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RE: breathplay - 7/20/2008 8:03:59 PM

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i am with you here. i enjoy breath play. generally it is light choking. there is only one person that i would even remotely trust to try a something like a plastic, but his being a EMT does help. the medical reassures me. my being a massage therapist allows allows me the knowledge of knowing exactly what i am getting into. the biggest part of it is that alot of what we do is dangerous. whips can slip. you can move the wrong way. it is all done with as much fore thought and understanding as possible. (hopefully)

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RE: breathplay - 7/20/2008 9:07:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: InsaenPleasures

I do not think it is possible to have an intelligent discussion about Breath Play. It is difficult for many people to understand why someone would want to put themselves and or someone else at risk with something that has so little reward. Yet in our own and other cultures people do that everyday in other non-BDSM ways and it is considered acceptable. Just as it is (or was) actually safer to fly, people are more scared of flying because plain crashes are so spectacular. A Skydiver hitting the ground because his chute did not open is unfornate; a girl dying of asphyxia is a national referendum on sexuality and the limits of Human exploration.

Any BDSM activity, when performed without care CAN BE DANGEROUS. Flogging, bondage, and yes breath play. Be as prepared as possible when you play and the chances of anyone getting hurt go way down. Do try and consider the circumstances but it is your right as a Human to explore, just do so with some sense.

You know you are right. People should be allowed to play as dangerously as they wish. If they are fully informed of the dangers and the possible consequences, the death of one and the going to jail for a very long time of the other, and are willing to except those things then go for it. As for clubs banning the practice I think it boils down to the same liability issues that a lot of bars have faced for someone who gets drunk there and then goes out and kills someone with their car. I guess they are figuring why take the risk with something that is so potentially dangerous.

As to the next poster you are right “whips can slip. you can move the wrong way” but what is probably the worst thing that could happen in that case. A minor trip to the ER for a couple of stitches and play would have probably stopped when blood started to flow from a place that it was not suppose to. With breath play there may not be any visible outward signs until it is too late.

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RE: breathplay - 7/20/2008 9:46:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: dragon2760
As for clubs banning the practice I think it boils down to the same liability issues that a lot of bars have faced for someone who gets drunk there and then goes out and kills someone with their car. I guess they are figuring why take the risk with something that is so potentially dangerous.

As to the next poster you are right “whips can slip. you can move the wrong way” but what is probably the worst thing that could happen in that case. A minor trip to the ER for a couple of stitches and play would have probably stopped when blood started to flow from a place that it was not suppose to. With breath play there may not be any visible outward signs until it is too late.

Bingo, Dragon. And we're concerned not just with the club's liability. How about the liability of the officers of the club? Like, say, the Vice President? For serving on the Governing Council of Desert Dominion, I get paid precisely nothing. No special priviledges, no cut rates for admission or membership, no private use of the facilities on dark nights, no nada. The duties of the job include: opening and closing every event (this is distributed among all seven Council Members,) training and organizing the DMs, and being one of the seven people to whom everybody looks when there are problems or complaints (and there are ALWAYS problems and complaints.) Don't take this for a whine, I volunteered for the job and like serving the local community in this way. But, I'm not going to volunteer for liability in a wrongful death lawsuit, not if there's any way I can avoid it.

Yes, other forms of play that we do allow have their dangers. We do cuttings and needleplay, both of which could lead to infections. Our rules in regards to those are designed to minimize that risk. We do other things that can and have caused injury, so far always minor. But the risks of breathplay are NOT minor. As Lockit has repeatedly pointed out and learned to her everlasting sorrow, the injuries possible can be major, permanently debilitating and/ or fatal. We simply cannot allow that risk.

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RE: breathplay - 7/20/2008 10:03:15 PM

Jnj

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I'm lucky enough to belong to a local membership only dungeon in Chicago that has three rules regarding what goes on in the play spaces:

1. No photography
2. No Alcohol
3. No Drugs

I've found that it has bred a group of members that are not only self regulating but also people who posess a great deal of common sense -- our members are expected to act like adults, and for the most part, they live up to this expectation. I think in this regard, education is key -- we seek out educational presentations that are edgy and dangerous, because we want our membership armed with as much knowledge as possible to protect themselves. I've noticed that groups that Jim and I visit that have lots of rules tend to be not only incredibly judgemental, but also slow to experiment and with members who are always searching for more fulfillment. To each his own I guess.

As for club liability, I think there is something to be said for plausability deniability.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 1:13:15 AM

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Risk is a natural part of life. Although some risk-taking behavior is desirable and even necessary. Not all risks I take are predicated by decisions I make, often times I can be forced into taking certain risks. Breath play is not one of those risks someone can forced me into taking - that is one I freely choose to take. The risk is a calculated one, one I am fully conscious of. Yet, the rush the desire to push myself to that edge is very addicting.

I would NEVER do breathe play with someone that did not know me, my body intimately. Nor would I do it with someone who did not at least now basic CPR - that is part of taking a calculated risk in my book is being prepared for worse case scenario. I also would NEVER do breathe play alone because of the risk factor.

That being said, I have never used plastic in fact it does not even sound appealing to me, However I have been choked to the point of nearly passing out. I have been suffocated with a pillow during a rape scene and I have been the one who has suffocated someone else with a pillow to the point of passing out. Risky? Yes, but again it is a calculated risk. As long as both people are adults, who know the risk and consent to the risks I personally say enjoy.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 3:01:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: asphyxialover

hello all is any people into breathplay at all plastic bags and the like

I love it. My preference is to be deep-throating and have my nose pinched and to be squeezed at the throat all at the same time. BUT it takes a skilful Master and one who knows exactly when to stop as using a safe word is impossible during this type of scene. Scarves and jewellery come in handy for hiding bruises at the neck which tend to emerge slowly.
I have been abused in the past by choking and believe me it is terryfying. But then what i find a walk in the park someone else would find a walk in the dark or vice versa.
I have had a member of my 'family' die from autoerotic breathplay. The verdict was accidental death but finding a body many days later in that kind of scene is extremely traumatic. See also:
http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/Autoerotic_asphyxia An accidental death due to autoerotic asphyxiation is an important plot element in the film The Ruling Class (1972), starring Peter O'Toole. It is also depicted in the movie Ken Park. The book Acquisition of Power by Erika Barr (ISBN 1591293073) also touches on the subject. Stephen Milligan (May 12 1948 - February 7 1994) was a British politician and journalist. As a journalist he had worked for the Economist and the BBC, but left the trade in 1990 when he was selected as Conservative Party candidate for Eastleigh. He became its member of Parliament at the 1992 election. The discovery of his corpse in what was an unequivocal case of auto-erotic asphyxiation combined with self-bondage and cross-dressing, led to a greater public awareness of auto-erotic asphyxiation and self-bondage and their risks. However, the manner of his death tended to overshadow his achievements in life, and his promising political career.

Below some links.....apologies if you already know this stuff.

http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/Breathplay
http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/Breath_control:_Safety
THE MEDICAL REALITIES OF BREATH CONTROL PLAY
by Jay Wiseman, author of "SM 101: A Realistic Introduction"

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 6:10:21 AM

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lol with all the tech today no photography rofl you hide a camera anywhere
i know i have seen the different tech

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 6:22:38 AM

angelikaJ

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ORIGINAL: Trashbagboy74

Breath Play can be Danerous but if you are with someone that is experienced in Breath play then there should be no problem with it.

Jay Wiseman disagrees with you on this:
"The primary danger of suffocation play is that it is not a condition that gets worse over time (regarding the heart, anyway, it does get worse over time regarding the brain). Rather, what happens is that the more the play is prolonged, the greater the odds that a cardiac arrest will occur. Sometimes even one minute of suffocation can cause this; sometimes even less.

Quick pathophysiology lesson # 1: When the heart gets low on oxygen, it starts to fire off "extra" pacemaker sites. These usually appear in the ventricles and are thus called premature ventricular contractions -- PVC's for short. If a PVC happens to fire off during the electrical repolarization phase of cardiac contraction (the dreaded "PVC on T" phenomenon, also sometimes called "R on T") it can kick the heart over into ventricular fibrillation -- a form of cardiac arrest. The lower the heart gets on oxygen, the more PVC's it generates, and the more vulnerable to their effect it becomes, thus hypoxia increases both the probability of a PVC-on-T occurring and of its causing a cardiac arrest."
(from The Medical Realities of Breath Play that Prinsexx has already linked to)

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 6:55:14 AM

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i do have a slight interest in breath play but, i've never experimented with it....dont know if i ever will on that one to much could happen.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 6:57:23 AM

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This thread reminds me of a thread on a ballbusting forum where I happened to mention that my Mistress made me drink her urine. There were many guys that liked to be kicked in the balls telling me what a freak I was for drinking it. That was amusing.

I like breathplay, although I've pretty much given up on it. I realized that I had reached a point where I wasn't willing to take the risk anymore. This isn't the first kink I've had that I've reached that point, either. I am mostly aware of the risks, although I've learned a couple of things on this thread (thanks, folks), but I'm not sure that I'll be using that information unless I happen to have a conversation on the topic in the future.

I completely support HVW's organization banning that activity. The legal risks to all involved are too great. If I were sitting on a jury of someone who happened to be playing with an individual who died (or suffered debilitating injury) during breathplay, it would have to be an exceptional case for me to vote to convict. That is, I would have to believe that death or heinous injury was the intent. You probably won't find very many people like me in the jury pool, though.

I have thoughts on taxpayer support of those who need permanent care, but those may be a bit controversial, and I sincerely don't want to disturb anyone.

Lockit, you have my sympathy, ma'am. I wish I had more to offer you.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 7:12:22 AM

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I love breath play. It takes my breath away.

However, my significant other is a doctor; not sure I would do it with someone who didn't know exactly what they were doing.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 10:01:59 AM

Lockit

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What are the signs that breath play has had an ill effect? How about someone very into it emailing someone very much not into it and asking them to be their mistress! Something has been damaged in there! Like duh... man... have another...

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 10:20:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: UglyTruth
Lockit, you have my sympathy, ma'am. I wish I had more to offer you.

Thank you for your sentiments. I really don't want sympathy... but more rather some change. We seem to have an epidemic where I live and they aren't telling people what is really going on. That is the worst part... that a feel good can ruin lives and not of just the one going for a feel good. I did not have a choice in this!

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 10:39:54 AM

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If I was on a desert island ... stranded ... with a weedy vanilla guy with a tiny cock, erectile dysfunction, and no tongue .... if I could persuade him to get into breath play ... I would be perfectly contented.
Thats how hot breath play is for me.
I am fully aware of how dangerous it is, I am fully aware of how quickly and easily it can go wrong, I am fully aware that I am literally putting my life into someone else's hands.
Consent runs in both directions. I am consenting to have my life put at risk, and they are consenting to put my life at risk. I don't force anyone into breath play with me - and I wouldn't ask them to unless I knew that they knew everything that I did.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 11:34:24 AM

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I enjoy light breathplay, ya know hand over the mouth controlled breathing type of thing, light choking even. Plastic? I almost had a panic attack from choking. If I /want/ to breathe and am struggling to do so, I'll freak out.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 1:41:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: softness

If I was on a desert island ... stranded ... with a weedy vanilla guy with a tiny cock, erectile dysfunction, and no tongue .... if I could persuade him to get into breath play ... I would be perfectly contented.

Dear Softness
i'm sure he'd have an arsehole and could sit on your face and smother it for a while...that's yet another form of breath control i love....now definitely cold shower time....

ed. to add and now the next time i get smothered like this i am going to think of this post and want to laugh....kinda difficult to laugh when not breathing eh?

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 2:12:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: asphyxialover

hello all is any people into breathplay at all plastic bags and the like

Plastic bags huh?

You know, I am very into breath play...but no way in hell would I let someone put a bag over my head...no fucking way.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 2:38:42 PM

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Besides what everyone has said here, maybe you should read this very good article by Jay Wiseman about the dangers of breathplay:

http://members.aol.com/Oldrope/breath.htm

(www.bigrock.com/~greenery).

edited to say: I guess three or four people beat me to the reference

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 2:47:55 PM

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I've read it at least a dozen times. Is Jay Wiseman the only authority on breath play on the entire planet? Every single thread I have seen about breath play... his widely crossposted article is cited but it is the only one I have ever seen cited. I count three times in this thread alone.

Nobody touched my automobile analogy. No surprise there.

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RE: breathplay - 7/21/2008 3:06:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: BKSir

I agree that you have your right to your fetish, to breath play if that happens to be it. Face it, we're all freaks here in our own ways. But they all make very good points on why not to do it. I'm personally against it as well. I've tried it, it is quite a rush, I won't deny that. But for me, it wasn't worth the risks involved.

That being said, I'm surprised that no one mentioned, IF you're going to do so, it would be a very very wise idea to take first aid and cpr courses, and require the same from the ones you're going to be engaging in this practice with. Also, have your phone/cell phone RIGHT THERE at all times, within arms reach, know exactly where it is.

No, even then, it's not safe, you can't let your guard down in this for a second. But, with being prepared for circumstances in these ways, is always good. It's better to have the minor safety nets like that and not need them, than it is to need them and not have them.

Please, be careful.

and your lawyers number you may need that too.

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