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Lynnxz -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 11:29:36 AM)

Oooo... interesting thread.

The only way in which I could see the arguement really being valid, was if the dom wanted me to drop everything, and depend on him- live in sub, etc etc.

I could *never* do it... it really just doesn't appeal at all. It has nothing to do with being submissive, and everything to do with the "Don't put your eggs in one basket" attitude. Besides... I need my space. :P




DesFIP -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 1:23:40 PM)

Steel, you said that dominant is what you are, not what you do. Is that always true? Are you your own boss or do you take orders from someone else? If pulled over by a police officer do you try to out alpha him or do you apologise for speeding and assure him you won't do it again? What about interactions with your parents, do you insist on being top dog there?

Actually, because of the fact that I have in the past made bad decisions based on my need to submit, is why I was so choosy this time. I felt the urge but did not allow myself to act on it until I knew he was the right man. He says I cross examined him. I prefer to think of it as checking to make sure his words and deeds agreed. Which I couldn't do until I had seen how he acted in bad situations as well as good ones. And to see him in all those situations took time. Just as I am capable of overruling my desire to get a hot fudge sundae, I am equally able to overrule my desire to submit. It's healthier this way.

Sigh, typo.




SteelofUtah -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 1:54:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Steel, you said that dominant is what you are, not what you do. Is that always true? Are you your own boss or do you take orders from someone else? If pulled over by a police officer do you try to out alpha him or do you apologise for speeding and assure him you won't do it again? What about interactions with your parents, do you insist on being top dog there?


I do not see any of those things defining a Dominant person. Am I Dominant in all my actions? I believe that I carry myself in an appropriate fashion Most of the time. I have my moments when I lose control and need to remind myself of who I am.

I don't believe that taking orders makes you submissive, I do as my Boss says regularly because I agreed to when I took the job and when his or her requests outweigh my agreement then I ask for better compensation. When a Cop pulls me over I get paronoid not because he is a Cop but because for over a decade of my life I was a Drug Addict and have had some bad run ins with cops, however cops are the Law and I believe it is important to respect and abide my the law, do I always succeed .... nope.... but I try. When a Cop pulls me over all but once I KNEW why and so I admitted my wrong and accepted my Ticket. The once that I did not know you bet you I got out of my car and checked to make sure that what he said was in fact there which it was and then a admitted my wrong again and went to fix the problem.

My Parents and I have a new found respect for one another. My Mother has 4 children and I am the only one who still speaks to her, mostly because of the fact that our entire life she was a guilter and a complainer and when I was 20 I sat her down and explained to her that I have no problem listening to her complaints however I will not always agree with them, I may always be her baby but I am no longer A baby and so when it comes to interaction with my parents we now enteract as equals and there is no longer that childlike need to submit to her rule.

I get the points that you are making but you need to understand that being Dominant in my world means being the Dominant party of a chosen relationship . It is not something I do it is how I am. Yes it cas caused problems in Vanilla frienships and the like but in the end I have remained for the most part who I am, because it isn't something that can be turned on or off like a switch.

That being said there are times in which I have to follow MANY RULES and do what is asked of my by MANY parties and continue on in this fashion because it is what is necessary to better the entire house, I do not see this as being submissive, not they was we see submissive in this lifestyle anyway, I see it as doing what is necessary for the greater good of my Family and house.

In that belief yes I ALWAYS am Dominant because I but the necessity of the whole family or relationship before my own desires because it is the responsible thing to do and I don't think andi would still be with me if I didn't give up what I want for what We Need.

And going with my OP, I also don't have to relearn how to be Dominant after long periods of being under someone elses rule. When it comes time to being back to my home and my family I am right back being the Dominant person that I am relied on to be. It is not something one can turn on or off, At least not the way that *I* see it.

Steel




Missokyst -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 2:17:17 PM)

In that I would agree, but for one reason.
As a parent who ruled my children, made the money, sacrificed for the greater good, Because someone needed to be in charge, I can tell you I can pick up the lead easily.  Being in charge is natural when your life, circumstance or personality makes you adopt that role.
And though I am not dominant because I am not into power, I can run things, and be dominant in my actions because of habit.
It is not something that turns on or off.  When needed, it is there.
Submitting is a different animal.
I don't have to trust someone to be in charge.  I just run things because it is expected.
But to submit, you have to know someone has your back.  You have to know they accept you, flaws and all.  You have to feel that this person, whoever that is is worth turning over your power to, because that is for your greater good. 
I can run things at the drop of a hat.
But I submit only when I feel safe.  And that is something that turns on gradually as you get used to the environment.

Submitting in play... that is another thing entirely.  It is my body that submits.  My mind/emotions are not at so much risk
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
I also don't have to relearn how to be Dominant after long periods of being under someone elses rule. When it comes time to being back to my home and my family I am right back being the Dominant person that I am relied on to be. It is not something one can turn on or off, At least not the way that *I* see it.

Steel




KnightofMists -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 3:41:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
I don't believe that taking orders makes you submissive,...


I agree.. but neither does it mean that your a Dominant because you give orders..

Giving and taking orders puts one person in the Dominant role.. and another in the submissive role.  a Dominance/Submission by situation.  IE.. Police officer stopping you when you run a red light.

Being a Dominant or Submissive personality speaks to the motivation of the person.  a Submissive person is motivated to be in submissive role as a preference while a Dominant personality will seek to be in the Dominant role.  However, a Dominant personality will not be Dominant in all interactions  nor will a submissive be in a submissive role in all situations.  For those with a strong tendency in one direction or another.. we seek relationship partners that compliment ourselves.  So that the Dominant personality will look for and desire that submissive personality and thus maximize the time they spend in their specific prefered role.... a specific role that is generally the most pleasing for them on a variety of levels.




KnightofMists -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 4:00:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I don't have to trust someone to be in charge. 


I disagree... Just because a person wants to be in the Dominant role... IE.. A Dominant Personality type.. doesn't equate to the person being in Charge.  In fact, Being in charge means that someone trusted you to be in charge and you the person in charge trusts that those who trusted you to lead will take the submissive role and submit.  It becomes rather dysfunctional if either of the two sides of the equation chooses to renege on the established expectations.   A person in charge doesn't just lead and expect followers.  He must trust that the followers will indeed follow as they have committed to.





Missokyst -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 4:14:58 PM)

Very true.  I have to trust that they will submit to my dictates.  You can't be a ruler without a kingdom, unless you are willing to only be master of your domain. <g>
As someone who has been in charge, and often, I assume that others are allowing me that position because they choose not to fill that role.  It is an assumption that for me requires no thought so I don't tend to see it from their side.
Whereas for me to submit.. that makes me ask myself whether it will be ok to submit to that persons authority.




angelslave77 -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 6:46:17 PM)

Just jumping in here without haveing read everything and my thoughts are that I was on my own  (even within a relationship) for so long that I dont think I could hand over the day to day and submit to a micromanagement situation. I couldnt cope with,, D type makes all the descions about where we go, how money gets spent ect ect. I am happy to submit to him to care of him, but I cant give over completely when it comes to afore mentioned type things and I believe it is because I have had to be in charge for so long.




brat4fun -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 8:17:02 PM)

Maybe I'm too submissive.  I don't know.  I find myself trying to please just about everybody, just about all the time.

I bend over backwards and jump through multiple flaming hoops to fill the requirements of all 4 of my jobs; and, I swear, I'm listed as "Sucker" on my bosses' phone lists.  I try to make my family happy.  I try to be a good little sub at parties... being social and polite.

Nowadays, though, I'm finding more and more of my focus shifting to one person and that sometimes scares the crap out of me.  I get these little voices shrieking in my head. What if I piss other people off spending so much time with him and I end up burning bridges? What if he gets mad because work pulls me away from him?  What if work gets mad because I'm not as available as I've been in the past?  What do I tell my Mom when she reminds me that dating someone is a bad idea when I have so many irons in the fire?  What if he and my Um don't get along?  What am I doing wanting to please him so much... am I going to lose myself in him?  What happens if I let myself fall in love with him and this doesn't work out???

So... it's not that I don't want to submit.... it's just that, especially in these early days of a relationship, the possible consequences of doing so could be bad; and I've not yet seen him in a "bad" situation.  It's a fear of the unknown.  All I can really do is be thankful that he's so gentle and patient with me... and see what happens next.

lil Aidan




Daddysredhead -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/21/2008 9:13:47 PM)

FR:

Just reading a few posts, I think that my own feelings tend to be similar to Kyst's.  I have never been submissive in a relationship ever.  The one I am in with Daddy is a first for me.  I've always been the controlling one in every other circumstance, even when I was married.  Submission is not a natural state of being for me, except with Daddy, and even then, I have had a couple times when my independence and take-charge attitude got in the way a bit.  I enjoy submitting to Him because I have a trust and love that surpasses all the other relationships I've been in.  He brings out the willingness for me to do as He wishes, to go beyond what I think I can, and to be strong enough to hand the reins over to Him.  I haven't found that with anyone else.




ResidentSadist -> RE: ~~I've been independent so long It's Hard for me to Submit~~ (7/22/2008 1:17:46 AM)

-fr

You can mark my vote down in the bullshit column on this one.

Either you is or either you isn’t.

Even a runaway slave is still a slave… anything else is just a lotta’ BS not D/s.




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