores. Haven't you learned that it's unpatriotic to question who benefits? Just bend over and smile as you take it like a good, obedient little taxpayer. Then tell others to do the same.

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When was the last time you were on an airline, or even looked around in an airport at some of the pilots and flight attendants?  They look exactly like everyone else.  Some tall, some thin, some fat, some short. 

You haven't needed to have "near perfect eyesight"  for a first class medical since the 1970's.

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As to the first part, go to your local airport and visit the general aviation terminal.  You'll find the same with corporate flight crews.  There are only so many beautiful people to go around, and apparently they all live in Houston.

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When was the last time you were on an airline, or even looked around in an airport at some of the pilots and flight attendants?  They look exactly like everyone else.  Some tall, some thin, some fat, some short. 

You haven't needed to have "near perfect eyesight"  for a first class medical since the 1970's.

#1 - I have never seen an air line flight crew that did not meet military grooming standards. I defy you to show me one US carrier that allows long hair, beards, visible tattoos or piercings etc... Yes the flight attendants are now a more diverse group in terms of age and appearance but all are height / weight proportionate and meet grooming standards for "a professional appearance".

#2 I do not crew airliners. I provide crew leasing / aircraft management for corporate aircraft and as such the standards are higher. The CEO and senior VP's will not accept a boxed baloney sandwich and a bag of peanuts handed to them by a middle aged Rosanne Barr.  They are not flying coach on a discount carrier. A less than gorgeous flight attendant handing them their wine, cheese, or lobster bisque will result in a complaint.  It is all about image, and they expect to be impressed and to be impressive to those that they bring aboard.

#3 Per FAR 67.103 a First or Second class medical requires corrected vision of 20/20 distant and 20/40 near. There is no uncorrected vision requirement. However, until 1996 the first class required uncorrected vision of 20/100 or better. Part 67 was revised in 1996, not the 1970's.

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As to the first part, go to your local airport and visit the general aviation terminal.  You'll find the same with corporate flight crews.  There are only so many beautiful people to go around, and apparently they all live in Houston.

The general aviation terminal (Would you per chance mean FBO?) doesnt count and that is general aviation. You will find all types of people there - essentialy anyone who can afford flight time in a Cessna 150.  I will fly a cessna 172 to KGLS (Galveston) wearing a hawaain shirt, shorts, and flip flops. I first started frequenting a local FBO when I was a 16 year old kid taking lessons. The people found in a general aviation FBO are not in any way representative of corporate crews.

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When was the last time you were on an airline, or even looked around in an airport at some of the pilots and flight attendants?  They look exactly like everyone else.  Some tall, some thin, some fat, some short. 

You haven't needed to have "near perfect eyesight"  for a first class medical since the 1970's.

#1 - I have never seen an air line flight crew that did not meet military grooming standards. I defy you to show me one US carrier that allows long hair, beards, visible tattoos or piercings etc... Yes the flight attendants are now a more diverse group in terms of age and appearance but all are height / weight proportionate and meet grooming standards for "a professional appearance".

#2 I do not crew airliners. I provide crew leasing / aircraft management for corporate aircraft and as such the standards are higher. The CEO and senior VP's will not accept a boxed baloney sandwich and a bag of peanuts handed to them by a middle aged Rosanne Barr.  They are not flying coach on a discount carrier. A less than gorgeous flight attendant handing them their wine, cheese, or lobster bisque will result in a complaint.  It is all about image, and they expect to be impressed and to be impressive to those that they bring aboard.

#3 Per FAR 67.103 a First or Second class medical requires corrected vision of 20/20 distant and 20/40 near. There is no uncorrected vision requirement. However, until 1996 the first class required uncorrected vision of 20/100 or better. Part 67 was revised in 1996, not the 1970's.

I've really, really been biting my tongue for a long time listening to your "expert knowledge" of aviation.  It's just getting to the point that I'm going to have call ass or bite my tongue off.   Personally I think the only thing you have ever flown is the flight simulator on your computer.  So time to call ass.

Have you heard of a waiver.  They're not hard to get.  I've had a first class for over 20 years and my vision was 20/200 back in '87.  Trust me, it didn't improve with age.

Speaking of calling ass, you, as an expert aviator must realize how grossly you have misled people reading this by claiming one of your part-time employees made 210K for working 76 hours a month at an airline.  Now if you are what you claim to be, then explain to these fine people here what a gross exaggeration that was, because if you don't, I will. 

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When was the last time you were on an airline, or even looked around in an airport at some of the pilots and flight attendants?  They look exactly like everyone else.  Some tall, some thin, some fat, some short. 

You haven't needed to have "near perfect eyesight"  for a first class medical since the 1970's.

#1 - I have never seen an air line flight crew that did not meet military grooming standards. I defy you to show me one US carrier that allows long hair, beards, visible tattoos or piercings etc... Yes the flight attendants are now a more diverse group in terms of age and appearance but all are height / weight proportionate and meet grooming standards for "a professional appearance".

#2 I do not crew airliners. I provide crew leasing / aircraft management for corporate aircraft and as such the standards are higher. The CEO and senior VP's will not accept a boxed baloney sandwich and a bag of peanuts handed to them by a middle aged Rosanne Barr.  They are not flying coach on a discount carrier. A less than gorgeous flight attendant handing them their wine, cheese, or lobster bisque will result in a complaint.  It is all about image, and they expect to be impressed and to be impressive to those that they bring aboard.

#3 Per FAR 67.103 a First or Second class medical requires corrected vision of 20/20 distant and 20/40 near. There is no uncorrected vision requirement. However, until 1996 the first class required uncorrected vision of 20/100 or better. Part 67 was revised in 1996, not the 1970's.

I've really, really been biting my tongue for a long time listening to your "expert knowledge" of aviation.  It's just getting to the point that I'm going to have call ass or bite my tongue off.   Personally I think the only thing you have ever flown is the flight simulator on your computer.  So time to call ass.

Have you heard of a waiver.  They're not hard to get.  I've had a first class for over 20 years and my vision was 20/200 back in '87.  Trust me, it didn't improve with age.

Speaking of calling ass, you, as an expert aviator must realize how grossly you have misled people reading this by claiming one of your part-time employees made 210K for working 76 hours a month at an airline.  Now if you are what you claim to be, then explain to these fine people here what a gross exaggeration that was, because if you don't, I will. 

Rule, I find it pretty damn odd that you "have been biting your tongue". We had this discusion before, and when Rhi asked I answered you didnt...



I don't recall having this discussion before.



As for waivers, yes I know what they are as well as "statements of demonstrated abilitity" etc. It is doubtful at best that a 121 carrier would hire on a waiver. The Navy will also give waivers, but only for existing aviators who have experienced a loss of visual acuity. Ie they will keep someone on with a waiver, not bring someone in with one. Nonetheless, the fact remains that FAR 67.103 requires 20 / 20 correction distant, and prior to the revision in 1996 NOT "the 70's" as you said,  the rule required 20/100 or better uncorrected. Yes their are waivers, I know a CFI / Commercial with one eye but that is not the rule and isnt handled in the AME's office its handled through OKC

There are all kinds of pilots flying 121 on waivers, from everything from vision problems to heart problems. 

The part time employee I refered to is a 777 captain at CAL. He makes $186 an hour for a total monthly pay for his 76 hours of  $14,136 . ($169,632) Then there is per diem allowance of $2.05 an hour, 2.2 % A Fund 12.75% B fund, stock options / profit sharing and the other little contributions bringing his reported income to $210 K.  That is what he gets from Continental. Now, in case there is any confusion, I have nothing to do with that - thats his "real gig" whereas I am his part time gig - where he does type training in the CE-500 and B-737 as well as ATP / ADX written groundschools, and airline interview sim preps.



Yes, what you failed to mention was that was based on flight time, not duty time.  That 76 hours of flight time translates into as much as 270 hours of duty time per month, depending on schedule.  Which translates into 67.5 hours a week based on a traditional work schedule.  Not to mention that pilots spend 17-18 days a month sleeping in hotel rooms away from their wife, children, and friends. 



As for the second post you made. Yes the correct term is FBO... FYI, and since we are calling bullshit here VERY VERY VERY few corporate aircraft are based at HOU. Less than 1% of the traffic at HOU is local general aviaton. MillionAire, Wilson, and Enterprise have FBO's at Hobby but they serve transient arrivals not local aircraft. Some corporate aircraft are based over at KEFD but the Houston Airport System is just too fucking expensive and poorly run so corporate operators eschew IAH, HOU, and EFD and instead operate out of Houston Executive (KTME), Hooks (KDWH), Lone Star Executive (KCXO) or  Sugarland / Pearland / LaPorte / Baytown / Houston West  etc...

I happen to love LaPorte (T-41). However, they are hardly representative of a "general aviation terminal" or corporate aviation. However, LaPorte Muni is home of the friendliest FBO on earth, every saturday they have a free barbecue for anyone who cares to come. However, grilling hot dogs on the grass and walking around shooting the shit with single engine piston pilots has NOTHING to do with the appearance standards maintained for corporate crews.



So where do your well-groomed and attractive crews get their fuel?  The local 7/11?

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finally.. someone other then me calling BS on DA... im sick of his bitching but as ive posted.. im not going to speak to him directly any more.. cuz everytime i do Mod 11 checks me out.. and i dont like being checked out by a mod.

im not saying hes entierly wrong.. its just the way he states his opinion and views that seam totaly ignorant and childish to me.

and archer.. if it were as simple as you make it sound i would have done it.. but im not college material.. not right now any way.. it would be a waste of money and time to go.. i truly do not think i would do well in college..

H >:)

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Rule, I find it pretty damn odd that you "have been biting your tongue". We had this discusion before, and when Rhi asked I answered you didnt...



I don't recall having this discussion before.
 
Well we did, Rhi called us both on it and I ran down my ratings which I will not repeat here - suffice it to say I dont have Multi-Engine Sea, Gyroplane, Airship, and my LTA-Balloon is restricted to airborne heater only. I also dont have any of the new shit like  "powered lift" or "weight shift" etc - whatever the fuck they are. The ASI at the Houston FSDO isnt even sure and "thinks its like a harrier or something". Ive got certificates ranging from PPL to ATP in various categories and classes, AGI & IGI, CFI ratings for anything I have at least a commercial in, Flight Engineer - Turbojet, Dispatcher, A&P (I do not have my IA), and 7 type ratings. You didnt answer.




As for waivers, yes I know what they are as well as "statements of demonstrated abilitity" etc. It is doubtful at best that a 121 carrier would hire on a waiver. The Navy will also give waivers, but only for existing aviators who have experienced a loss of visual acuity. Ie they will keep someone on with a waiver, not bring someone in with one. Nonetheless, the fact remains that FAR 67.103 requires 20 / 20 correction distant, and prior to the revision in 1996 NOT "the 70's" as you said,  the rule required 20/100 or better uncorrected. Yes their are waivers, I know a CFI / Commercial with one eye but that is not the rule and isnt handled in the AME's office its handled through OKC

There are all kinds of pilots flying 121 on waivers, from everything from vision problems to heart problems. 

And I dont dispute that, however they are not new hires they are guys they kept around so as not to lose the experience and training. This is heartless, but Im not gonna buy a new car with a ding in the door even though Im going to probably pick some up along the way.  If an airline hires a guy on a waiver, the condition isnt gonna get better with time it will probably worsen. Time and age marches on, I myself have had to get LASIK to get my uncorrected vision back to 20/20. I know a shitload of pilots with measurable hearing loss but they wont get better they will get worse with time. There are plenty of applicants, and an operator will not hire the "damaged unit" if there is an intact one available. Keeping a guy on the job with a waiver is one thing, hiring is another... Why get a guy trained and settled in only to have him downed at his next medical if the condition worsened? With some carriers this might not matter - like Southwest is "bring your own B737 Type Rating" - but others dont. If I ran an airline Id hate like hell to spend the time and  money typing a guy only to have his "murmor" turn into unstable angina so hes out at the next medical and we can start over with someone new.


The part time employee I refered to is a 777 captain at CAL. He makes $186 an hour for a total monthly pay for his 76 hours of  $14,136 . ($169,632) Then there is per diem allowance of $2.05 an hour, 2.2 % A Fund 12.75% B fund, stock options / profit sharing and the other little contributions bringing his reported income to $210 K.  That is what he gets from Continental. Now, in case there is any confusion, I have nothing to do with that - thats his "real gig" whereas I am his part time gig - where he does type training in the CE-500 and B-737 as well as ATP / ADX written groundschools, and airline interview sim preps.



Yes, what you failed to mention was that was based on flight time, not duty time.  That 76 hours of flight time translates into as much as 270 hours of duty time per month, depending on schedule.  Which translates into 67.5 hours a week based on a traditional work schedule.  Not to mention that pilots spend 17-18 days a month sleeping in hotel rooms away from their wife, children, and friends. 


That is not flight hours, that is paid from one hour before scheduled departure to one hour afte engine shutdown. Yes there is deadhead travel, wait time, etc all charged off against "duty time" in that it isnt considered rest under 121.471(f) However, lets be real - I dont get paid for the time I spend driving to the airport or waiting on someone either. In terms of actual duty you know as well as I do that the dispatchers do most of the preflight work so its pretty much "brief, grab, and go". Other duties such as sim checks, recurrency training etc are done on the clock. I will conceede the hotel room thing, although most 121 crews use crash pads so as to save hotel costs and make the most of their per diem. However, yes pilots - particularly those low on the senority list and hence unable to cherry pick routes- do spend an ungodly amount of time away from home. This is part of the reason why I, as the boss, am very selective about where I will fly. Got a three day layover in Vegas Im on that like flies on shit, seven day layover in Grand Cayman? Oh yeah, Im left seat on that one. A week at the Motel 6 in Waverly Iowa? Uh, NO been there done that sucked shit and still does. However, in the interest of truth - in the right place the layovers can be pretty fun and the guys are seldom missing their wives too much if you get my meaning... [:D]

So where do your well-groomed and attractive crews get their fuel?  The local 7/11?

Depends where the aircraft is based. We certainly dont use up a landing cycle and or and engine start cycle on a turbine aircraft to go to another local field for it specially since Im not the one ultimately paying and its billed at cost plus... LOL The fuel comes from the FBO on the field where the aircraft is it. Although networks now exist which allow pooled purchases. Thus you can have a prepaid account and debit fuel purchases off at hundreds of fields participating in the same network. On piston aircraft I go where its cheapest, and on a certain Cessna 170 sometimes it actually does come from the local Conoco in 5 gallon cans. WHOOPS Its not blue???? [:D]

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finally.. someone other then me calling BS on DA... im sick of his bitching but as ive posted.. im not going to speak to him directly any more.. cuz everytime i do Mod 11 checks me out.. and i dont like being checked out by a mod.

im not saying hes entierly wrong.. its just the way he states his opinion and views that seam totaly ignorant and childish to me.

and archer.. if it were as simple as you make it sound i would have done it.. but im not college material.. not right now any way.. it would be a waste of money and time to go.. i truly do not think i would do well in college..

H >:)

Why would you say something like you are not college material?  If you have an interest in something you'll do well.  Don't sell yourself short  (that's the end of my touchy-feely moment for the day).

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becuz im not.. ive been put down so many times in my life i have no self worth... im not good at anything. any dreams ive had have been crushed by "well meaning" adults who think they know more about my life then i do. ive been put down.. called stupid and told i was a f*ck up.. if you can go threw that and still think ur college material and can actually do something with ur life.. tell me how u did it.. cuz right now.. i feel like id be better off dead.

and archer.. if it were that simple i would have done it by now.. but its not.. so.. drop it ok.

H >:)