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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 2:50:53 PM   
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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 2:53:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The funny part of this entire talk is how folks are saying that Obama has such new and invigorating ideas...

Do a search for Obama Marshall Plan; oh and let's not forget his revolutionary idea for Afghanistan, it's called a SURGE.

After reading his ideas about a new Marshall plan, I can see why many Europeans are excited about the possibility of him becoming president.

I wonder who is going to wind up paying for his proposed doubling of foreign aid....



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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 3:00:51 PM   
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Merc might Obama have been referencing the fact that we as a nation are gluttons,that our  standard of living has consequences for the whole of humanity.Might he have meant that if America hopes to lead the effort against global warming we as a people might have to make some adjustments to our run away consumerism...is any of that possible..or is it necessary as you and others seem to do to take a snippet ,remove it from any context...point to it and say" AHA!! see I told you he's anti-American."..just my opinion


Slvemike, you assume a lot.
We use more resources than most other nations because we're smarter than most other nations.
I couldn't care less about foreign countries.
How is Zimbabwe's Space Program comming along?
LOL, I'd love it if Obama came out and said he was going to lower everyone's standard of living!
Whoever the next president is *their* obligation is to the *U.S.* not to foreign countries!
Yes Popeye the space program is what I was talking about,please if we are going to talk let's keep the conversation real..and yes the first duty is to the citizens of this country ,but Merc seemed to imply that intrinsic to that thought is the coressponding need to tell the rest of the world to fuck off....whether you or I like it the world has a finite supply of some basic unrenewable resources...and America uses an undue proportion of them...sooner or later we either adjust our style of living or come up with alternative fuel sources...

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 3:05:52 PM   
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Religion of "global warming" ah hahahaha that cracks me up.

Global Climate Change is a religion like sitting on your ass is a sport.
Really no point arguing this one Hippie,this is the same sort of thinking that rejects evolution,it is driven by forces other than intelect
Thadius did the original Marshall plan detract or contrbute to the boon that was the 50's?

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 3:34:05 PM   
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Really no point arguing this one Hippie,this is the same sort of thinking that rejects evolution,it is driven by forces other than intelect
Thadius did the original Marshall plan detract or contrbute to the boon that was the 50's?


When did it become our job to spend an extra 20 billion a year to rebuild parts of Europe?  I wonder how far those tax dollars would go towards, something like I don't know.... building a refinery or 4, or here's an original one financing the Army Corp of Engineers to do set up a federal oil exploration and retrieval program (perhaps going after the oil shale out west).

But to answer your question more specificly, the original Marshall plan was a boon for the US, because we were virtually the only ones that still had the ability to mass manufacture things, not so much damage to the infrastructure from bombing and stuff.  So yes the US economy was effected in a positive way.  Then again let's look at what Marshall warned in his proposal...

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It would be neither fitting nor efficacious for this government to undertake to draw up unilaterally a program designed to place Europe on its feet economically. This is the business of the Europeans. The initiative, I think, must come from Europe. The role of this country should consist of friendly aid in the drafting of a European program and of later support of such a program so far as it may be practical for us to do so. The program should be a joint one, agreed to by a number, if not all, European nations.


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The manufacturer and the farmer throughout wide areas must be able and willing to exchange their products for currencies, the continuing value of which is not open to question.


A few things come to mind.  Is Europe's economy in such a bad state that the US needs to help stabilize it?  How is the proposed plan by Obama going to provide a boon here at home?  Especially with his various tax proposals? Raising the capital gains tax, rolling back the "tax breaks for the rich", win fall taxes on oil companies... For the record, big businesses do not pay "winfall taxes" the consumers do.  Putting in regulations that lower profit margins, only leads to companies doing what they can to increase those margins, like raising prices or cutting costs (lay offs).

Just something I was thinking about,
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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 4:00:29 PM   
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Religion of "global warming" ah hahahaha that cracks me up. Global Climate Change is a religion like sitting on your ass is a sport.
A perfect summary of the global warming religious movement; because I said so and anything else; "cracks me up". Well hell - I'm going to turn down the water temp in my pool - NOT.

The global climate changes frequently and dramatically long before humans showed up on the planet. It's only humanity's ego, along with very high economic return on 'green' products that is producing this sense of urgency.

However feel free to practice and have faith. It's as good as having faith that there will ultimately be Global cooling. Which by the way was a religion forming in the 70's. Except at least in their case they can point to exact science for being right. Based upon observable evidence we only have about another 5 Billion years for that. Shouldn't there be 'red' products? We can't be too careful.
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Good luck on that Merc,but I don't think you will see to many social programs set up to "reward"success...sort of thought success was it's own reward...but than again I get confused when talking to you conservative types


Sorry for your confusion Mike. There is however a penalty for success - they call it tax. You know - the expected source of funds for all the failures.

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 4:25:47 PM   
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I grew up in an Irish/Catholic/Democratic/ Union/ family in Boston, Mass and Democrats today are an *entirely different party* than when I was growing up!
They had workplace immigration raids and wouldn't stand for illegal aliens being in the country.


A total fantasy, just like the bit about Democats ever 'caring about the working man'.
The Democrats have always been in favor of having somebody at the bottom rung of the ladder, and disenfranchised... slaves, immigrants, union laborers, migrant workers, soldiers, and illegal immigrants for decades... all just a meal ticket for the 'party of compassion'.

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 4:36:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
Religion of "global warming" ah hahahaha that cracks me up.
Global Climate Change is a religion like sitting on your ass is a sport.
Really no point arguing this one Hippie,this is the same sort of thinking that rejects evolution,it is driven by forces other than intelect
Thadius did the original Marshall plan detract or contrbute to the boon that was the 50's?


Mike,
Global warming theory is closer to defending creationism than it is the science evolution. In fact it speaks directly against the 'fossil' evidence of weather and climate recorded the past as recent as the Roman Empire. I think ignoring that grapes growing in Northern England is exactly the same as ignoring carbon dating of dinosaur bones. It is the human impact global warming priests who say to ignore that fact.

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 4:42:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
Religion of "global warming" ah hahahaha that cracks me up.
Global Climate Change is a religion like sitting on your ass is a sport.
Really no point arguing this one Hippie,this is the same sort of thinking that rejects evolution,it is driven by forces other than intelect
Thadius did the original Marshall plan detract or contrbute to the boon that was the 50's?


Mike,
Global warming theory is closer to defending creationism than it is the science evolution. In fact it speaks directly against the 'fossil' evidence of weather and climate recorded the past as recent as the Roman Empire. I think ignoring that grapes growing in Northern England is exactly the same as ignoring carbon dating of dinosaur bones. It is the human impact global warming priests who say to ignore that fact.


Somebody shared an interesting link earlier...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html 

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 5:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		A Time magazine poll says that 85% of Americans think we're headed in the wrong direction.
Yet, Obama and Democrats want to not only continue foreign aid but double it.
They want to give "amnesty" to illegal aliens.
They want to expand foreign policies.
They want to continue "outsourcing" and H1b visas.
They want to continue letting in 2-3 million people a year into the U.S.
They want to continue these disastrous "free trade" policies.
Slvemike, my good man, where's the "Change" here?
Obama says he's all about "change" but all the above would just be continuing *current* policy!


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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 6:39:45 PM   
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/108856/Congressional-Approval-Hits-RecordLow-14.aspx
The 75% currently disapproving of Congress is just shy of the record-high 78% in March 1992.


Which party was in control of Congress in March of '92?  Seems to be some sort of pattern.

Just sayin,
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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 6:56:35 PM   
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Merc might Obama have been referencing the fact that we as a nation are gluttons,that our  standard of living has consequences for the whole of humanity.Might he have meant that if America hopes to lead the effort against global warming we as a people might have to make some adjustments to our run away consumerism...is any of that possible..or is it necessary as you and others seem to do to take a snippet ,remove it from any context...point to it and say" AHA!! see I told you he's anti-American."..just my opinion


Slvemike, you assume a lot.
We use more resources than most other nations because we're smarter than most other nations.
I couldn't care less about foreign countries.
How is Zimbabwe's Space Program comming along?
LOL, I'd love it if Obama came out and said he was going to lower everyone's standard of living!
Whoever the next president is *their* obligation is to the *U.S.* not to foreign countries!
Yes Popeye the space program is what I was talking about,please if we are going to talk let's keep the conversation real..and yes the first duty is to the citizens of this country ,but Merc seemed to imply that intrinsic to that thought is the coressponding need to tell the rest of the world to fuck off....whether you or I like it the world has a finite supply of some basic unrenewable resources...and America uses an undue proportion of them...sooner or later we either adjust our style of living or come up with alternative fuel sources...


Well gee slvemike, the Senate just passed a $35B spending bill for aids, TB and malaria in "developing" countries!
Thirty Five Billion U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for foreign countries and this is in *addition* to the $34.6 B that they passed in "foreign aid" 6 months ago!
Who are these congressmen and senators working for anyway?
I'm expected to pay for medical care for people in foreign countries?
Wow, this will really make all the survivors of "Katrina" still living in tents or trailers very happy I'm sure.

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 7:07:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well popeye we can either help all these developing countries, open the borders or put a hell of a lot of armed men on those same borders...somehow I have no doubt which you will choose...the world has problems should we ignore them

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 7:13:20 PM   
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Well popeye we can either help all these developing countries, open the borders or put a hell of a lot of armed men on those same borders...somehow I have no doubt which you will choose...the world has problems should we ignore them


We have problems, and are ignoring them....

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 7:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Thadius but tell me this why is it okay to project our influence with the bodies of our young men,but spend some fucking money and Republicans get their panties in a twist...BTW how would Obama's proposed Foreign Aid bill looked stacked up next to what is being spent each and every day in Iraq

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 7:40:32 PM   
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yeah that about sums it up.

after listening to the dumbass at work.. ( Who I actualy like and get along with even though he is a G D neanderthal.... ) go on and on about the Dems, Gays.. and how global warming, and anything in mother nature is BS.. because anything humans do to the world could not *possibly* effect it. ( ever seen a strip mine bucko? ) Yeah.. I can not abide this type of knuckle head BS.

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 7:52:38 PM   
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Yes Thadius but tell me this why is it okay to project our influence with the bodies of our young men,but spend some fucking money and Republicans get their panties in a twist...BTW how would Obama's proposed Foreign Aid bill looked stacked up next to what is being spent each and every day in Iraq


Cool, lets pull all of our young men and women back to home shores... That should save quite a bit of money, at least for awhile.  Look I am all for charity and the great things that have been done with the donations.  If Obama wants to have Americans help others, perhaps looking at changing the tax code to allow a bigger deduction for donations... why force people to pay for a "charity" with tax dollars?  See the difference?

Oh and I can't wait to read all of the wonderful remarks in approximately 2 weeks when St. Obama returns from Iraq and once again changes his position to 3 or 4 years, and restates that he is just going to be moving those combat troops to Afghanistan.  They aren't coming home under Obama, they are just moving a few hundred miles. 



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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 8:02:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		You seem to miss the point Thadius,this country has two methods of influencing the world.The first is with the almighty dollar and tax payers scream bloody murder about it(BTW we have been doing this for Years so why blame Obama)The second method is the almighty military..now this method costs lives and one peek at the bill from Iraq and anyone can see a shitload of the aforementioned dollars...now here is where i get confused,this White House has been telling us for years "we either fight them over there are we can fight them here"now as a slogan that is so cool..as an actual tool  of foreign policy less so...but lets twist that slogan a little "we can either spend the money over there or we ca spend it keeping them from getting here"either way we are spending it.Dont You think America should buy a little good will after telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves for the last 7 or so years

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 8:24:12 PM   
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Religion of "global warming" ah hahahaha that cracks me up.

Global Climate Change is a religion like sitting on your ass is a sport.



         What would crack me up, if it wasn't so terrifyingly Orwellian and real, would be the co-opting of any terminology that might suggest an explanation other than their own by those same enviro-cultists who insist climate change is all our fault, "because we're baaa-aad."  We aren't to be allowed the language of dissent, it seems...

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RE: Has The Democratic Party Lost It's Way? - 7/17/2008 8:27:06 PM   
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You seem to miss the point Thadius,this country has two methods of influencing the world.The first is with the almighty dollar and tax payers scream bloody murder about it(BTW we have been doing this for Years so why blame Obama)The second method is the almighty military..now this method costs lives and one peek at the bill from Iraq and anyone can see a shitload of the aforementioned dollars...now here is where i get confused,this White House has been telling us for years "we either fight them over there are we can fight them here"now as a slogan that is so cool..as an actual tool  of foreign policy less so...but lets twist that slogan a little "we can either spend the money over there or we ca spend it keeping them from getting here"either way we are spending it.Dont You think America should buy a little good will after telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves for the last 7 or so years


I was not blaming him, I was only pointing out that he wants to DOUBLE the ammount going out of the country.  That he is also not as worried about lives being lost or ending the military deployments as he is portrayed to be.  He just wants to move them over a few hundred miles, kind of like playing the board game Risk.  He is going to do exactly what he has been railing against for the better part of a year, and use a SURGE to stabilize Afghanistan.

The funny thing that gets missed in all of that is... have we had an attack here since the almighty military began aggressive negotiations?

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