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MasterFireMaam -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 7:37:02 PM)

If she is married, she CANNOT be claimed as a domestic partner on another's insurance. If the Dom wants to be financially responsible, I suggest he pay their medical insurance premium.

Master Fire




lovingpet -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 7:41:58 PM)

That is how they understood it to be as well, which is what started the whole discussion.  I agree, if they must do this, they should keep hubby's insurance.  Then starts the nonsense about His property, His child, His insurance....

Hello Reality check guys!!!  (knocking their three heads together)  But thanks everyone for confirming what I suspected.

lovingpet





sinstech -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 7:43:30 PM)

RedMagic1,

From personal experience. Had a friend drop his wife from his insurance policy and he had to wait until the next enrollment period to cover her again. As far as the Dominant is concerned, know of single father who have covered their girlfriend pregnacy through his policy. The insurance covered all care needed to the mother that was related to the pregnacy up until the baby was born. She was not covered after that.




LPslittleclip -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 7:47:46 PM)

my sujestion would be to have the doms inshurance be the primary and let the other be secondary. otherwise DONT DROP INSURANCE.




lovingpet -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 7:53:02 PM)

Can they actually do that?  I assumed she could not be a spouse and a DP under two different policies.  Further, wouldn't hubby's have to remain primary?

Thanks so much,
lovingpet




Wildfleurs -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 7:58:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I recently ran across an interesting situation and wanted others' input.  A submissive married to a vanilla, but obscenely understanding man, agreed along with the knowledge of her husband to become pregnant by her dominant.  This had been something the dominant and she had wanted for some time.  The dominant also wanted the full financial responsibility to fall on him.  Her husband has medical insurance on her, but the dominant wants her to be dropped from that plan for the duration of the pregnancy and placed on his insurance, which does cover domestic partners of both genders.  She has pre existing conditions, so the new insurance would likely not cover these items.  Further, she would start from square one when she returned to her husband's plan.

My question lies in how they could recify this situation and still meet the burden of obligation her dominant wishes to carry.  I have given some ideas, but would like input.  Kind input only please.  I know this arrangement would not be everyone's cup of tea.  I have my own misgivings.  Have fun!

lovingpet   


I know you asked for only kind comments... but seriously he wants to take responsibility for his illegitimate child? Well I guess he just deserves a cookie... wow what a hero!

I think if he really wants to help (as opposed to just paying lip service and doing what is convenient for him) he should use his health insurance as a secondary backup just in case her husbands doesn't fully cover all the possible procedures or may allow her an extra day or two in the hospital after giving birth. Also at least in Connecticut they have something called the CT Higher Education Trust Fund savings program (http://www.aboutchet.com/) - he should start automatically diverting a percentage of his funds towards a college savings program for the child. Also, adjusting his will and life insurance would be a nice thing as well. Not to mention all the shit you have to buy for the baby and setting up a room - he really should be saving up money just to be able to throw in a couple of grand in the first year to help cover expenses (not to mention the subsequent years as the child grows up).

C~




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:01:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs
I know you asked for only kind comments... but seriously he wants to take responsibility for his illegitimate child? Well I guess he just deserves a cookie... wow what a hero!

Hee hee Fleurs, read my post :)




Wildfleurs -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:04:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

LOL I like how the dom "wants" to become financially responsible.  How sweet- he CHOOSES to have a child and then feels it's a choice whether he actually takes full responsibility for it. 



See this is exactly why I shoulda read your post first!

C~




SinSoap -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:08:27 PM)

(ranting)

quote:

Then starts the nonsense about His property, His child, His insurance....


Ehhhh why procreate with him if he's already acting like a difficult nonsensical person?!

If they can't agree on INSURANCE... how shall they agree on child-related issues?? Does he expect to just "dominate" child rearing???

This- honestly- makes me ill.

This child is a FREE person. A Minor. Why drag someone else into that. Why not just say NO and make him wait to find his own brood mule.

Bleh

(rant over)

Hm. Seems obviously wise to have her ensure her own safety and long term commitments to stay with her present insurance carrier.

Someone whom ~I~ would accept procreating with: would respect my need to ensure my long term health and safety. They wouldn't argue about it in a petty, insecure, nonsensical manner.

Once a wise police offer said this to me: "Everyday I see people do the unimaginable, the thing that their closest loved ones find impossible to fathom. They do things completly out of character." And he's right. Have you cautioned her on this point? What if this person changes for the worst and she's roped into him, baby and all. My best friend wishes her left leg she could turn back the clock and not procreate with the father of her child. Its a lifetime link, why involve this innocent person in all that kink??? (okay, I guess that rant wasn't completely over! [&:])




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:08:35 PM)

I wonder if it's a generational thing?  Assuming that ALL participants in breeding automatically accept the responsibilities for the entire raising process?




BlueEyedSubinDE -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:12:27 PM)

While I work for an insurance company, there are just too many policy specific rules to offer advice of any value. 

I will say in general, it is no easy thing to get a domestic partner insured.  There usually has to be evidence that the couple has lived together for a period of time.  And when there is a domestic partner option it is usually reserved for same sex relationships.  It's not a simple matter of just filling out the form.  I know with some companies, a "private confidential discussion with a Human Resources Representative" is part of the process. 

Also, there are specific times and conditions when a person can be added to a policy, usually things considered "life changing"  marriage, birth, adoption etc.  If it isn't a life changing event, then most policies state a change or addition can only be done once a year during open enrollment.  Also, future premiums are based on current use.  Depending on the size of the company the Dominant works for, a pregnancy could have a measurable dollar impact on future premiums.   

Finally, if the Dominant wants to be financially responsible for the pregnancy, he can pay the bills himself.  Just because you have insurance, doesn't mean you have to use it. 





StrangerThan -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:25:35 PM)

I've never known insurance to be that flexible, meaning, add and drop as you please. It generally has to follow some... there's a PC name for it, but life altering event - marriage, death, divorce, something along those lines. Otherwise it's generally a once a year sign up thing.

SSC. Safe, sane, consensual. The only piece to this puzzle that can't consent is the unborn child, who must rely on sane adults to what is best for it. Moving to another insurance just because Dom wants to feel financially responsible, but which will not cover the mother as well as the existing insurance doesn't sound too responsible. It sounds more like a power trip.

Then again, it doesn't sound like there's a whole lot of sanity in this situation.




Racquelle -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:25:59 PM)

This sounds like a decision undertaken by people who are not astute financial planners, and my guess is - have also not read the terms of any of the insurance policies they now hold or hope to hold.  In terms of insuance coverage, "spouse" is a term defined by one's legal status as recognized by the state, while "domestic partner" is a term defined in whatever manner the insurer and/or employer chooses.  I worked for a large company that insituted domestic partner insurance about 8 years ago - they would cover only domestic partners of the same gender.  As I had one of opposite gender, I was s.o.l.  They asked me "why don't you just marry him?" I smiled and said "I am already married."  The issue of this dom, sub and cuckold aside, I am interested to see how concepts of "family" evolve, and how our insitutions begin to address it.




smilingjaguar -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:35:09 PM)

If I'm not mistaken, since she's already pregnant the vast majority of insurance companies will not cover the pregnancy if she switches.  It's best all around for the dom to pay for the out of pocket and be happy with that.




lovingpet -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:41:20 PM)

Thanks to all who posted with insight into this odd situation.

lovingpet




BitaTruble -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:42:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I recently ran across an interesting situation and wanted others' input.  A submissive married to a vanilla, but obscenely understanding man, agreed along with the knowledge of her husband to become pregnant by her dominant.  This had been something the dominant and she had wanted for some time.  The dominant also wanted the full financial responsibility to fall on him.  Her husband has medical insurance on her, but the dominant wants her to be dropped from that plan for the duration of the pregnancy and placed on his insurance, which does cover domestic partners of both genders.  She has pre existing conditions, so the new insurance would likely not cover these items.  Further, she would start from square one when she returned to her husband's plan.

My question lies in how they could recify this situation and still meet the burden of obligation her dominant wishes to carry.  I have given some ideas, but would like input.  Kind input only please.  I know this arrangement would not be everyone's cup of tea.  I have my own misgivings.  Have fun!

lovingpet   



The dominant can purchase her an individual, private policy or even a policy which is specific to pregnancy. Since her current insurance is as a spouse, the individual policy will take over as the primary insurance and the spousal policy will drop into secondary status. Pregnancy is 'not' considered a pre-existing condition and insurance companies are disallowed by federal law to treat it as such (and have been since 1998). Pre-existing conditions which will not be covered under a new policy or which may have up to an 18 month wait period are things like kidney, heart and lung transplants, diabetis, and other chronic illness. Check her state for complete listings of pre-existing conditions to see if her conditions are listed or are cause for denial of private coverage. Anything that does happen to be denied should still be picked up by the secondary insurance. When the pregnancy ends, drop the private insurance and she'll go back to spousal insurance as the primary.

Also, even if the spousal insurance is dropped completely in favor of a private insurance policy, life change events are sufficient reason to be added to someone's policy and losing insurance, birth of a child, marriage etc. are all considered life change events and all would be accepted as reasons to go back on her husbands insurance when the event occurs. As soon as the private insurance is lost/dropped, she can go back on the husbands policy and still be credited for having continual insurance as she can't be denied group coverage. Most insurance will terminate end of month and the new insurance would take effect the first day after the loss of coverage so there is no lapse.

If she has a pre-existing condition which is listed in her state, dropping her current coverage is a mistake as she may be unable to get private insurance. Group coverage can't be denied, but private coverage can be (depends on the state) so she needs to check before making a blunder and she needs to make sure that the new insurance is purchased before the old insurance is terminated.

Some other things: I'd recommend having a DNA test for paternity so it's in writing and make sure the correct father is put on the birth certificate (check out the laws for knowingly giving false information on a birth certificate). That will ensure the dominant will be obligated, exactly as he desires, to be financially responsible.

I used to teach HIPAA classes to insurance companies, but, you have no idea if what I've said is true or not, so please, have your friend do her homework (or the dominant do his) and don't take the word of anyone online regarding such a delicate matter.





RedMagic1 -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 8:52:29 PM)

With respect, Celeste, there is a difference between the law and the application of the law.  She's describing a situation with people who are insurance-ignorant and insurance-confused.  I encountered the situation several times where I called to say the exact same thing someone had been saying to the adjustor/representative, and I achieved the objective for no reasons other than (1) I sounded college educated, (2) I spoke English as a first language, and (3) I always included that I was a volunteer for organization X, so the person on the other end of the line knew there were some resources backing the people up.

I certainly don't disagree with anything you wrote.  But I think a policy of "Know your rights, and cause as few ripples as possible," is a good one, unless you want to "prove" you were right by spending time in court.




CalifChick -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/22/2008 9:57:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Some other things: I'd recommend having a DNA test for paternity so it's in writing and make sure the correct father is put on the birth certificate (check out the laws for knowingly giving false information on a birth certificate). That will ensure the dominant will be obligated, exactly as he desires, to be financially responsible.


The only thing I have to add to Celeste's excellent post is that in some states, if the parents are married, there is NO CHOICE on who is named the father.  A DNA test will be irrelevant for financial responsibility.  I used to be very active on a divorce board that dealt with this alot.  I thought the person who said it just HAD to be wrong, because it seemed so stupid, but it was true.

Cali




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/23/2008 3:33:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

i do not know something about this feels totally fucked up  

yep

i'm with others who said "don't change insurance" - too much confusion that would give any insurance agent a major migraine.




CelticPrince -> RE: Pregnant Sub.... Responsible Dom (7/23/2008 3:47:41 AM)

quote:

My question lies in how they could recify this situation and still meet the burden of obligation her dominant wishes to carry. I have given some ideas, but would like input. Kind input only please. I know this arrangement would not be everyone's cup of tea. I have my own misgivings. Have fun!


pet,

DO NOT DO IT

CP




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