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ElanSubdued -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 10:36:11 AM)

boyforforcedbi,

Although I'm not a Domina, I'll give you some feedback on your story.  To me, this comes across in a submissive-focused way.  If you shared this with a Domina you already have chemistry with and who you know enjoys these types of kinks, it might well be very appreciated.  However, when putting this out into the general "Ask A Mistress" forum, it comes across as simply fantasies that turn you on, especially given your handle (boyforforcedbi).  There is nothing wrong with having fantasies that turn you on.  That said, posting long, detailed fantasies in a forum like this is a risky thing to do.  Dominas get oodles of unsolicited mail like this everyday so it's not likely that posting a story of this ilk is going to be well received.  You obviously put some time into your writing and I think we all appreciate that.  The oxymoron here is that if you establish yourself in this forum a bit by participating in more intellectual debate, make some friends, and then post a story like this, it will probably be much better received.  Keep in mind though that regardless of how well established you are in an online, BDSM community, it's generally considered bad manners to post long, detailed descriptions of your kinks.  In certain "asking for advice" scenarios this is okay, but generally it comes across rudely.

Welcome to the forums boyforforcedbi, :-)

Elan.




LadyLou -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 10:36:42 AM)

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I will never understand how a lot of women out there will be offended by words like "cunt" or "slut"


Well you seem to be offended by the male equivalent in the examples you gave, just reverse the roles, and you should gain some insight.


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but it seems perfectly acceptable for most of these same women to call men "dickheads" or "pigs".



I don’t think she called anyone that.


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The word "dickhead" is socially acceptable and so many women use it.


It’s not in my world.


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But what else is new? women have a double standard for just about everything.


Do you have evidence that this assumption is purely attributed to one gender? If so, I would genuinely quite like to see it. I get your post was supposed to be domme bait, but seriously… dude, you gotta come up with something better than that load of old tripe, lol. [;)]

Work on improving your argument strategy lol [;)]








Coupleofwhats -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 10:53:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81
I will never understand how a lot of women out there will be offended by words like "cunt" or "slut" but it seems perfectly acceptable for most of these same women to call men "dickheads" or "pigs". The word "dickhead" is socially acceptable and so many women use it. Likewise the word "pig" when a man thinks about sex different to women. But what else is new? women have a double standard for just about everything.


Actually, I never said anything about substituting "cunt" and "slut" for "dickhead" and "pig." I don't find any of those terms socially acceptable. Or sexy.

But I think the fact that we were just all shown a story using a liberal dash of negative words meant to describe women and their sexual parts proves that there's something of a problem in the scene in regard to casually equating females with inferiority.

You don't hear men calling women "dickhead" in order to make them feel diminished. The difference is that calling men names meant for men is rude and crass: calling men names meant for women comes from a destructive and sexist ideology.

In other words, there's something a lot more sinister than just name-calling going on.
Get it?




Missokyst -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 1:41:44 PM)

I am not a mistress, but as a casual observer, I would encourage you to accept the gay side.  Once you are ok with who you are inside, you won't need some female to "force you".  Taking out the middleman will make things connect more smoothly.
This was a fantasy for men who want men.  I didn't see any benefit to the supposed dominant other than to win a bet.  It sort of suggests that the only thing that is making her wet is the cash.  Oddly enough, many women enjoy the men in their lives.
You should try it.
*ever helpful*
Kyst




LadyPact -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 6:14:28 PM)

LOL.  I was wondering why this post had received so many replies.  I guess what they say is true.  Through enough "manure" out there and eventually, something will grow.






bottomboy81 -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 7:38:52 PM)

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MissEnchanted that would need to be one hell of a therapist!....For myself I read the ask a Mistress thread for the exact reasons you cited,and I can truthfully say as I read the responses from Dommes on this thread...I become more and more impressed with the majority of the Woman who post here...from a sane submissive I thank each and everyone of You


Well good for you buddy, I am glad that I have differences that are able to see through the bull shit towards a lot of dommes on here. I am not labelling all.

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ahhh... luckily, I don't live in yours


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I was thinking the exact same thing.


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I am not sure where your from but it's not acceptable where I hang out.


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You can't count cheesy femdom porns... which I think is where you are getting all of your views from


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Because he hangs out in Another World, not ours!


Bingo! to the last one.

If you’re a lifestyler, hang around domme friends, or basically a politically correct woman or male (particularly sub), of course denial will only be a river in Egypt in your world.

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If you find it truly abhorrent, then why do you visit it on a consistent basis? You must be a glutton for punishment. Personally, I find your passive-aggressive behavior amusing as you're too ignorant to be taken seriously


I am here for someone like most or all of us. But not most women in this forum or not a hardcore lifestyler.

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To the Ladies? Employ that Hide feature and he will cease to have any power over your reading preferences. Some HNG's can't be reasoned with and you only demean yourselves by attempting to correct whatever piss poor upbringing shaped them into the master baiters/masturbaters they've grown into


I know its hard to handle the truth : P

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however his posts are showing up all over the Ask a Mistress threads


Holy moly, all over? I am too lazy to look at my history at the moment but I think I have only been in a few threads in the past few weeks. How many threads are there?

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From hundreds and hundreds of self-serving, horny little geeks


So what are you trying to say? If you’re a bottom and not a lifesyler, it means you are self serving?

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Oh contraire.  There are women who I call nasty names because I *like* them.  This is, of course, limited to women where this type of repartee works mutually between us.


That’s in the BDSM world which is mostly behind doors. I am talking about the real world. Work, vanilla social gatherings.

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By the way, I looked at your profile.  Nobody here will take you seriously with the attitude and negativity you're displaying.


From a serious lifestyler POV, that would be the case. But most people who are switch or just basically bottoms or tops may see it in a different light. I am here and I put my self out there but I am not trying hard at the same time. I pretty much get straight to the point before having any involvement what so ever with a person. You have to admit that many dommes on this site try to put it over subs just because they are dommes. Meaning, they expect every sub to speak to them in a submissive manner which is a similar or same manner as of such in a commitment when there is no commitment or attachment what so ever.

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There are some really nice dominants and submissives in this forum.


Not going to disagree with that.

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If you're truly looking to meet someone, in my opinion, you make a far better impression stating who you are and what you're looking for in a positive, respectful way.  Leave out the pessimism and negativity.  Negativity wears poorly on everyone.


Then there is the hidden question, what created the negative outlook the first place? Maybe it took negativity from women to create negativity in this case.

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Well you seem to be offended by the male equivalent in the examples you gave, just reverse the roles, and you should gain some insight.


I am pointing out that women are negative towards “cunt” “slut” the first place but don’t seem to have the same insight towards “dickhead” “pig”. If women didn’t get offended by the words “cunt” “slut” I wouldn’t have a need to make a complaint about their shameless hypocritical two faced bigoted behaviour.

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I don’t think she called anyone that.


No she didn’t but I don’t particularly mean her. That aside, when you are judging every minute, hour, and day of her life, it may be a different story. You have to be blind if you can’t see the shameless hypocrisy amongst a lot of women out there when it comes to this situation. Not just some or a few.

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Do you have evidence that this assumption is purely attributed to one gender? If so, I would genuinely quite like to see it. I get your post was supposed to be domme bait, but seriously… dude, you gotta come up with something better than that load of old tripe, lol.


I was being half sarcastic but I do believe a lot of women have a double standard system going on. They may not see it this way. I may see it as a self serving bias.

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Actually, I never said anything about substituting "cunt" and "slut" for "dickhead" and "pig." I don't find any of those terms socially acceptable. Or sexy.


Good for you

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But I think the fact that we were just all shown a story using a liberal dash of negative words meant to describe women and their sexual parts proves that there's something of a problem in the scene in regard to casually equating females with inferiority.


Maybe that is true, I am not convinced either way. But the way a lot of women have spoken about the penis, even to me and not in a group conversation. Like comments such as “those pathetic things”… “pathetic things” or penises? You have to be in total denial if you have not heard this figure of speech in your whole life.

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You don't hear men calling women "dickhead" in order to make them feel diminished.


That’s because the word “dickhead” only discriminates men. What do you think it means?

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The difference is that calling men names meant for men is rude and crass: calling men names meant for women comes from a destructive and sexist ideology.


Bigotry is rude and crass and a sexist ideology when you think about it. Such as having a different view on naming calling towards men compared to name calling towards women. Why is it ONLY rude and crass and NOT a destructive sexist ideology when name calling is pointed towards men?











RedMagic1 -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 7:47:30 PM)

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slvemike4u -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 9:01:16 PM)

Hey sparky just for kicks let me know how your doing with the whole sullen/bitter bottom type thing you got going on...getting a lot of "action"are you....




ModeratorEleven -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 9:16:17 PM)

Ok kids, don't make me stop this internet...

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undergroundsea -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/24/2008 9:30:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I would encourage you to accept the gay side.


In my opinion, not everyone who wants forced-bi is supressing homosexuality and looking for an excuse to partake in it.

Incidentally, the subject line keeps throwing me off with both words Wonder and Domme in it ;-)

Cheers,

Sea




Bella1965 -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 7:36:46 AM)

G'morning all:


Busy lil bee aren't you? [8|]

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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81I know its hard to handle the truth : P


*Your* version of truth doesn't hold the same for all. Remember that. Your definitions of "hardcore lifestyler" will not equate with everyone else's. Some people don't even play with toys, nor as viciously as I do. Does that mean I look down my nose at them? No. Just means their kinks may not be my kinks. Simple.

Having perused your profile, I see a great deal of bitterness towards women. Perhaps it's not the females' fault, but your own. I imagine that brand of negativity will earn you truckloads of email from female dominants just panting to provide you with free scenes. [8|] Certainly your performance here has earned you their eternal gratitude for vasectomy procedures.

As to the OP? It's wank material, nothing more or less. How you've objectified women into rationalization for your homo-erotic fantasies to absolve you of any responsibility for your own emotions is lame and trite. 


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...


[:D]


Bella




TwoNYCDommes -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 7:43:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea
In my opinion, not everyone who wants forced-bi is supressing homosexuality and looking for an excuse to partake in it.

I agree.

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ORIGINAL: Bella1965
How you've objectified women into rationalization for your homo-erotic fantasies to absolve you of any responsibility for your own emotions is lame and trite. 

The other men in the story are as objectified as the domme, if not more so.




bottomboy81 -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 7:54:56 AM)

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vasectomy procedures.
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ORIGINAL: Bella1965

G'morning all:


Busy lil bee aren't you? [8|]

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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81I know its hard to handle the truth : P


*Your* version of truth doesn't hold the same for all. Remember that. Your definitions of "hardcore lifestyler" will not equate with everyone else's. Some people don't even play with toys, nor as viciously as I do. Does that mean I look down my nose at them? No. Just means their kinks may not be my kinks. Simple.

Having perused your profile, I see a great deal of bitterness towards women. Perhaps it's not the females' fault, but your own. I imagine that brand of negativity will earn you truckloads of email from female dominants just panting to provide you with free scenes. [8|] Certainly your performance here has earned you their eternal gratitude for vasectomy procedures.


eternal gratitude for vasectomy procedures? You must be smoking some weird shit. Anyone who wants this done to a person just because they disagree with their opinions is a schizophrenic. Just imagine if the tables were turned and a man suggested mutilating women’s private parts over disagreeing with opinions or for any reason that exist? He would be a bad women hater that all women should run away from. [:D]




TwoNYCDommes -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 8:39:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
As in real life "forced" bi scenes, the Domme seems mostly superfluous: randomly injected, in an attempt to make it "not queer."

Whenever someone expresses that opinion, I wonder about the breadth of their experience with "forced bi scenes."  It seems somewhat (though still not entirely) reasonable for one to draw that conclusion if one's knowledge is based solely on boys who fantasize about "forced bi," and they've never imagined it done in any other context.  However, as with most BDSM activities, while some engage in such because they enjoy the activity in and of itself, others derive their enjoyment exclusively from the "forced" aspect, and still others do not enjoy it at all (nor fantasize about it) but simply submit.  It always surprises me how many people have no trouble understanding a non-masochistic submissive's willingness to undergo pain to please their dom(me), but cannot understand a straight submissive's willingness to engage in activities with MSS for the same reason. 
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyLou

As for my thoughts on the OP; I am really not sure what most women are suppose to get out of being some kind of enabling vessel to deep seated homosexual urges in a man *they* supposedly desire, and want for themselves. I know there are a few women into it, but they are pretty sparse compared to those men who are into ‘forced’ bi.

Actually, while I find "forced bi" to be most entertaining when at least one of the boys is unwilling, I also enjoy acting as facilitator (even procuress) for willing partners.  I am both poly and a (sometimes quite active) voyeur.




MzMia -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 8:46:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TwoNYCDommes

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
As in real life "forced" bi scenes, the Domme seems mostly superfluous: randomly injected, in an attempt to make it "not queer."

Whenever someone expresses that opinion, I wonder about the breadth of their experience with "forced bi scenes."  It seems somewhat (though still not entirely) reasonable for one to draw that conclusion if one's knowledge is based solely on boys who fantasize about "forced bi," and they've never imagined it done in any other context.  However, as with most BDSM activities, while some engage in such because they enjoy the activity in and of itself, others derive their enjoyment exclusively from the "forced" aspect, and still others do not enjoy it at all (nor fantasize about it) but simply submit.  It always surprises me how many people have no trouble understanding a non-masochistic submissive's willingness to undergo pain to please their dom(me), but cannot understand a straight submissive's willingness to engage in activities with MSS for the same reason. 
 
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ORIGINAL: LadyLou

As for my thoughts on the OP; I am really not sure what most women are suppose to get out of being some kind of enabling vessel to deep seated homosexual urges in a man *they* supposedly desire, and want for themselves. I know there are a few women into it, but they are pretty sparse compared to those men who are into ‘forced’ bi.

Actually, while I find "forced bi" to be most entertaining when at least one of the boys is unwilling, I also enjoy acting as facilitator (even procuress) for willing partners.  I am both poly and a (sometimes quite active) voyeur.


[sm=applause.gif] Now this is an answer I admire.
I am glad to see a Dominant admit that there is a difference between a boy that is unwilling,   
and boys that need/ are seeking "facilitators" for their desires to come true.
From now on, I will certainly use the term "facilitator" for the MANY that want/or are actively seeking a woman to help them to be forced bi.[;)]




Missokyst -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 9:01:02 AM)

My response was more to do with what I see as his attitude toward women, rather than his desire for multiple cocks in various oriffices.  In the story that dominant is clearly only out to win a bet.  She is simply the means for him to get what he wants. For that matter, the men are simply cocks.  I am not seeing a great need for women in this picture.  But on further thought, the men are equally diminished.  If a person doesnt like men and doesnt like women, what is left?
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I would encourage you to accept the gay side.


In my opinion, not everyone who wants forced-bi is supressing homosexuality and looking for an excuse to partake in it.

Incidentally, the subject line keeps throwing me off with both words Wonder and Domme in it ;-)

Cheers,

Sea




MzMia -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 9:02:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

My response was more to do with what I see as his attitude toward women, rather than his desire for multiple cocks in various oriffices.  In the story that dominant is clearly only out to win a bet.  She is simply the means for him to get what he wants. I am not seeing a great need for women in this picture.
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I would encourage you to accept the gay side.


In my opinion, not everyone who wants forced-bi is supressing homosexuality and looking for an excuse to partake in it.

Incidentally, the subject line keeps throwing me off with both words Wonder and Domme in it ;-)

Cheers,

Sea



Hello Kyst!
There is a need!  There is a need for the woman to "facilitate" procuring the men so he can be "forced" bi!
[:D]




Missokyst -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 9:05:42 AM)

I think you are right.  One is a facillitator, and the poor men are just objects.
now I feel sad.
Kyst




pixelslave -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 9:58:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I think you are right.  One is a facillitator, and the poor men are just objects.
now I feel sad.
Kyst


I think it goes beyond that.  The men aren't just objects, they're phalluses!  Just as women are often seen as a pair of breasts, or a nice "booty", these men are seen by the measure of their girth and length! [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]
 
 - pixel
 




pixelslave -> RE: Wonder what a Domme thinks of this story (7/25/2008 10:07:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

There are some who just like to stir up trouble and will get on any thread they can and bash women.  I think he is rather talented.  Knowing what all women think and how they speak.  I have never in my life called anyone, man or woman a dickhead or a pig... but what do I know... I am just one of those women! lol


Ms Lockit,
Please know Ma'am that there are men who feel the same.  I have two female UM's and I wouldn't tolerate this attitude or kind of language in my place at all of myself, my UM's or by those who would visit my home!  I see no reason for it and feel it shows only disrespect for others as human beings of any gender or orientation; objectifying and demeaning them as body parts instead of treating them as the unique individuals they really are. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]
 
 - pixel
 





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