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Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 10:27:02 AM

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Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq

What a pity Obama can't rewrite all of history. Then he'd be perfect.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 11:11:58 AM

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Yeah,like you`re reading and keeping track of his website.

Yeah,lol I believe that.....

Speaking of surge,....

Can you explain why there`s 30,000 more troops left there now, than there was before the surge?

And how did "escalation" and it`s meaning, change to "surge"?Ah right,neo-con-speak can mean anything, on any day.Now that`s perfection.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 11:59:04 AM

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I love this comment under the article:

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It's like watching the old Saturday Night Live skit where the news commentator after running on about some thing they have no idea about says, "Never Mind."

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 12:06:56 PM

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Yeah,like you`re reading and keeping track of his website.

Yeah,lol I believe that.....

Believe. I happen to track both his AND McCain's websites. And will do the same with Barr if he shows any traction come the fall.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 12:07:35 PM

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A politician that lets updated information inform his views and responses? The horror! The humanity!

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 12:14:59 PM

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A politician that lets updated information inform his views and responses? The horror! The humanity!

Nice spin attempt but it fails miserably.

Updated information would be Obama saying "I was wrong about the surge."

Obama is instead denying he ever criticized the surge or called it a failure--both of which he most assuredly did, regardless of how he reconstitutes his website.

When a politician says "I never said that" in the face of explicit evidence to the contrary, that's being a gutless spineless poll-and-popularity-driven political hack. It is not being anything resembling a leader, and especially not anything resembling a leader worthy of the Oval Office.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 12:23:15 PM

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So that Hussein Obama Kill Whitey guy is not only scary, he's a sneaky darrrrr...nnn Moosluhm terrust too, huh?

Good thing we have alert right thinking citizens concerned with the natural order of things to warn us.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 12:44:57 PM

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How is any of what you said pertinent to the topic at hand?

(Answer: it isn't)

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 12:52:22 PM

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General ...

I see Senator Obama falling apart a little bit, and to me it started when he fell in with various media interests on the issue of Senator McCain saying he didn't understand economics. Senator McCain's words are part of public record, one trip to youTube will get you all you need to hear. What he actually said was he knew less about the economy than he did about the military and foreign policy, and still needed to be educated ... and in another instance admitted that he wasn't an expert on Wall Street. Both are considerably different than a general lack of understanding about the economy.

Of course, Senator McCain's sorry defense of himself on this matter, had him falling apart right from the start. Why not just show the clips and say ... "Knowing less about something, doesn't mean you know nothing at all ... and we ALL need more education ... and there is more to the economy than Wall Street!" Sort of makes you wonder how he will do in discussions with other world leaders.

On topic, much of what we hear about the situation today, backs up the thoughts of someone very close to me, that insisted the surge would decrease violence substantually, given time ... and that if the powers that be would have listened to their generals and sent enough troops early on to secure the Iranian border, this would all be over by now. That of course isn't justification for the war ... there is no justification for the war ... but it is, what it is.

Senator Obama spinning like a top on his position as it relates to the surge, also is what it is .. .sadly.

Still not voting for McCain.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 4:22:42 PM

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Pretty standard politics, Celt. Is he supposed to keep advertising how off the mark he was? Yeah, candidate of change and a new kind of politics, I know. I don't expect that to mean he should offer the crucifiction nails on his own website.

With his complete lack of executive experience, and his youth, he's going to have to be very careful about letting the words "I was Wrong," come out of his mouth.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 5:42:36 PM

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What's pathetic is the surge qualifying as a "success."

We've been in IRAQ longer than we were in WWII. The country is still unstable. Americans and American troops are still not safe outside the green zone. Iran's influence has increased.

Basically we're nowhere close to mission accomplished as the war was sold to the American public. We have, however, temporarily halted the mission from going completely down the tubes.

So, the clowns in the WHITE HOUSE have steered us into two wars gone astray while the country here at home has drifted into recession as the Feds failed to regulate the mortgage market. With this backdrop, Celticlord has his eyes fixed on Obama's website. He's akin to a madman upset with his waiter in the dining room after the Titanic hit an iceberg.

Here's something to think about:

How often, I wondered, did he (a senior US official who took me to lunch at a dining hall in Saddam's former Republican Palace) get out of the Green Zone to meet with Baghdad residents whose supply of electricity is down to two hours a day, or visit the pharmacies where basic medications like Tylenol are unavailable, or see the wretched tents and shacks where many of the two-million-plus internally displaced Iraqis have been forced to live?

In fact, this official told me, any trip he makes out of the Green Zone requires the deployment of thirty armed guards and two Black Hawk helicopters, all coordinated by the friendly young men at Blackwater. Cooped up in the Green Zone, embassy officials tend to be poorly informed about what's going on outside it.

If IRAQ was in decent shape, there would be no green zone and our troops would be coming home instead of being stop-lossed.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 9:06:46 PM

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What's pathetic is the surge qualifying as a "success."

The Iraqi government is assuming more and more responsibility for more and more Iraqi territory. The Iraqi government is acting with increased confidence in its own ability to handle internal security within Iraq.

This is the story as it's being reported by such conservative media organs as The New York Times.

Pathetic is insisting the surge failed when available indications are exactly the opposite.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 9:20:37 PM

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speaking of obama websites. pisses me off. i get email EVERY SINGLE DAY about the campaigne, he [hillary did it too] so to unsuscribe. well I never found THAT button. anyhow- i dont like the spam and since i could not unsubsribe i changed my email address to one that is one FOR spam. [tho i dont know if i have to confirm] why on earth do i need to be contacted EVER SINGLE DAY about that campaigne?

incidently - I have not had a problem with the Ron Paul website email list

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 10:00:22 PM

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What's pathetic is the surge qualifying as a "success."

The Iraqi government is assuming more and more responsibility for more and more Iraqi territory. The Iraqi government is acting with increased confidence in its own ability to handle internal security within Iraq.

This is the story as it's being reported by such conservative media organs as The New York Times.

Pathetic is insisting the surge failed when available indications are exactly the opposite.

Fine ,the surge worked let's bring them home...Okay all kidding aside his website reflects his thinking based on new information,and your hung-up because he didn't admit his miscalculation,by the way the Bush/Chaney White house refused to listen to calls for higher troop levels for how long.News flash he is running for President and as such he is disinclined to admit to too many errors...I don't have to hear the words "I'm wrong".

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/19/2008 10:13:37 PM

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We've been in IRAQ longer than we were in WWII.

Wrong. We still have military bases in both Germany and Japan. It took the combined allies from 1939-1945 to topple the governments of both. It took us less than a month to topple Saddam's government. We are not in a war over there anymore, we are in an occupation. What I am saying is not just semantics. The Allies had to deal with fanatics in both Japan and Germany for several years after the surrenders.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/20/2008 7:07:41 AM

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No, your measurement of success is just pathetically low. Keeping things from spinning out of control and into chaos is not success.

What we have over there is degrees of failure.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/20/2008 1:23:00 PM

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News flash he is running for President and as such he is disinclined to admit to too many errors...I don't have to hear the words "I'm wrong".

News flash: He is running for President. Someone who lacks the balls to own up to his mistakes need not bother.

In other words....Obama should pack up and go home. Billary has more testicles than that half man ever will.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/20/2008 1:41:09 PM

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If IRAQ was in decent shape, there would be no green zone and our troops would be coming home instead of being stop-lossed.

What part of the world doesn't have at least an unofficial green zone?

It isn't Houston.

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/20/2008 2:10:27 PM

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News flash he is running for President and as such he is disinclined to admit to too many errors...I don't have to hear the words "I'm wrong".

News flash: He is running for President. Someone who lacks the balls to own up to his mistakes need not bother.

So you agree GWB should never have been POTUS? Did you vote for him in 04? That was well after hisrepeated denials that there he had made any mistakes as POTUS. Or is this yet more of your partisan double standard crap?

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RE: Barack Obama purges Web site critique of surge in Iraq - 7/20/2008 2:49:47 PM

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My best friend was in IRAQ. He was traveling with a veteran soldier who had been in Vietnam. In Vietnam, when he was in Saigon all the soldiers roamed the streets and city without fear. In IRAQ an American soldier or American can never feel safe. Pretty odd for a "liberating" army to feel that way. (Five years after the fact.) We really don't have any foothold over there.

Frankly, only in a Bush world does a "drop in violence" amount to "success."

In my world, the surge is just a measure to address past failures. Five years later and the IRAQIs don't have electricity. 2 Million refugees are living in tents.

Its just funny, the war crimes we've committed, and CL is worried about Obama's web site.

I just don't understand Americans who want to reward the party that got us into this cluster-fuck of a bad situation. Why does the platform of endless war, massive debt to China, and recession garner so much loyalty? Goddam, its time to clean house.

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