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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Not so rediculous, take a look at some of the bills that were written during the Clinton years... thank god none of them made it to his desk.

There was at least one that did exactly what I described, banned all ammo capable of piercing body armor.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Not so rediculous, take a look at some of the bills that were written during the Clinton years... thank god none of them made it to his desk.

There was at least one that did exactly what I described, banned all ammo capable of piercing body armor.

And your objection is the inevtable classification of a Polo golf shirt as body armor....and  you do not see the comedic value in such a position...

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Not so rediculous, take a look at some of the bills that were written during the Clinton years... thank god none of them made it to his desk.

There was at least one that did exactly what I described, banned all ammo capable of piercing body armor.

And your objection is the inevtable classification of a Polo golf shirt as body armor....and  you do not see the comedic value in such a position...

I do see the comedy in it.  Even if you don't change the definition of body armor... you do realize that virtually all rifle ammunition used for hunting would fall under that label?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Thadius I am not under the impression that anything will ever be done with rifles suitable for hunting.What I would have issue with are automatic weapons and handguns...that and supplying deer with body armor and I will be tickled ...

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President Clinton today proposed a new Federal ban on all armor-piercing bullets, whatever they are made of.
The proposal on bullets, virtually identical to a bill introduced by Representative Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of Brooklyn, would have little immediate effect, since Treasury officials acknowledge there is no such handgun ammunition now on the market.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


WTF are you hunting with? FMJ might be typed as AP but its not a terribly good hunting round anyway.

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http://www.sportsmenforclinton.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=31 

Second, if the Attorney General were to choose type IIA armor as the bill expects, current, popular firearms and their ammunition would become illegal to own. Among them is any handgun more powerful than the .40 S&W. Then you enter a gray area. Any .223 handgun would be illegal, as would its ammuntion. But, a .223 rifle would be legal to own. But again, the ammuntion would be illegal.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You raise interesting questions Thadius,the most interesting aspect of the whole conversation is that we are having it.Most on your side of the question would have just wrapped themselves in their interpretation of the 2nd amendment and refused to discuss the point,claiming as they are wont to do that the 2nd means "unfettered" in all its glory.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And Thadius if nothing is done who explains it to the parents of the children yet to die.I am fully aware that all tragedy's can not be averted,but my skin crawls when the argument is put forth that the answer to incidents like Virginia Tech is more guns on campus.How many national tragedy's before some attempt is made to remedy this situation...I don't have the answers,hell I don't even know all the right questions...all I know is far too many of our fellow citizens fall in front of these weapons..

According to Bridges, at the first sound of gunfire, he and fellow student Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to fetch their personal owned firearms.[6] Gross, a police officer with the Grifton Police Department in his home state of North Carolina, retrieved a 9 mm pistol and body armor.[7] Bridges, a county sheriff's deputy from Asheville, N.C.,[8] pulled his .357 Magnum pistol from beneath the driver's seat of his Chevrolet Tahoe. As Bridges later told the Richmond Times Dispatch, he was prepared to shoot to kill.[9] Bridges and Gross approached Odighizuwa from different angles, with Bridges yelling at Odighizuwa to drop his gun.[10] Odighizuwa then dropped his firearm and was subdued by several other unarmed students, including Ted Besen and Todd Ross.[11]

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

This kind of shit seems to occur every couple of months or so. It sucks, but it's an obvious consequence of a liberal gun policy. *Shrug*. I'm getting jaded, not out of being cruel, but out of the lack of action over what, to me, would be an obvious start to a solution to this problem: at least, regulate and monitor gun ownership a little bit more. 

Not to get off track, but do you honestly believe that even if we were able to remove all legally owned guns from the world, that gun violence would end?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And Thadius if nothing is done who explains it to the parents of the children yet to die.I am fully aware that all tragedy's can not be averted,but my skin crawls when the argument is put forth that the answer to incidents like Virginia Tech is more guns on campus.How many national tragedy's before some attempt is made to remedy this situation...I don't have the answers,hell I don't even know all the right questions...all I know is far too many of our fellow citizens fall in front of these weapons..

You don't have the answers because you are letting your emotions get in the way of seeing clearly. I'm not dissing you for it. It's an understandable human emotion, especially if you have had personal experiences which you find troubling.

However, as I said before, anecdotal experiences shouldn't be the basis for the resolution of the problem.

I do believe that more guns on the U of VT campus would have prevented many deaths.

Every hear of the Appalachian School of Law shooting?

According to Bridges, at the first sound of gunfire, he and fellow student Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to fetch their personal owned firearms.[6] Gross, a police officer with the Grifton Police Department in his home state of North Carolina, retrieved a 9 mm pistol and body armor.[7] Bridges, a county sheriff's deputy from Asheville, N.C.,[8] pulled his .357 Magnum pistol from beneath the driver's seat of his Chevrolet Tahoe. As Bridges later told the Richmond Times Dispatch, he was prepared to shoot to kill.[9] Bridges and Gross approached Odighizuwa from different angles, with Bridges yelling at Odighizuwa to drop his gun.[10] Odighizuwa then dropped his firearm and was subdued by several other unarmed students, including Ted Besen and Todd Ross.[11]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I take your point Al,but the fact remains ,media creation or not,manufactured or not, it is a problem and just the most visible...work place shootings are part of the conversation too.The fact is one well armed unhinged individual all too often can all too easily cut a path thru a building leaving dead bodies in his wake. I for one am tired of hearing nothing can be done to address this issue.If that makes me a hand wringer so be it,,,

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I take your point Al,but the fact remains ,media creation or not,manufactured or not, it is a problem and just the most visible...work place shootings are part of the conversation too.The fact is one well armed unhinged individual all too often can all too easily cut a path thru a building leaving dead bodies in his wake. I for one am tired of hearing nothing can be done to address this issue.If that makes me a hand wringer so be it,,,

Oh, things can be done (note that I did not say easy things) to address the current situation regarding violence in society...that doesn't mean that we should let the people (media and politicians) who made the current situation worse, ignore those solutions, and carry their agendas into more irrational, unworkable policies.