Thadius
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If you didn't see the OP claim that is was an outrageous lie that the government deliberately infected black people at Tuskegee, because they really infected themseves, even the women and children, or if you didn't see him use the 'Obama must be playing the race card because he mentioned his father', or see him attack black's wanting to elevate their family values as somehow being racist, and if you didn't see his repeated use of the well known mantra that a black president would be against the 'order of things', and if you didn't see him, when asked if he was in fact echoing the groups who generated such rhetoric, respond with sneers and dismissive one word smirking, then you have had your eyes shut very tightly indeed.
Thing is, those are a matter of record, as is your complaining when other people who did see those words, choose to remember them.
I'm also on record as saying that I have concerns about Obama...but I didn't resort to any of those tactics to express them, and neither did many other people here who have managed to discuss Obama's shortcomings without using catch phrases and rhetoric from extremists.
I have gone back and re-read the threads that you refer to, namely http://www.collarchat.com/m_1900286/mpage_1/tm.htm where the Tuskegee discussion took place... I can't see anything in what Celtic said in that thread that comes close to what you are describing, at least in terms of any kind of racist mantras. I think you might be projecting a bit on this one. The only people talking about race in any terms in that thread were you and cyberdude.
And not to get even further off-topic here but this needs to be said. I could write a book on the great things that St. Sabina, Trinity, and The Nation of Islam have done for the various communities in Chicago. I used to volunteer over at St. Sabina during the holidays, it was just up the road from where my dad's CTA garage was on 79th St., so it gave us an extra benefit of having lunch during the week. That being said, it is still a widely held opinion in the city that the 3 heads of those great institutions are on the extreme sides of many issues. While those connections scare alot of people, the connections that scare me are the connections to the Daley and Stroger machines, then add in Rezko and Ayers, and I have to wonder which one owns a bigger part of his political debts. Within the next 3 years, the 3 Daley brothers will control the 3 most powerful positions in Illinois, Mayor of Chicago, governor, and president of the Cook County board.
Well that is enough rambling from me on that. It's just politics as usual.
Edited to add: Just read another thread, that focused more on race and race relations... The one where you questioned "natural order of things", while there are plenty of other citations from that thread that could be considered race baiting, and bigoted (by more than just one person, including the OP) I have to disagree with the way he used it there as being such. Oh and as an aside, you suggest that talk of natural order is a code phrase used by racists... Are you suggesting that Goreans are racists, as we talk about natural order all of the time?
< Message edited by Thadius -- 7/24/2008 4:48:09 AM >
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