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Gwynvyd -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 3:19:56 PM)
Oh geez... well I will comment on to carry guns and to outlaw guns in another posting... But, as many of you know I am a committed UU person, and a lay minister for our church. This coming Sunday I have a sermon planned on Forgiveness. ~ Part of it is getting re-written to include bits about this event. As my fellow UU'ers have pointed out inperson, emails, and on the phone.. ~even if we had guns, sitting in the pews we still most likely would not have opened fire. ~ too risky with all the children, and the whole main tennant of our faith is "Believing in the inherent worth and dignity of every person " Our church covenant is: Love is the Spirit of this church, And service its law. This is our great covenant: To dwell together in peace; To seek the truth in love; And to help one another. I think it was well dealt with in our faith http://www.uua.org/news/newssubmissions/117445.shtml Here is an e-mail I just recieved. Fellow admins, I just caught up with the listserv, and I want to thank you for the expressions of support, the vigils, etc. I was in the sanctuary very near the line of fire (15-20 feet away from a 12 gauge shotgun), and I am still in shock while simultaneously trying to do my job. I have spent the day dealing with our insurance company (we have "catastrophic violence coverage" -- who'd have thought we'd ever need it), FBI agents (because it was a hate crime), floor cleaning (just found more blood in the hall-- I keep finding it), and more. I guess I should forgo a lengthy description here, but know that the UUA trauma team is on the job, and everyone has handled things very, very well. The man who was killed, Greg McKendry, was my right-hand guy -- the building and grounds "git er done" guy. He just installed a bunch of energy savings stuff around here -- LED exit signs, motion detector lights, film on the windows -- as well as found me a new chair and filing cabinet and conference table... well, it goes on. I would always say, Greg is my hero! Just that morning, he was telling me all the things he had done over the weekend... He was also a Dave Ramsey afficianado and was going to be Finance Chair next year -- we were both on the same page about all things money. Everything you see on the news about him is true -- it is not retro sainthood. I need to go again, but thank you so much for your support. Keep it coming. We have a long road ahead. Jenny Arthur Director of Administration, TVUUC Knoxville, TN (my 12th year) 515 or so members Please pray for the families who were affected, and for our members feeling so much pain that someone would actualy target us on purpose. Gwyn

Gwynvyd -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 3:31:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Since ther are folks who incite to riot do we limit speach? Yep, we do. I can stand on the courthouse steps and rant about my property taxes til I turn blue and it's okay, but I'm going to jail if I call for folks to storm the assessor's office. There are limits on all of our rights. Gun ownership isn't going to be an exception. Very few people are ever going to be completely satisfied with where the lines are drawn, and a lot of folks will express their opinion about it. There's nothing about that that's new or unique to guns. [sm=agree.gif] humans being the wonderful hell bent creatures that they are need guidlines... on just about everything. That being said there needs to be balance. Should everyone be able to purchase and carry huge assault weapons with armor piercing bullets? um no... only criminals would honestly need something like that. Should we take a page from the UK's book and throw a Granny into jail because she had Knitting needles on her.. and stabbed the punk how was mugging her with them... and she went to jail on a weapons charge? Hell no. But ya know what.. you cant please everybody all the time. This guy was a fruitcake. Thier unpredictable nature is what makes them so damn dangerous. ( Uni. of V anyone? ) More fire power is not the answer.. someone prob. would have shot the kids trying to get this idiot.. banning guns is not the answer.. because that is a civil liberty around here ( in the US) and while yes we are a violent society.. we deserve to protect ourselves... and have them for recreation (hunting) I think tackling the guy and taking the gun from him was the best* option out of all. The man who gave his life for others (Greg McKendry), and shielded them from the shots is no less then a saint in my book. Gwyn

Alumbrado -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 4:50:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Well jeez Al,off the top of my head it occurs to me that in the case of a homicide, forensic scientist's might attempt to match the "ballistics"of weapon to fatal bullit,I seem to have heard such things are possible.The link you provided did not work for me...so I am curious where that would have taken me,perhaps to evidence that fornensic science is in fact a government conspiricy.... Can't say I'm in the least bit interested in what part of your anatomy these 'fantastic' offerings come from....anyone with a passing familiarity with firearms etc. would know that the politician's soundbites about 'ballistic fingerprinting' simply cannot work as advertised...ask a 'forensic scientist' how the patterns from a new gun could remain unchanged to the point of being useful for ID over the life of the weapon... Anyone not conversant in that area (and whose browser 'works' with html) can read the functional link and decide if they want to go with rational analysis of facts, or swallow the effluvia of your imagination instead of thinking for themselves.

Alumbrado -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 4:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs We're cutting the legs out from under the people we're counting on to keep us safe. It's sick and sad. Who are these people you are counting on to keep you safe? Law enforcement officers. That's what we pay them for. No, that's what we pay private security for...and why there are twice as many of them as there are cops in the US. And I would suspect that any LEO who remembered from their training that the US Supreme Court ruled that police have no such duty would disagree with your characterization of 'what we pay them for'.

Gwynvyd -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 5:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs We're cutting the legs out from under the people we're counting on to keep us safe. It's sick and sad. Who are these people you are counting on to keep you safe? Law enforcement officers. That's what we pay them for. No, that's what we pay private security for...and why there are twice as many of them as there are cops in the US. And I would suspect that any LEO who remembered from their training that the US Supreme Court ruled that police have no such duty would disagree with your characterization of 'what we pay them for'. personaly I didnt give a fig what the supreme court said when I was a LEO.. I knew why I took the job.. and why I wanted to do it in the first place. It sure as shit wasnt the paycheck.. or all the thanks the community pours on you.. rolls her eyes You can not hionestly say why any one serves unless you ask them.. and ask them how they feel. For a lot ( at least in my dept...) it was to Serve and Protect. Hell we had it on the damn patrol cars. Jaded people will say otherwise.. and I feel sorry for them. But that is for another thread.. not this one. And Good God knows we have beaten that horse to death and chased down the flies as well. Gwyn

Alumbrado -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 5:29:51 PM)
That's fine... if you became a cop in order to stand around protecting private property and individuals against attackers like a security officer, good for you. Other people have given other reasons for why they do it... adrenalin, sense of duty, putting military background to use, hoping to fight crime, looking for a better paycheck, and so on. You can announce that you feel sorry for them all you wish, I doubt if they need your approval, or that they need to share your vision of being a glorified security guard.

bipolarber -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 7:02:25 PM)
I stand by my right to own a "sportsman's" surface to surface ballistic missile launcher for hunting deer... Those damn animals are dangerous! It's man against nature!

Leatherist -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 7:05:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber I stand by my right to own a "sportsman's" surface to surface ballistic missile launcher for hunting deer... Those damn animals are dangerous! It's man against nature! I prefer claymores. Then I don't have to grind the meat-I'm lazy.

Thadius -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 7:07:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber I stand by my right to own a "sportsman's" surface to surface ballistic missile launcher for hunting deer... Those damn animals are dangerous! It's man against nature! I have to find the video, I know it's out there... Some very bored Marines went hunting deer with an M1A2.... Talk about a hunting platform. [;)]

slvemike4u -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 8:34:32 PM)
luvia quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Well jeez Al,off the top of my head it occurs to me that in the case of a homicide, forensic scientist's might attempt to match the "ballistics"of weapon to fatal bullit,I seem to have heard such things are possible.The link you provided did not work for me...so I am curious where that would have taken me,perhaps to evidence that fornensic science is in fact a government conspiricy.... Can't say I'm in the least bit interested in what part of your anatomy these 'fantastic' offerings come from....anyone with a passing familiarity with firearms etc. would know that the politician's soundbites about 'ballistic fingerprinting' simply cannot work as advertised...ask a 'forensic scientist' how the patterns from a new gun could remain unchanged to the point of being useful for ID over the life of the weapon... Anyone not conversant in that area (and whose browser 'works' with html) can read the functional link and decide if they want to go with rational analysis of facts, or swallow the effluvia of your imagination instead of thinking for themselves. Jeez Al when you refer to the effluvia of my imagination...I almost feel insulted.But knowing the class act you believe yourself to be that just couldn't be so....could it....now to the point at hand ,got a chance to read your link(was a laptop internet signal problem Al not a browser problem)very interesting as it pertains to the "fingerprinting"and given this information I will be more careful about information arising from that part of my anatomy.. Did find the reported number of stolen guns alarming 500,000 legal guns a yr. "transition" to illegal hands ...disturbing to say the least.But that's an argument for another day...I want to thank you for the link Al...and the trip to webster's jeez effluvia....do you actually talk like this are just dig this stuff up to impress the rest of us...effluvia...sure hope I can work that in around the water cooler tomorrow.

Alumbrado -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 8:46:45 PM)
quote: do you actually talk like this Damn straight I do. At my age, I take 'use it or lose it' very seriously in a number of areas, including vocabulary...[:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 8:55:02 PM)
But effluvia Al...I woudn't imagine it comes up much in casual conversation,on the other hand if I found myself in a casual conversation with you...nah I couldn't imagine such a scenario...not of my own volition anyway

kittinSol -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 9:24:08 PM)
"Vagues poissons arqués fleurs surmarines Une nuit c'était la mer Et les fleuves s'y répandaient Je m'en souviens je m'en souviens encore." Apollinaire, éd. extrait de "Voyageur", Alcools, éd. Gallimard 1920.

slvemike4u -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 9:32:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol "Vagues poissons arqués fleurs surmarines Une nuit c'était la mer Et les fleuves s'y répandaient Je m'en souviens je m'en souviens encore." Apollinaire, éd. extrait de "Voyageur", Alcools, éd. Gallimard 1920. Kittin please translate some of us are hopeless....

Alumbrado -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 9:41:00 PM)
She's saying that one man's fish is another man's poisson

slvemike4u -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 9:46:39 PM)
Al this isn't meant as an insult,but it sounded better coming from her

kittinSol -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 9:51:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado She's saying that one man's fish is another man's poisson Iconoclast!

Vendaval -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 10:11:11 PM)
Hang tight, Gwyn. Such lovely words of faith and compassion from the UU. [sm=flowers.gif] [sm=flying.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd the whole main tennant of our faith is "Believing in the inherent worth and dignity of every person " Our church covenant is: Love is the Spirit of this church, And service its law. This is our great covenant: To dwell together in peace; To seek the truth in love; And to help one another.

slvemike4u -> RE: Another church shooting (7/29/2008 10:34:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado She's saying that one man's fish is another man's poisson Iconoclast! See Al ,everything sounds better when she say's it.

MmeGigs -> RE: Another church shooting (7/30/2008 4:03:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer But you do seem to be calling for John Q's guns to be removed because someday he might shoot someone or himself. I said pretty clearly in my first post to this thread that I am not in favor of a ban on guns. I'm also not in favor of unrestricted gun ownership. Hard as it may be for some folks to grasp, those aren't the only two possible positions on this issue.

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